I just think its funny that people categorize us in one group but the only thing we have in common is that we all believe something different.

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Very true. But "Us Vs. Them" is a thematic necessity for many people's sense of self-worth. The "enemy" is much more readily identifiable when a blanket nomenclature can be used -- regardless of accuracy and applicability (or the lack thereof).

The only ones I see playing that them vs us are the unbelievers in Christ. For the most part, we Christians are just sharing our faith & trying to answer questions others have asked.

I know I can get a bit testy when I know people are just being argumentative... occasionally I might take a swipe but other than that, I & other Christians don't get personal.

I think the problem some have is we do quote God's word as it is what we believe. Calling us robots et al is childish cop out excuses that distracts from what is being said. Those things I will challenge. If that makes me a bad person so be it, but that would be like killing the messenger because you don't like the message.

Agnostic as I understand it are people who are not entirely sure. They don't stick to a specific religion because they think the all have merit. My best friend is Agnostic. He figures something is out there, but he doesn't really want to say anything until he knows.

I'm much the same, but I chose Christianity because it just kinda spoke to me I guess... plus family tradition.

That from the one that called me bitter earlier. When the subject matter had nothing to do with Christianity or the such! You are full of ****!

BTW- We hate being called unbelievers, that would be like me calling you the un-thinkers, which I haven't. We have beliefs it just doesn't coincide with yours.

Thank you very much!

Well now that's a thought. Let them call us un-believers and we will call them un-thinkers.

Or how about non-thinkers? I think thats only fair.



No offense to my un-thinking friends.

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that was funny. nice post buffy.

I know I can get a bit testy when I know people are just being argumentative... occasionally I might take a swipe but other than that, I & other Christians don't get personal.

I think the problem some have is we do quote God's word as it is what we believe. Calling us robots et al is childish cop out excuses that distracts from what is being said. Those things I will challenge. If that makes me a bad person so be it, but that would be like killing the messenger because you don't like the message.


The problem is you guys quote scripture, which no one else, except christians, believe is the word of god. 90% of the debates here (jb excluded) are basicly this is fact, because scripture said it is? How is that not childish? How childish is it? well..

"jesus loves me so, because the bible told me so" thats a childish rhym, and is the defense that most use.

The other is, i love you, you skanky bumb! You call people names such as heathens, unbelievers, sinners, satan worshipers, and say they have been lead astray, when ever refering to anyone who doesnt share your beliefs. thats simply not right. Yet its found its way into scripture.

yeah apparently the words are more important than the message behind them to some people?

the words first are what give us christians understanding of Gods nature in Jesus Christ our savior. I would like to say that i have only read one book by an agnostic, betram russel why i am not a Christian. First the book is for Christian and written for them, that the hermenutics of the Christian. It is for everyone to read, but ever since the churchn started the scripture were for christians, look at justin martyr or tertullian, 1st century apologist. I want to say sorry for the spelling. But if someone does not want to hear, they won't and should not be looked down upon for this. I am not saying that they should not be hepled all you can do is pray forn them and hope God works on thier heart. But no can be forced or guilted into beleveing. Two they can find by proof texting any disproof by using the text, because it is not enough to be biblical, but we must have a good hermenutic behind it. Read Sweartly Slaery, Sabbath, Women, and War. He shows this mistake for each side in his book has both good hermenutics and bad. For the simple matter it comes down to faith in God in Jesu Christ. And Jesus told us to love our nieghbor as our selves. We see that this means both saved and unsaved alike. To the sin arugment saying that Christians are saying pointing out people sin, we sin everyone sins (Romans 3:23) for all fall short of the glory of God, which everyone is not perfect. This means we Christians have our fallacies to, and our egos do not like us to point them out. but we should as martian luther said sin boldly, which means not be afriad to let our sin show and ask for forgivness. God gave the Holy spirit to guide us. sorry for going off in tanget but i had to speak my peace.I want to learn more about agnosticism and if someone could give me more books to read, for if many have shown to study my relgion, i have to give someone the same respect to them and find out about theirs, so we can try to start a dialouge. I mean not to say to leave my faith, but learn where they are coming fromn and try seeing from thier point of view.

When I first read the title of this thread, "My fellow agnostics", I thought to myself; That's the same as saying, "My fellow humans".

All humans are necessarily agnostic. To have mere faith in a religion is certainly an agnostic act. The very idea behind faith means to believe in something that you can't be certain of. Thus to even say that you have faith is to confess that you're agnostic. For a person to claim that they have actual knowledge of God is blaspheme.

So the term agnostic is a bit of a misnomer because all humans are ultimately agnostic whether they own up to it or not. The people who actually own up to it are simply the only the ones who can be honest with themselves.

The problem is you guys quote scripture, which no one else, except christians, believe is the word of god. 90% of the debates here (jb excluded) are basicly this is fact, because scripture said it is? How is that not childish? How childish is it? well..

"jesus loves me so, because the bible told me so" thats a childish rhym, and is the defense that most use.

The other is, i love you, you skanky bumb! You call people names such as heathens, unbelievers, sinners, satan worshipers, and say they have been lead astray, when ever refering to anyone who doesnt share your beliefs. thats simply not right. Yet its found its way into scripture.


With a world that is in trouble & hurting & dying because of their lack of knowledge about their Creator & you all want me to believe something that only exists in your mind but you can't live out? Now there's a silly notion.

BTW, those aren't my words but what God has to say about people who don't believe His word is true. Take that up with Him not me. Since I experience life in the spirit & you don't, & I know what I believe is truth & you don't, there is no reason for me to agree with you when you do not line up with God & His word.

You resort to namecalling because you don't know better...that's the bottom line here. Instead of being ignorant try understanding what the will of God is.

With a world that is in trouble & hurting & dying because of their lack of knowledge about their Creator & you all want me to believe something that only exists in your mind but you can't live out? Now there's a silly notion.

BTW, those aren't my words but what God has to say about people who don't believe His word is true. Take that up with Him not me. Since I experience life in the spirit & you don't, & I know what I believe is truth & you don't, there is no reason for me to agree with you when you do not line up with God & His word.

You resort to namecalling because you don't know better...that's the bottom line here. Instead of being ignorant try understanding what the will of God is.


As said before, which I am quite sure you have read! I was a fellow Christian at one point in my life. I know full well, what God's word teaches and I denounce it! I am very well educated in the bible and choose not to believe as many others are versed as well and choose not to believe. Why would you think that ignorance is the cause. Many here believe you are ignorant for your views. As for the namecalling, there's the pot calling the kettle black. If you read this post from beginning to end, I think you will see, that you, my friend were the first to spout out words of distaste towards another on here. Take a bow and step the **** out!

With a world that is in trouble & hurting & dying because of their lack of knowledge about their Creator & you all want me to believe something that only exists in your mind but you can't live out? Now there's a silly notion.

BTW, those aren't my words but what God has to say about people who don't believe His word is true. Take that up with Him not me. Since I experience life in the spirit & you don't, & I know what I believe is truth & you don't, there is no reason for me to agree with you when you do not line up with God & His word.

You resort to namecalling because you don't know better...that's the bottom line here. Instead of being ignorant try understanding what the will of God is.


Prove that the Earth is in trouble because people don't believe in your God.
Last time I heard it was pollution.

Prove that the Earth is in trouble because people don't believe in your God.
Last time I heard it was pollution.


And see, that there is where the difference of perspective comes in. To some people all the things that have been going on lately, The tornadoes killing thousands, the floods destroying cities, The disaster areas being called all over because of natural disasters. To some people that is the wrath of God coming down to smite the evil doers again and signs that God is unhappy.

Whereas I believe that Mother Nature (For lack of a better name) is pissed. She is tired of us taking the earth for granted and polluting and destroying her forests and destroying her earth. So she in turn is destroying back. It's all just a perspective thing anyway. No one will be able to convince me that God is doing this and we won't be able to convince them that God is sitting this one out.

And see, that there is where the difference of perspective comes in. To some people all the things that have been going on lately, The tornadoes killing thousands, the floods destroying cities, The disaster areas being called all over because of natural disasters. To some people that is the wrath of God coming down to smite the evil doers again and signs that God is unhappy.

Whereas I believe that Mother Nature (For lack of a better name) is pissed. She is tired of us taking the earth for granted and polluting and destroying her forests and destroying her earth. So she in turn is destroying back. It's all just a perspective thing anyway. No one will be able to convince me that God is doing this and we won't be able to convince them that God is sitting this one out.


It's this type of "pharoah" thinking that ALWAYS get humanity in trouble.

Pharoah didn't believe God until the last curse being death...fell on his house.

Here's something you didn't think about...

I think God is waiting for His dear beloved prodical children to turn back to Him. Maybe He's slowly trying to get humanity's attention. Yu think?