I have heard or read many "Christians" saying that worship of anything other than the hebrew god known as "I am" or father or Jesus Christ (not his name either but hey what's in a name that is what Christians call him) is worship of the Devil.

The Devil as defined as Christians would be the angel Lucifer cast out from heaven. If I am wrong here correct me. So far as I know he is independent (is he even known to be a he since angels are without gender?) within himself as a former agent of god running his own show in opposition to god.

Now my question and you can be sure this is non christian spiritual theology so if you are Christian and this next part confuses you that is ok, it's understandable.

Spirits feed off energy. If for any reason the Christians were mislead and rather than following the creator are following a named or identified spirit it draws stregth from their belief which gives it it's power. I understand this is other than what the bible teaches this is spiritual philosophy having to do with independent spirits.

So If this part about spirits feeding off energy is true and the need for followers is based on the need for active recognition and energy to give it power, then wouldn't delcaration of everything of everything other than this narrow view of one spirit as devil worship self defeating by making their own devil stronger than their own god? Christianity is a dominant religion but compared to the rest of the world has fewer numbers so Devil worshipers by the Christian's own definitions would be more numerous and this would by the (theoretical) source of power of spirits be self defeating giving more strength to the devil.

Tap tap...is this thing on? Is anyone hearing this? ok All religion aside regardless of what you follow or believe this question is meant as a question of theological philosphy having nothing to do with the following of Christ, but having to do with concepts that some theorize govern the world of spirits.

Slowly backs out of the room!

Sorry BB - finally here at the beginning of ont of your posts but find I have nothing to post. As I don't believe in any spririt other than the spirit of individuality that exists only in the living.

I'll just watch - tomorrow, tonight my spirir rests alone - aweee!!!!

gone

The universe is made up of energy and information. It is electromagnetic. Most physical beings draw their power from source which is drawn (or generated) from within them and manifested outwardly into the physical world of forms.

But the spirits of the darkness and other spirits with no bodies must suck their power from the living souls who are still connected to source. Having a grounded physical body, means you generate or draw your energy from source.

Spirits with no physical body get their energy from those with bodies. People who channel spirits or even speak to the dead will often feel drained afterwards.

JB

Ok Per spiritual Theory everything I read here per my understanding is fact. My question to you JB is what does this mean to the overall Christian consciousness if there were two spirits in opposition and by their own definition anyone not worshiping their spirit was by default a supporter of the other spirit. Regardless of reality would this mean by their view of religion that their devil has more worshipers than their god? This is all just theory I'm only following lifeforce theory as we understand it that spirits are bound by. In reality this means NOTHING so far as religion goes unless the idea about them being mislead is correct. I'm pondering a spiritual paradox dealing with spirit concepts. I know a few Christians might find the concept interesting but they are unlikely to read this anyway...

Where do these "Spirit Theories" come from?

I mean, the biblical picture of God comes from various Mediterranean mythologies.

But where do the "Spirit Theories" come from? Who made them up? What are they based on? What is the story behind how people discovered this information?

What is their claim for the 'divinity' of their knowledge?

Rather than come from religion as a Christian would know it this comes from our theoretical knowledge (which is no more provable than the existence of J.C., "God", or the Devil.

These theories are based on what we as humans know about the interactions between the living (those with physical bodies and living as we know them) and spirits (which are undefined in nature but often believed to be independent spirits, rogue spirits, or spirits of the deceased). This is all theory because much like gods, goddeess, higher powers, angels, devils, ect we are unable to prove them. There are in this field exceptions to rules as always and known incidents where that theoretical laws seem to have been broken even if it was only because we did not understand the workings of the situation.

This is in essense a question regarding parapsychology which although not recognized or accepted by all scientists is the basis of all religion. Without parapsychology religion disapears in a puff of logical smoke.

This query is actually a question about the nature of the christian belief that all non christians are devil worshipers, with what we know about parasychology applied ASSUMING that those that worship the church, bible, or false christian god (Rather than the true creator spirit) have been misslead.

Without making claims:
The knowledge is from incidents throughout history where people have claimed to have interactions with spirits, knowledge of spirits, or were witness to the actions and reactions of spirits.

The claims are without divinity, it is simply human perception and experience,, and everything involved much like religion is simply theory without scientific proof we can point to in a way to show anything to be fact without dispute.

"I AM THAT I AM" means "the self sufficient one". God needs nothing to exist, not food, water, space, time, friendship, love, heat, shelter or worship. All of God's creations exist because God sustains them. Satan is not and cannot be God's enemy in the traditional sense. Satan works against God, but has no chance of overcoming God.

Also, if Satan has a name, it's probably not Lucifer. Lucifer means "Light-Bringer" and was the Latin name for the morning star. Isaiah 14 is talking about a Babylonian king, not Satan. That's made clear by reading the whole chapter in context. Many Christians today accept that Lucifer is not satan, it was a reference to how great a particular Babylonian king thought himself.

If he doesn't need worship, then how come everyone is always telling me to convert and worship him and telling me that he says people should worship him and only him and to convert as many people to worshipping him as possible???

(Sorry...just struck me as odd, didn't mean to hi-jack your thread there BB )

Right right, and right.

However, re-read the post.
The question is not about the Creator of the universe, the question assumes that at least some christians have been lead astray into worshiping a false god. In order to even have anything to say about the question one has to understand the nature of the question. This is all theoretical and is independent of the following of Christ it's a parapsychology paradox.

Your dispute was as valid as his, one off subject to counter another lmao...uh wait...that is your dispute of his dispute per my personal view was more valid, since his dispute was off topic yours had to be to counter it

Now if only I could speak english...

lol sorry hon :P Forgive me...

edit* lol true :P But really...it does sort of confuse me slightly...and as these posts tend to take minds of their own and go astray...I didn't think you'd mind /edit

I was addressing this assertion. That's part of your post and seemed pretty close to the heart. I've had a rough day, so why don't you try to read you own post and put 2+2 together. I have addressed the very heart of your silly post.

I don't think all Christians think that all non-Christians are "worshipers of the devil." (Some of them might think this.)

In any case, I don't know, nor could I answer your question, "what does this mean to the overall Christian consciousness..."

And I am not sure I really understand your question.

JB

God doesn't need worship, you aren't doing anything for God by worshipping him. God deserves worship. Huge difference. You exist because God wants you to exist, pure and simple. Seems like you should take a little time out to thank him.

mm well..to each their own. I was just slightly confused about that...thank you for answering my question though :)

Only in your own book. Although my post may be hard to follow, or worded without perfection as I am a human being if you understand the concepts of paraspychology it is a completely valid question but meant as a theoretical paradox question that can not be answered.

If there was an answer we would not know it, if there was proof in an answer I would have looked it up.

From a Christian perspective...using the Bible, I have given you the correct answer. You don't have to accept the answer, but that question is easily answered by Christianity. Or Judaism for that matter. Probably Islam too.