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exactly
how many liberties will some let be taken from all for a false since of security |
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Okay, let's say you're walking down the street, you live in a small town or a small suburb, walking home from a party and it's very early in the morning. Like 2AM.
You look over at a home and see that the garage door is wide open and the front door is open as well. You walk up to make sure everything is alright and see that the guys keys are in his truck as well. What would you do? Any good citizen would call the police because it looks VERY suspicious. Reasonable Clause |
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Edited by
Lindyy
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Sun 06/22/08 08:33 AM
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I am a parent. I raised my two (2) sons on my own, thank you very much. THUS, I am aware of circumstances in raising children and keeping the household safe. I do know, as CLDMom mentioned, how kids can sneak out, my oldest son did while I was right in the living room! (He was grounded for something he had done.)
You are talking about 4 kids under the age of 7 (CAN YOU COMPREHEND THE AGE FACTOR?) there for a sleep over. NO WAY ON GOD'S EARTH would I stay awake with kids over for a 'sleep over.' To begin with, I would never have kids over for a sleepover because of what kids can get into. I do not need to be driven nuts with worry. I cannot believe anyone would be upset because the police checked out the residence for safety reasons, woke up the so-called sleeping father and advised him of the situtation! He was not arrested, nothing, just made aware of the very unsafe conditions. 
Lindyy
P.S. When I was going through my divorce, it was a very violent one, no need to go into detail, but the police in my hometown would ride past my house every once in a while at different hours of the day and night, to make sure everything was ok. THAT made me feel good, knowing that they cared enough to be sure that my sons and I were ok. |
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Everyone seems to have a view on this...anyway, federally it was illegal what the officers did regardless of what the circumstances were. Probably a good thing but on the other hand I can see where one would feel their privacy was being violated, as in this case. Just because one has a badge does not make them better then a typical civilian, I wouldn't go so far to say the cops should be charged but if they had found anything it would be inadmissable in court because of the illegal entry into the residence.
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LAKEVILLE, Minnesota (AP) -- A Lakeville man says he feels violated after two police officers woke him up at 3 a.m. to tell him his door was unlocked. Their surprise visit was part of a public service campaign to remind residents to secure their homes to prevent thefts. Usually, officers just leave notices on doors. But they went further in Troy Molde's case on Thursday. Police entered the house where four children under 7 were having a sleepover, and then went upstairs to Molde's bedroom. The officers told Molde his garage door was open, the TV was on, the keys to his truck were left in the ignition and the door to his house was ajar. A police spokesman says the intrusion was justified because the officers' initial door knocks went unanswered, and they wanted to make sure nothing was wrong. He says the kids inside -- Molde's two sons and two nephews -- were afraid to wake their dad, so the officers went upstairs Where was the mother? I think if the door was ajar - open - I do not think it can be considered any type of illegal entry, if everything were locked up, that is a different story. Considering the keys in the truck, garage door open and 4 kids under the : Lindyy 
they have no proof illegal entry makes anything they found inadmisable they are lucky he didnt wake up and shoot them (the cops) Look, do I have to put my Golden in her attack mode and bring Tinkerbell back out to annoy you? You HAVE to admit the dangerous situation the children were in. AND, what was wrong with the police saying "Uh, pardon us sir, your garage door is open, keys are in your truck, your door is adjar, it is 3 a.m. and there are 4 children under the age of 7 being left unattended, please sir, take care of this situation." The police were not looking for anything, they were merely trying to maintain a safe environment.
Now, hush up or you will be stuffed in Tinkerbell's glass jar.
Lindyy 
 Well I never thought this day would come but I have to agree with you Lindyy. The cops did nothing wrong here. If the police deemed it necessary to put together a team to go through at the early AM hours to make sure things were secured then obviously that area has had some problems in the past with crime. So they tried to awaken the homeowners by knocking on the door. When no one answered they didn't know if they were just heavy sleepers or if someone was inside robbing and murdering the family. So they entered the house. (Not looking for anything of a crime or anything. Just to make sure the homeowners were okay)
Then when they find a bunch of children having a sleepover and in this type of danergous situation it escalates a little bit because of the carelessness of the homeowner. So they go and wake him up to inform him of the potential dangers that he put himself and his family in. I mean if it was some type of robber the robber could have gone inside. Murdered all of the children of the sleepover. Killed the father, loaded up his truck with stuff from the house and high tailed it out of there. And by the way to all those saying they had no legal right. If police officers feel that something isn't right with a situation or they are checking on the safety of someone they are allowed to enter a residence uninvited or without a warrant. Even if it means breaking into the house. (Which they didn't even have to this time since the door was open.) absolutely  <<<< LINDYY >>>>>
 <<<<< Rathill_Thads >>>>>>
I agree wholeheartedly 
anyone who thinks differently 
must live in Mayberry RFD....
with andy taylor and barney fife
and no crime to speak of ....
he needs a rude awakening to the realities of this world & he's fortunate that nothing has obviously happened to him and his kids or he would be singing a completely different tune |
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and so many wonder what is happening to the freedoms in this country
how many liberties will you give up for a false since of security |
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and so many wonder what is happening to the freedoms in this country how many liberties will you give up for a false since of security  none of that even < slightly > applies to this story ....
i would be very grateful for the police to intervene
to provide extra security & protection of my Family
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some people really need to get over themselves
and put things in proper perspective 
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LAKEVILLE, Minnesota (AP) -- A Lakeville man says he feels violated after two police officers woke him up at 3 a.m. to tell him his door was unlocked. Their surprise visit was part of a public service campaign to remind residents to secure their homes to prevent thefts. Usually, officers just leave notices on doors. But they went further in Troy Molde's case on Thursday. Police entered the house where four children under 7 were having a sleepover, and then went upstairs to Molde's bedroom. The officers told Molde his garage door was open, the TV was on, the keys to his truck were left in the ignition and the door to his house was ajar. A police spokesman says the intrusion was justified because the officers' initial door knocks went unanswered, and they wanted to make sure nothing was wrong. He says the kids inside -- Molde's two sons and two nephews -- were afraid to wake their dad, so the officers went upstairs Where was the mother? I think if the door was ajar - open - I do not think it can be considered any type of illegal entry, if everything were locked up, that is a different story. Considering the keys in the truck, garage door open and 4 kids under the : Lindyy
they have no proof illegal entry makes anything they found inadmisable they are lucky he didnt wake up and shoot them (the cops) Look, do I have to put my Golden in her attack mode and bring Tinkerbell back out to annoy you? You HAVE to admit the dangerous situation the children were in. AND, what was wrong with the police saying "Uh, pardon us sir, your garage door is open, keys are in your truck, your door is adjar, it is 3 a.m. and there are 4 children under the age of 7 being left unattended, please sir, take care of this situation." The police were not looking for anything, they were merely trying to maintain a safe environment.
Now, hush up or you will be stuffed in Tinkerbell's glass jar.
Lindyy
Well I never thought this day would come but I have to agree with you Lindyy. The cops did nothing wrong here. If the police deemed it necessary to put together a team to go through at the early AM hours to make sure things were secured then obviously that area has had some problems in the past with crime. So they tried to awaken the homeowners by knocking on the door. When no one answered they didn't know if they were just heavy sleepers or if someone was inside robbing and murdering the family. So they entered the house. (Not looking for anything of a crime or anything. Just to make sure the homeowners were okay)
Then when they find a bunch of children having a sleepover and in this type of danergous situation it escalates a little bit because of the carelessness of the homeowner. So they go and wake him up to inform him of the potential dangers that he put himself and his family in. I mean if it was some type of robber the robber could have gone inside. Murdered all of the children of the sleepover. Killed the father, loaded up his truck with stuff from the house and high tailed it out of there. And by the way to all those saying they had no legal right. If police officers feel that something isn't right with a situation or they are checking on the safety of someone they are allowed to enter a residence uninvited or without a warrant. Even if it means breaking into the house. (Which they didn't even have to this time since the door was open.) absolutely <<<< LINDYY >>>>>
<<<<< Rathill_Thads >>>>>>
I agree wholeheartedly
anyone who thinks differently
must live in Mayberry RFD....
with andy taylor and barney fife
and no crime to speak of ....
he needs a rude awakening to the realities of this world & he's fortunate that nothing has obviously happened to him and his kids or he would be singing a completely different tune More Cheers for the Conscientious Police
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I understand everyone's concerns but if you know Lakeville, and I KNOW Lakeville, it was a small farm town turned yuppie city with a nearly non-existent crime rate and in this ultra liberal state is anyone surprised that the nanny state wants to go around checking doors? What's next? Maybe they could make sure my trash cans are picked up and my porch light is off when I go to bed?
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some people really need to get over themselves
and put things in proper perspective
ouch, I think this comment is uncalled for we are all entitled to express our opinions everyone does not have to agree with it |
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Edited by
Lindyy
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Mon 06/23/08 08:04 AM
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Well, she was stating her opinion, just like you stated your opinion about her opinion. So.......?????? You did what you accused her of doing.
We are allowed to express our agreement or disagreement, that is part of discussions/debates. Let us not cross the fine line of getting petty.
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Edited by
Rapunzel
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Mon 06/23/08 08:04 AM
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some people really need to get over themselves
and put things in proper perspective
ouch, I think this comment is uncalled for we are all entitled to express our opinions everyone does not have to agree with it we all are entitled to express our opinions, but things Do need to be put in proper perspective
and i still think that some people need to get over themselves
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Well, she was stating her opinion, just like you stated your opinion about her opinion. So.......?????? You did what you accused her of doing. We are allowed to express our agreement or disagreement, that is part of discussions/debates. Let us not cross the fine line of getting petty.
Thank you so much Lindyy ...
looks like we are on the same page 
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Everyone seems to have a view on this...anyway, federally it was illegal what the officers did regardless of what the circumstances were. Probably a good thing but on the other hand I can see where one would feel their privacy was being violated, as in this case. Just because one has a badge does not make them better then a typical civilian, I wouldn't go so far to say the cops should be charged but if they had found anything it would be inadmissable in court because of the illegal entry into the residence. See that's where you are wrong. The badge they carry is to symbolize their duty to PROTECT and to serve. They do have more power than a typical civilian. It is their job to protect the people. Federally it was not illegal for them to enter. They felt the circumstances were suspicious. It sounds like a high crime area to begin with and there was a truck in the garage with keys in the ignition but no one was answering the door. Would you prefer that they just say to themselves. Oh well no one is answering. I guess everything is okay and they move along leaving you and your family in a totally unsafe situation? The suspicious circumstances were enough for a probable cause to enter the residence and check things out. Now no one is saying that they were allowed to go opening drawers or cabinents or anything. They were not looking for anything against the homeowner. They were just making sure the family was safe. In addition to that BECAUSE they had probably cause to enter the building. Anything they saw or found that was in plain site would have been admissable in a court setting and would have allowed them to attain a warrant for the rest of the house. |
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some people really need to get over themselves
and put things in proper perspective
ouch, I think this comment is uncalled for we are all entitled to express our opinions everyone does not have to agree with it we all are entitled to express our opinions, but things Do need to be put in proper perspective
and i still think that some people need to get over themselves
as you are entitled but must someone conform to your opinion of proper perspective
true some people should get over themselves - as some should think more highly of theirselves
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OMG!!
That is not very good!
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Edited by
ddn122
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Mon 06/23/08 08:53 AM
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should have closed the door and walked away if they were concerned
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the cops were in the wrong
they had no legsl right to enter the garage to see the keys in the ignition they had no reason to go to the door to see if he would answer it they had no reason to enter the residence to see his children nor his sisters or brothers children this behavior is totally uncalled for by the police they have no more right to do these things in this situation than anyone posting in this thread is it illegal to leave your garage door open is it illegal to leave your front door open i do not know about you but i have seen a lot of garage doors left open and i have also seen a lot of front doors left open this does not make it a suspicious situation they illegally entered and if it was me i would press charges as some say on this site "nough said |
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A police spokesman says the intrusion was justified because the officers' initial door knocks went unanswered, and they wanted to make sure nothing was wrong.
cya cya |
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