Give the others a bad name...

True pantheism has no anthropomorphism involved.

None.

If one chooses to attribute physiological constructs such as human emotions, needs, wants, and desires to a 'God' which is the very essence regarding all truth in reality, then I claim they should stick to religions which allow for such things.

Pantheism does not.

If you want to seek the origin, then read and comprehend Spinoza's Ethics I. Study it carefully.

It is the only philosophically and logically sound argument for the existence of 'God' as an origin of all things.

Until then, call yourself something different because your giving pantheists a bad rap to the people who do not know any better.

The ones who do know better are already aware of this, that I am sure of.



Damn it... I have been speaking on those terms too much as well in order to converse with most... I even wrote creator... since has been corrected.

uhhhh .... what if I am just an anthropomorphized bit of energy ...





I think I will get new business cards printed ...




ArtGurl, Contemplative Dreamer
Anthromorphized bit of energy

Pantheism satisfies our need to revere something greater than ourselves - yet never turns its back on the earth, and never departs from the evidence before us. Pantheism fuses spirituality and science, mind and body, humans and nature.

Leave me alone.....kidding.

Kat

Peace Kat...

Artsy, always so comical when need be...

Do you have any oatmeal raisin cookies?

If she doesn't...I have pineapple upside down cake. Home made. Have some? I'll send it right over.

Kat

I am all out today honey ... how about chocolate ones stuffed with mint?


comical? I kinda liked the sound of those business cards ...

@ the both of you...

I'll take both, the cake and the cookies!!!

Which reminds me... I am outta milk.

Hi gurl. Good to see ya darlin.

Kat

Can I eat it upside down ... standing on my head so that it goes in right side up?

Hugs to you dear Kat!!!

Uhhhh....if that's what you wanna do?? I can save you the trouble and turn the pan right side up and all is good. Voila'...pineapple on top.

Kat

Did I spell that right??

'God' is the reality in all truthes...



My understanding of 'God' has evolved through my years lived. I am comfortable with the notion of 'God' being all that was, is, and ever will be... living within each and every one of us... experiencing through us... I do not believe that such a wonderful 'being' would be confined completely into one 'book'... As a result of this, I do not believe that the only way to 'find' God is through Christianity, nor any other religion.

As a matter of fact, I am convinced that much of the writings contained in the Bible are very inaccurate descriptions of 'what' God is... the entire text, when taken at face value, completely displays a 'personification of God', applying physiological principles and conditions which require a physical existence... an explanation of what lived within the man who wrote the words.

Jealous?...

Angry?...

Vengeful?...

Hate?...

Loving?...

requiring sacrifices?...

Omniscient?...

'God's will'?...

'free will'?...

Unchanging yet...

Always changing?...

Compassionate?...

Infallible?...

Punishing future generations for 'sins' of past generations?...

Just?...

Forgiving?...

Unforgiving?...

Creator of all things?...



Every one of these notions can be found to be scripturally backed, with little effort.

None of which, when viewed in this context, which is unattached...purposefully unattached... can even begin to stand up to what IS known. One cannot be all of these things... Unless...

This world and it's teaching(s) can and often do place many things between one and what I believe God to be... not just through religion... there are individually great things that do happen as a result of one's maintaining faith regarding many religions... and SOMETHING ties it ALL together... It is my belief that there are truthes in each one... or at least the extended capability to find peace within.

Many, I believe, have been taught regarding the idea that this notion of God is a separate entity from us... creating an infinite amount of ideas that we must aspire to for acceptance from 'Him' that, I truly believe, is so so far from being true.

My teachers have been many, my teachers have been few, and I make every attempt I can at stepping outside of a 'comfort zone' in order to gain further understanding... sometimes that can be harsh on one, providing there exists a strong emotional attachment to that which must be left behind as a result of not 'fitting' any longer... even if it fit perfectly at one time. Each successful step leads one to the next, and I measured by the completeness of peace within.

I believe that if one can recognize that which has been learned throughout life that steals one from themself... the teachings that lead to and perpetuate the belief of God being separate from one... it is the beginning of the path to enlightenment.
The only direction to look in order to assess what one has accepted as being true is within. All of one's beliefs are held within, along with the 'justification' of having held onto any given one. It can be a complex matter indeed, and one must be willing to face who they actually are... which may be far away from who they think they are.

It is my belief, that when one is truly at peace within... with no inner struggles about themself and who they actually are, that inner peace cannot help but to be displayed, and shows the world the 'God' that is within all of us, should we be willing and able to 'find' it.

It is within us... each and every one of us misplace it during life, and may find it again later through a variety of means...

It is a peace... complete and total... it is the true evidence of the 'salvation' from the worldy fingerprint which robs one from themself.

For as long as one looks outward through the worldly fingerprint for the answers to that which they seek, it will remain incorruptable, without recognition, nor definition, and rob one from that which lives in each of us.

I want to personally thank a few here, who have recently helped me to identify some residual things of past which needed purged...

Forget about this post.

Forget about this post too.

Micheal,

Maybe it would be better to just forget about everything I just posted and address the following simple question,...

What is the difference between atheism and pantheism in your view?

i think when we become or reach a point where we are at peace with our belief's is when we are farthest from the truth.

I'm a monotheist and have no oatmeal raisin cookies.

Does it really matter? If a person is happy that's cool.

I think a lot of people do view religion as a means of finding peace, or whatever.

I've never looked to religion for that reason. I've always been at peace internally my entire life. It doens't matter to me whether there's a God or not. Whatever will be will be.

Of course if God turns out to be an angry egotist who might be peeved at me for some reason I supposed I should be concerned about that. But even if that's the case, I'll deal with it when the egotistical deity shows his face and not before. I'm certainly not going to spend my life cowering down to a demon that I don't even know exists.

My interest in the true essence of our reality is purely an intellectual interest, no different than my interest in science. I think it's an interesting question of whether there is or isn't a spiritual nature underneath it all.

I have reasons to believe that there is.

Albert Einstein rejected the notion of a 'personal god' yet at the very same time, he rejected the notion that 'God plays dice'.

Clearly he wasn't prepared to accept complete atheism either.

He found the idea that the world is just one big random accident to be deplorable.

I think there's a very fine line between thinking of any kind of 'spirituality' at all versus jumping into the deep end of complete anthropomorphism.

If our true essence is spiritual, and that spirit is said to be a 'living spirit'. Then it's almost impossible to suggest some form of anthropomorphism associated with it. Even if it's only that we are created in the image of the spirit.

If we are spirit, then some notion of anthropomorphism is reasonable. After we're claiming that our true essence is spiritual!

To utterly denounce any hint of anthropomorphism is basically demanding pure atheism.

What good is the notion of a "dead" spirit? An unconscious spirit?

The very notion of a spiritual essence demands that spirit can be concious without form. Otherwise why even bother with the whole idea of spirit in the first place?

If the notion of a living spirit is dead then it just reduces to pure atheism.

This would just be an atheist demanding that pantheism = atheism.

no it doen't really matter, and your free to think what ever makes you happy or gives you peace, just as i do also. but that does not mean you or i are right - it just means we are content with our view's at present, and tomorrow or 10 years from now we may have different views as to what's right in our own eye's as to now, if we discover real life on other planet's we explore for instance - that will give a whole new spin on my thought's of creation for example - it may not do anything for you - but something else significant might- i'm only saying that the thing's we see as our truth's now, may be far from what what we may hold in the future. I know i've held several truth's about several thing's over my life that have drastically change since i was in my teen's or 20's, that is all i meant in my remark.

it seems to me very ridiculous the idea of an existance without a final ending.
whether a person follows a religious belief or not, is not the biggest issue.
for me is very sad and deplorable to see individuals who think that there is nothing after this life.
individuals who have the delusion to be in peace their whole life because they are not rule for any set of values whatsover.
and they have the idea that after they die their essence will disapear.
if i were to hold such believe it would be easier to grab a gun and blow my brain because if it's true that nothing is going to happen after i die, well why the hell i keep living the miserable life of this world?
whereas i believe that regardless the belief system there have to be something beyond this life and whatever we become or get after this world is based upon our deeds in this world either good or bad.
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now with regard anthropomorphism I gotta be very naive or stupid, but for me it's very simple. If we were created in God's image and likeness ofcourse we are going to have God's traces in our substance. That is the reason why we are able to relate human feelings to God because feelings and thoughts are part of our soul which is exactly the characteristic that God gave us in order to be in his image and likeness.
Therefore, to me is very silly and naive trying to conceive a God who is absolutely apart from us.