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i guess it is ok to condemn me for what you think i typed but when clarified and pointed out the misconception in said thoughts
it is ok to ignore that point be well |
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I'm sorry, ADJ is this for me?
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I'm sorry, ADJ is this for me? if you have to ask i do not think so 
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Stand my ground due to my personal experiences. Doesn't add nor take away from anyone's opinion, nor does it make me want to veer from my views. Location is only geography. I try and steer clear of the 'what if's' and trying to decipher what people mean/meant/should/should not say. Much like assumptions 
location isn't just geography...the south is where racism all started and to say it's just geography is a very ignorant statement....what about the people on the paki side of the war and the people on the other side....is their knowledge of how people act in that area just geography or is it fact....everyone acts different depending on where they live that's why we have gangs in one area and not in another....if you're going to talk about how people act in an area then you need to know the history behind it and it's more then just geography ((adj4u)) i didn't condemn you at all...if anything i'm the one getting condemed because i speak what i see and have lived in pretty much my whole life...my family is all from here so i know the history behind what i'm talking about but some people who think they can visit atlanta on vacation think they have seen and heard it all and they don't know crap....i do have an open mind...i've been an army brat and have seen may places and cultures but nothing like what is here in the south...if we didn't have some kind of gun control this place would be covered in blood |
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I'm sorry, ADJ is this for me? if you have to ask i do not think so
If its for me please clarify or specify, I am just coming from another topic elsewhere - lol Please refresh my memory if it is directed at me. Come now I can take it (I hope) 
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look this topic isn't about me or you...it's about the world today and the world today isn't pretty...we fight with anyone who isn't the same race, sex, or religion...it's sad but it's true...i know you think we're all the same cause we're all humans but in todays world it just isn't that simple...sure we all want world peace but the fact is we will never join hands and start a love train it just ain't happening. the point was made a while back about the topic...mlk didn't DO anything, he just had good ideas and planted them in our minds and now they're been shot to hell and back so why does the man need his own holiday? there are alot of others out there that have done greater things and we don't recognize them on holidays if we did the calendar would be full....he has his own day for what cuppy59 said 2 pages ago...to calm ratial tension...now the fact that mccain is white and wants to do away with it makes him look racist and anyone that agrees with him but there wouldn't be all this tension if a black man would've said lets get rid of the holiday....it is what it is....our world thrives on hatred today that's why jerry stringer does so good....happy doesn't sell...the media is having a field day with a white man voting against a black man holiday that honestly wouldn't make the sun stop rising if it didn't exist...there isn't any point in arguing about this to begin with because none of this will ever change except for the worst and the holiday will never go away...it ain't gonna happen
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Edited by
rtaylor74
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Fri 06/27/08 01:44 PM
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Dude... what the hell?
As one of about 12 black people active in the forums, let me be the one to state that bringing this up as a political issue is a) Bad politics b) Bad for the country c) Bad for us individually. McCain was certainly not the only person to vote against the holiday. In fact, it wasn't until 2000 that all 50 states recognized the day as a holiday. That doesn't mean that McCain or the people who don't support it don't like black people. They just don't agree with it being a national holiday. As an American, no matter how much I may disagree with that position, the best part about this country is that we are FREE to disagree without violence. That being said, it is what it is. Furthermore, McCain has - in the years after the 1983 vote - reversed his decision, and even supported attempts to get the holiday recognized in his home state. Whether this was sincere, or politics, I don't know. I guess the cynical point of view would be to assume it was simply to avoid heat. Personally, I'm tired of cynicism. I'd like to believe that the man was locked in a cage during the civil rights struggle, didn't understand the significance, and made a judgement based on some other criteria other than racism, then maybe saw that it was a bigger deal than he realized, and learned. Who knows? Bottom line is, I'm not going to cast (or not cast) a vote for President based on him voting for or against a national holiday. It's ridiculous. As I look at the body of McCain's work, I can tell you that I don't think he's a racist. I think the word 'racist' is thrown out there waaay too much, and it's unfortunate. Many retarded comments (like a few uneducated opinions in this post) are not made from a hatred of minorites. They're made from a position of ignorance, and a general disenchantment and disillusionment of their personal positions. Well, I feel as sorry for them as they would for me. I'm 34, educated, well compensated for my work, and am generally isolated from the issues that MLK fought for. I do appreciate what the man did, and I hold him in high regard for it. But if people choose not to recognize it, I don't care. He simply fought for the right of all Americans (not just blacks) to be able to share in the American dream. That has been realized to a large extent, and ANY American who doesn't take advantage of it (white, black, female, male, hispanic) I could give two ****s about. Bottom line is, if you want it, go get it. With THAT, said, I would suggest anyone using MLK, blacks, hispanics or any other racially divisive issue to promote a candidate, take a hard look at what's happening in this country. Progress is inevitable. You can't stop it. We're all here, no one's going anywhere, and we're all gonna just have to learn to deal with it. If I don't vote for McCain, it's not because Obama's black. It would be because I feel he represents the best opportunity to reverse the direction that the Bush administration set us on, which you'd have to be close to moronic to support. |
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the reason racism will never cease is because people continue to look at a persons color - short and sweet -- pull out that old race card when all else fails. I live in today's world just refuse to conform to things that are unjust and not right (but that's me).
here's some simple news: McCain is of white ancestry. Obama is of white and black ancestry. Why do you only mention Obama's black ancestrial side? Is it because that is what you see? |
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Edited by
adj4u
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Fri 06/27/08 02:06 PM
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In a February 2000 interview with ABC News, McCain said his initial opposition to a holiday was based on his belief that “it was not necessary to have another federal holiday, that it cost too much money hhhmmmmm kinda what i thought his reason would be but hey what do i know after are federal holiday === paid day of for those who are paid with your tax dollars what do "the people" get for this expenditure all federal holidays should be unpaid if the federal employee does not work that day yes the majority of the american populous is to lazy to inform themselves as far as the issues or even the true stance behind political candidates just like this mlk day thing i wonder how many tax dollars this and any other federal holiday costs the american taxpayer washintons birthday is not a holiday roosevelt's (the only prez to be in office 4 terms) is not a holiday granted mlk was a great man no doubt about it and i am pretty sure mccain feels the same way but to spend millions of dollars every year to celibrate his birthday i would almost bet mlk himself would say this money could be better used to work on the equal rights of all and to move closer towards the realization of all races working in unison for the betterment of man there are great men that do not get any recognition and some may be greater than any known man in the world so maybe we should abolish all federal holidays and reestablish one holiday (not paid) that is called mankind day just a few points of interest as far as i am concerned i guess since the congress has passed funding for iraq then the counterpart running for office in the future will say they supported the war rather than the warrior |
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Dude... what the hell? As one of about 12 black people active in the forums, let me be the one to state that bringing this up as a political issue is a) Bad politics b) Bad for the country c) Bad for us individually. McCain was certainly not the only person to vote against the holiday. In fact, it wasn't until 2000 that all 50 states recognized the day as a holiday. That doesn't mean that McCain or the people who don't support it don't like black people. They just don't agree with it being a national holiday. As an American, no matter how much I may disagree with that position, the best part about this country is that we are FREE to disagree without violence. That being said, it is what it is. Furthermore, McCain has - in the years after the 1983 vote - reversed his decision, and even supported attempts to get the holiday recognized in his home state. Whether this was sincere, or politics, I don't know. I guess the cynical point of view would be to assume it was simply to avoid heat. Personally, I'm tired of cynicism. I'd like to believe that the man was locked in a cage during the civil rights struggle, didn't understand the significance, and made a judgement based on some other criteria other than racism, then maybe saw that it was a bigger deal than he realized, and learned. Who knows? Bottom line is, I'm not going to cast (or not cast) a vote for President based on him voting for or against a national holiday. It's ridiculous. As I look at the body of McCain's work, I can tell you that I don't think he's a racist. I think the word 'racist' is thrown out there waaay too much, and it's unfortunate. Many retarded comments (like a few uneducated opinions in this post) are not made from a hatred of minorites. They're made from a position of ignorance, and a general disenchantment and disillusionment of their personal positions. Well, I feel as sorry for them as they would for me. I'm 34, educated, well compensated for my work, and am generally isolated from the issues that MLK fought for. I do appreciate what the man did, and I hold him in high regard for it. But if people choose not to recognize it, I don't care. He simply fought for the right of all Americans (not just blacks) to be able to share in the American dream. That has been realized to a large extent, and ANY American who doesn't take advantage of it (white, black, female, male, hispanic) I could give two ****s about. Bottom line is, if you want it, go get it. With THAT, said, I would suggest anyone using MLK, blacks, hispanics or any other racially divisive issue to promote a candidate, take a hard look at what's happening in this country. Progress is inevitable. You can't stop it. We're all here, no one's going anywhere, and we're all gonna just have to learn to deal with it. If I don't vote for McCain, it's not because Obama's black. It would be because I feel he represents the best opportunity to reverse the direction that the Bush administration set us on, which you'd have to be close to moronic to support.  
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yes the majority of the american populous is to lazy to inform themselves as far as the issues or even the true stance behind political candidates just like this mlk day thing i wonder how many tax dollars this and any other federal holiday costs the american taxpayer washintons birthday is not a holiday while I can see your point wholeheartedly I did a search on the 2007 federal holidays and it does include Washington's birthday as a federal holiday, February 18th, 2008 roosevelt's (the only prez to be in office 4 terms) is not a holiday granted mlk was a great man no doubt about it and i am pretty sure mccain feels the same way but to spend millions of dollars every year to celibrate his birthday i would almost bet mlk himself would say this money could be better used to work on the equal rights of all and to move closer towards the realization of all races working in unison for the betterment of man also agree, there are a million other things that our tax dollars can be appropriated to, but selfishly I get the day off too w/pay (not a fed emp) there are great men that do not get any recognition and some may be greater than any known man in the world so maybe we should abolish all federal holidays and reestablish one holiday (not paid) that is called mankind day sounds fair to me, Mankind Day just a few points of interest as far as i am concerned i guess since the congress has passed funding for iraq then the counterpart running for office in the future will say they supported the war rather than the warrior also can see your point |
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Edited by
adj4u
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Fri 06/27/08 03:10 PM
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i guess i sit corrected
Washington's Birthday (third Monday in February) The birthday of George Washington, military leader of the American Revolution and first president of the United States, has been a legal holiday since 1885. It was originally celebrated each February 22. The Uniform Holidays Act, passed by Congress in 1968 to take effect in 1971, fixed the holiday on a Monday. As a number of states also celebrated the February 12 birthday of Abraham Lincoln, the 16th president, some legislators advocated combining the two events into a single holiday. The final legislation retained the Washington's Birthday holiday but many Americans now call the holiday "Presidents' Day," believing the change to Mondays was intended to honor both Washington and Lincoln or all presidents. http://www.america.gov/st/diversity-english/2008/January/20080113151228abretnuh0.5784265.html • Birthday of Martin Luther King, Jr. (third Monday in January) On November 2, 1983, President Ronald Reagan signed legislation establishing a legal holiday honoring the civil rights leader (born January 15). By 1999, all 50 states observed the holiday. |
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Washington's Birthday (third Monday in February) The birthday of George Washington, military leader of the American Revolution and first president of the United States, has been a legal holiday since 1885. It was originally celebrated each February 22. The Uniform Holidays Act, passed by Congress in 1968 to take effect in 1971, fixed the holiday on a Monday. As a number of states also celebrated the February 12 birthday of Abraham Lincoln, the 16th president, some legislators advocated combining the two events into a single holiday. The final legislation retained the Washington's Birthday holiday but many Americans now call the holiday "Presidents' Day," believing the change to Mondays was intended to honor both Washington and Lincoln or all presidents. http://www.america.gov/st/diversity-english/2008/January/20080113151228abretnuh0.5784265.html • Birthday of Martin Luther King, Jr. (third Monday in January) On November 2, 1983, President Ronald Reagan signed legislation establishing a legal holiday honoring the civil rights leader (born January 15). By 1999, all 50 states observed the holiday. thanks, this is the info I saw:http://www.opm.gov/Operating_Status_Schedules/fedhol/2008.asp sorry if I was wrong, but thats the link I searched 
* This holiday is designated as "Washington’s Birthday" in section 6103(a) of title 5 of the United States Code, which is the law that specifies holidays for Federal employees. Though other institutions such as state and local governments and private businesses may use other names, it is our policy to always refer to holidays by the names designated in the law. |
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Edited by
adj4u
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Fri 06/27/08 03:13 PM
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sorry fran
when i pasted the info it must of removed my i sit corrected line i have since put it back
and here it is considered presidents day my bad |
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my dear you can do no wrong in my eyes
I enjoy having the day off w/pay
but seriously can see your point. |
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Im worried about McCains affiliation with various people like that rich guy he got out of jail that one time.
WELL, what about the people obama affiliates with? Lindyy
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my dear you can do no wrong in my eyes
I enjoy having the day off w/pay
but seriously can see your point. oh i can do wrong but i never do it intentionally |
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In April of 1979,[57] McCain met and began a courtship with Cindy Lou Hensley, a teacher from Phoenix, Arizona, the only child of the founder of Hensley & Co.[60] He and his wife Carol then permanently separated later in 1979,[57][63][64] and she accepted a divorce in February of 1980,[57] effective in April of 1980.[21] The settlement included two houses, and financial support for her ongoing medical treatments for injuries resulting from the 1969 car accident; they would remain on good terms.[60] McCain and Hensley were married on May 17, 1980.[13] John and Cindy McCain entered into a prenuptial agreement that keeps most of her family's assets under her name;[65] they would always keep their finances apart and file separate income tax returns.[65] And your point being???????????? I never knew you to be such a judgmental person. I am sure you have skeletons in your closet my dear friend. 
Lindyy
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How many times has McCain been married and how many illegitament kids does he have?
Mirror, let me know when you have gotten to the lowest stance and then I shall jump in and start on obama. Fair enough? Lindyy
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