That is your choice, but you will never find truth when you shut the door on information. You cannot judge any information you do not read, nor can you compare, nor can you know what is an ignorant mind if you keep your mind in darkness.

JB

my life not yours.
don't even pretend to tell me what to with it.

I would never do that. Do as thou wilt. It is your life. You will have more lives.

If I have the chance to have just one wish, that would be not to have more than the life I already have.
I don't need multiple lives to acomplish what i need to acomplish.

What is it that you want to accomplish?

JB

that is between my Father and I.

So does that mean you don't really know?

(Just kidding ya. )

again that is between my Father and I.

The Catholic Church does not make the laws for the US!
To blame all that on them is crazy!!

The issue of who gained the right to vote first, blacks or women is not as clear as you pretend it to be either. In some states women had the right to vote way before blacks. In some states it happened at about the same time.

Who told you that Catholics kneel all the time? You just said you've never been to a Chatholic Church so that's just another of your misinformed presumptions!

What is it they say about ass u me? LOL

I have been in a Catholic Church, probably for a wedding. They have kneeling benches in front of all the pews.

The Church and religion in general has always been a huge influence on the making of laws in any society. If you want to deny that then you are just unaware. Being a man, that makes you even more unaware. Men were not created equal to women you know. LOL

I question this Tribo,

A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; Not given to wine, no striker [not violent], not greedy of filthy lucre [money]; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;

A Chatholic Priest cannot marry and therefore cannot have children let alone the Pope!
Your information is very inaccurate and out of context!

hahaha - thank the holographic matrix for that huh jellybean hay!!! wait a minute!!! - i resemble that remark!!!

It is not I that is unaware rather you! You should study a little more than the tarot cards dear!

These are your words the first time,

I have never attended any Catholic church. I don't like standing on my knees.

Just now you said,

I have been in a Catholic Church, probably for a wedding.

Which is it? What do the tarot cards tell you now?

Of course you kneel when praying. Even a child saying prayers before bed knows that! That does not mean Catholics kneel all the time they are in service.

Do you close your eyes when you flip your tarot cards, or is that just a rumor?


My mother was a devot Catholic, as well as my 4 sisters. Trust me the Catholic Church does not look down on women!

The first settlers in America were Puritans who had broken away from the Church of England. They came to America to avoid Religious persecution! The Church of England is Anglican, Protestant reformers. They consider themselves Catholic yet not quite! Remember King Henry VIII??? He wanted a divorce which the Catholics wouldn't give so he started his own version!

The Catholics were and still are mostly in the Southern US and Americas. They came over with the Spanish mostly and weren't part of the original 13 colonies! There were some Catholics in the first 13 but they were a minority!

If you want to learn something about the Catholics, ask and then listen. Please quit assuming that which you have no knowledge while pretending that you do!

tribo:

quite the opposite fanta - the auther is laying out what the bible states from the apostles writings (paul's timothy and titus) if you care to glance quickly again, and then goes on to show that in later centuries the "popes" (one in particular), put upon the priesthood the vow of "celibacy"

if you bother to read about the popes she mention's, you will see afterwards her comments:

"Pope Gregory VII wanted to increase the power of the papacy. For reasons of politics and power, he abolished clerical marriage. In 1074 he passed laws requiring that priests be celibate, and he got rid of married priests. [Note 19]

As a result, since 1074 no Pope has been able to meet the Apostle Paul's requirement for bishops"

So- for over a thousand years after the universal chuch was in existance - the clergy/priest - were allowed to marry in fact as she states in what your confronting me with is - that paul requires the bishop's and other's to "be married" in order to hold the position's in question - yet alone the falsely formed papacy that was never even mentioned in scriptures - if anyone is "POPE" of the church it is jesus not man!! the early christian church kept within the bound's of scripture but it became corrupt as all hell once constantine took power and ruled both rome and the christian church - from there it continued to slide down hill to become the most heritical church that ever existed in past times. - as i say i'm not going to rail against those who are "following" their christian beliefs as to their god or jesus or the things that are of core faith and belief "all christianity no matter what denomination - but on this aspect i am all to aware of the deceit, lies,decadency,atrocities, and all else of the "roman universal church"

Your history of the Catholic Church is badly flawed. It just goes to show that if you look long enough and hard enough you can find anything to back your opinion!
The history of the Catholic Church is too long and complex to be reduced to one little post by antone esp. a non-believer who's only intent is to try and belittle every Christiam denomination. I'll give the effort to right your false statement one post though. Dont expect another reply to the BS!

1st, in the year 189 the Pope was an African (Pope Victor I) He was not related nor of blood to Peter or Paul. The Roman Catholic Church was founded by Saint Peter and Paul. Peter was from Galilee, Paul was an Egyptian!


The Catholic Church has always known that a Pastor who is a family man has a heart that is naturally divided. History shows that there was always a tradition of celibate priests in the early Church, although it was not exclusive.

The Church Fathers of the first four centuries consistently spoke against the married priesthood. (Eusibius, Augustine, Tertullian, Origen, St. Cyril of Jerusalem, St. Jerome etc..) St. Epiphanius speaks of the accepted ecclesiastical rule of the priesthood (kanona tes ierosynes) as something established by the Apostles. (Haer., xlviii, 9) "Holy Church", he says, "respects the dignity of the priesthood to such a point that she does not admit to the diaconate, the priesthood, or the episcopate, nor even to the subdiaconate, anyone still living in marriage and begetting children." (Haer., lix, 4).

The writings of the Church fathers show that, in the early Church, married priests were not the accepted norm in the main centres of Alexandria, Antioch and Rome. They considered it a "problem" that existed in the outlying regions. By the 3rd century there were almost no married priests and several councils put the issue to rest until around the 9th century when many bishops and priests took wives and had children. The state of the priesthood fell to an all time low. A huge problem emerged with priests "willing" Church property to their families. Up to that point, the principle of celibacy was never completely surrendered in the official enactments of the Church. In 1123, celibacy was made official. Although, throughout history there have been scattered instances of abuses of the Canon Law, the Roman Catholic Church has consistently stuck to this position on celibate priests.

There was much theology around the concept of a priest being the "bride of Christ" (Jn 3:29, Rev 18:23, 19:7, 21:9, 21:17. This was considered in the Church's decision. Scripture fairly consistently awards celibacy a higher spiritual calling than marriage.

...it is well for them to remain unmarried as I am...it is well for you to remain as you are...do not seek a wife...he who refrains from marriage will do better...(I Cor., 7-8 and 32-38)

Paul says that celibacy provides "unhindered devotion to the Lord. " (1 cor 7:35) Jesus tells us "it is better not to marry...let anyone accept this who can." (Mat 19:10-12)

Some biblical arguments for a married priesthood have been set out citing 1 Tim. 3: 2, 12 and Titus 1: 6 that a bishop or a deacon should be "the husband of one wife." A careful read of these passages points to Paul's concern about remarried priests. Catholics feel the section is aimed at removing those who are on their second marriages, rather than pushing for a married clergy. Although Paul did not expressly lay out a married priesthood he consistently held celibacy as preferable.

http://www.davidmacd.com/catholic/why_priests_cant_marry.htm

sorry fanta - take it up with the writer - not me - she's the ex nun - and take it up with the catholic encyclopedia from which she got much of her info or read it your self - after all it's the "catholic encyclopedia" not mine - written by catholics - not me - i'm not spreading the info - they are.

as to christ word's in matt 19 vs 10 thru 11 jesus uses the word eunuch(s) - greek - yoo noy ah or yoo noo' khid zo - meaning literally CASTRATED" - impotent - now "figuratively" speaking it could mean live unmarried - but here's the problem - christ is answering the question put to him by the deciples in vs 10 - " ALL MEN" (cannot)recieve this saying save "THEY" to whom it is "GIVEN" ? to be given means to be presented with - by whom? god evidentally and then acted upon by the one it's given to if he is to be obedient. . 12 - for there are some "eunuch's" which were born from their mothers womb? ( men living un married from the womb? that makes no sense to be stating that "all men are living unmarried from the womb" - none at that point have "recieved" no call to remain unmarried that any newborn would be conscience of! - so it has to mean either castrated? or impotent? i'll use my common sense to figure it means without testicles or impotence here!) - and there are some eunuch's which were made eunuch's by man - ( i'll use my common sense again to state this as also "castrated men" not men living unmarried unless you really believe foolishly different, " And there be eunuch's which have made"themselves" eunuch's for the kingdom of heaven's sake - "HE" that is "ABLE" to RECEIVE" it - ( the call to living unmarried) let him receive "IT" - the call to living unmarried - this is not a call to celibacy but a statement by jesus that if you can "accept" it then do so - it is in no way a command!! nor is it a command by paul - after all peter was married - the very man by which the roman church brought about popeism -there may have been other's im sure as the gospel was spread. there is a "BIG" difference between establishing a "LAW" by christ and a free will reception by man of something.

Misconceptions...?

I have some possibilities. I welcome all to please answer this question. First I will explain.

Some have said that Catholics go to confession because the priest is holy enough to talk to God. You call them "Father". Now one thing that scares be about the Catholic religion is the fact that all of these priests choose to be abstinent in their sexually. Some of them begin to lose their control and molest children of the church. This is what I have seen out of Catholicism. My question is, will you please shed some light on these areas so that I can understand? I mean priest will refrain sexually and then go and have a cigarette. lol I just do not get it.

fanta:

." A careful read of these passages ??

TRIBO:

a ""careful read"" by whom? one with a preconceived bias? One who want's to prove their ignorence? one who listen's to man instead of their common sense? A ""careful read"" of paul's statement's leads to nothing more than that paul saying that it is "better" that man not marry if he is to serve god - it was never intended to be made a "law" for the ""entire clergy""!!


i'm sure you would believe that the "pope" is the mouth piece for god / christ in all matter's also. your ignorence is comical.

I have never been Catholic or studied much about it. I just clearly want to know why and what your thoughts are about the subjects I posted above. Why do you call a priest father? Among the other questions. Look ^ there.