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You used to write about how wise he was and how nice and talented and etc, etc, etc and he still spits on you by calling you a liar and questioning your motives in posting.
Nowhere did I spit on Miguel or call him a liar. Clearly you are attempting to generate unwarranted hostilities Spider. |
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You problem seems to be that you get upset when you hear other people voicing beliefs that differ from yours. But that’s not stopping you from believing or worshiping the way you chose. Hmmm...I could have sworn that TLW has said just the opposite many times... |
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if i have to paint a portrait of Jesus. I would depict a man with south american indigeneous characters. for u guys to get it better, just imagine a mexican illegal and u'll know how my Jesus would be. 
I've met him !!!! He was mexican and his name was Jesus! He worked on the sod farm in Ellicot. WOW! Jesus did come back. 
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that is just like your religion, when you are faced with your sins you have no defense. I think each person should be judged for his or her own actions. If Christians in general are guilty of all crimes commited by other Christians, then whose crimes are you guilty of? <joke coming up here> We are innocent!! "I didn't do it, nobody saw me, you can't prove a thing" (famous quote from Charley Brown.) </end of joke here> |
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that is just like your religion, when you are faced with your sins you have no defense. I think each person should be judged for his or her own actions. If Christians in general are guilty of all crimes commited by other Christians, then whose crimes are you guilty of? <now here comes my SERIOUS response> If you think each person should be judged for his or her own actions, why is it that you are are born in sin for the sins of Adam and Eve? </end of serious response> <opinion here> (Note: I am not guilty of the sins of Adam an Eve, as I said before I am innocent.) </end of opinion> JB |
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Spidercmb
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Mon 05/19/08 06:48 PM
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<now here comes my SERIOUS response> If you think each person should be judged for his or her own actions, why is it that you are are born in sin for the sins of Adam and Eve? </end of serious response> <opinion here> (Note: I am not guilty of the sins of Adam an Eve, as I said before I am innocent.) </end of opinion> JB We aren't judged by their actions, we are judged by our own. But their actions had consequencies that are still felt in the world. If I were a mad genius and took control of the worlds nukes and detonated them all, life would probably still survive, but it would suffer for my actions. Same thing with Adam and Eve, their actions will resonate until the end of the world. It's the same thing in the Bible, a group of people would be severely punished and their punishment would effect their children. Be it famine, invaders, disease or whatever, when those things happen they effect a lot of secondary individuals. |
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Dragoness
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Mon 05/19/08 06:59 PM
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<now here comes my SERIOUS response> If you think each person should be judged for his or her own actions, why is it that you are are born in sin for the sins of Adam and Eve? </end of serious response> <opinion here> (Note: I am not guilty of the sins of Adam an Eve, as I said before I am innocent.) </end of opinion> JB We aren't judged by their actions, we are judged by our own. But their actions had consequencies that are still felt in the world. If I were a mad genius and took control of the worlds nukes and detonated them all, life would probably still survive, but it would suffer for my actions. Same thing with Adam and Eve, their actions will resonate until the end of the world. Doesn't seem fair huh? If this is the case then me being white, I must pay the price for the whites who enslaved here in this country, right? |
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While I found the original post sort of hard to read I think it means "What can't we all just get along?" (or live in peace)
We could if people will stop trying to mix their religion with world politics, like Abra said. We do live in peace as suggested by the law you’ve mentioned. Except when religious people try to bring religion into politics, but like I say, then it’s no longer a religious issue, then it becomes a political issue. A whole different ballgame.
I personally would HATE to live under Muslim law and other governments who merge their religion with their government. Separation of Religion and Government MUST stay in tact. If it does not, freedom is LOST! Because freedom to think and believe and worship is paramount to individual freedoms. Freedom is paramount to soul! There is no true joy without freedom. Bondage and slavery kill joy, and engender anger and depression. JB |
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Jeanniebean
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Mon 05/19/08 07:00 PM
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<now here comes my SERIOUS response> If you think each person should be judged for his or her own actions, why is it that you are are born in sin for the sins of Adam and Eve? </end of serious response> <opinion here> (Note: I am not guilty of the sins of Adam an Eve, as I said before I am innocent.) </end of opinion> JB We aren't judged by their actions, we are judged by our own. But their actions had consequencies that are still felt in the world. If I were a mad genius and took control of the worlds nukes and detonated them all, life would probably still survive, but it would suffer for my actions. Same thing with Adam and Eve, their actions will resonate until the end of the world. It's the same thing in the Bible, a group of people would be severely punished and their punishment would effect their children. Be it famine, invaders, disease or whatever, when those things happen they effect a lot of secondary individuals. Spider, I am not talking about being judged by our own actions. I am talking about the notion that I am a born sinner, guilty at birth because Adam and Eve disobeyed God. The consequences for their actions were what? Well that would depend on what the forbidden fruit really was. Was it the knowledge of good and evil, or something else entirely? If it was the knowledge of good and evil, then what would we be without that? Ignorant animals, or clones procreating for some creator God for some unknown reason? Do you want to be ignorant of the knowledge of good and evil? Would you give it back in exchange for ignorance and innocence like some dumb animal? These are the questions NOBODY wants to answer. JB P.S. If the idea is just that they disobeyed God and were cast out of the garden, then I don't see why I am to be held responsible for their crime of disobedience. |
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Spider, I am not talking about being judged by our own actions. I am talking about the notion that I am a born sinner, guilty at birth because Adam and Eve disobeyed God. We are born sinners, because it's our nature. We aren't guilty of Adam and Eve's crimes. The consequences for their actions were what? Well that would depend on what the forbidden fruit really was. Was it the knowledge of good and evil, or something else entirely? It could have been anything, that's not the point. The act of disobeying God is what seperated their connection with God. Their knowledge that they could disobey God was the problem. If it was the knowledge of good and evil, then what would we be without that? Ignorant animals, or clones procreating for some creator God for some unknown reason? We would have been like children. Do you want to be ignorant of the knowledge of good and evil? Yes! I watch my son and see how much pleasure he gets out of playing with his Buzz Lightyear and wish I could get that much pleasure out of anything in life. Would you give it back in exchange for ignorance and innocence like some dumb animal? We would be children, not animals. These are the questions NOBODY wants to answer. I didn't have a problem answering them. P.S. If the idea is just that they disobeyed God and were cast out of the garden, then I don't see why I am to be held responsible for their crime of disobedience. The universe was changed because of their actions. The garden probably slowly degenerated until it was destroyed in the flood. That is assuming that God allowed the garden to continue to exist after the fall. |
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We are born sinners, because it's our nature.
Well, if that's our nature then we aren't responsible for it since we didn't create ourselves. Clearly only the creator could be responsible for creating creatures who are innately sinners. The very idea that mankind is innately sinful automatically relives him of any responsibly for having been created in that predicament. We can't be held responsible for the way we were created. That responsibility rests entirely with the creator. |
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Spidercmb
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Mon 05/19/08 08:16 PM
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We are born sinners, because it's our nature.
Well, if that's our nature then we aren't responsible for it since we didn't create ourselves. Clearly only the creator could be responsible for creating creatures who are innately sinners. The very idea that mankind is innately sinful automatically relives him of any responsibly for having been created in that predicament. We can't be held responsible for the way we were created. That responsibility rests entirely with the creator. As Katherin Hepburn said in "African Queen"..."Nature, Mr. Allnut, is what we are put in this world to rise above." Crap...I responded to Abra...My bad, I'm tired and forgot my blacklist. I choose to let it stand rather than edit it out. |
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As Katherin Hepburn said in "African Queen"..."Nature, Mr. Allnut, is what we are put in this world to rise above." That sounds fine in the Pantheistic view with a non-judgmental God. However, a God who is judgmental against ‘sinners’ would be totally unjust creating all men as sinners to start out the game. Rising above ‘nature’ and being accused of being ‘disobedient to God’ are two entirely different things. |
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We are born sinners, because it's our nature. We aren't guilty of Adam and Eve's crimes.
Spider, are you a minister? I ask because I have been told by others that we are born in sin because of the disobedience of Adam and Eve, so I wonder where you get your perspective or if it is just your opinion. I agree that we should not be held responsible for the sins of Adam and Eve, but I have been told that this is the case and it has never made sense to me. Now you tell me that we are "sinners" because it is our nature. Since "sin" is mostly defined as disobedience of God, you are saying that it our "nature" is to disobey God. So you view Adam and Eve as like "Children" who's nature is to disobey God. Okay, don't you think that expelling these "children" from the garden and sentencing them to death was a little harsh for this one little act of disobedience? Would you do that with your little children? Would you throw them out of the house to certain death, for eating out of the cookie jar when they were told not to? JB |
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We are born sinners, because it's our nature. We aren't guilty of Adam and Eve's crimes.
Spider, are you a minister? I ask because I have been told by others that we are born in sin because of the disobedience of Adam and Eve, so I wonder where you get your perspective or if it is just your opinion. I agree that we should not be held responsible for the sins of Adam and Eve, but I have been told that this is the case and it has never made sense to me. Now you tell me that we are "sinners" because it is our nature. Since "sin" is mostly defined as disobedience of God, you are saying that it our "nature" is to disobey God. So you view Adam and Eve as like "Children" who's nature is to disobey God. Okay, don't you think that expelling these "children" from the garden and sentencing them to death was a little harsh for this one little act of disobedience? Would you do that with your little children? Would you throw them out of the house to certain death, for eating out of the cookie jar when they were told not to? JB Adam and Eve had the thinking capacity of adults, but they had not conceived of disobeying God. With the forbidden fruit incident, they choose to make their own choices in life, so God sent them out on their own. No matter how much you love your children, there comes a time when they want to be free and you have to set them free. |
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Perhaps you didn't get it so i will try to rephrase it. Christians, don't afford others this courtesy. I may not be what I think a Christian is; but I for one have believed that Jesus is not of Csucasan nature. I believe Him to be of a ruddy or darkend skin tone with dark hair. I believe Him to be of medium height. Brown eyes and not that good looking. He is after all a desert man. I think. Isn't He from around Iraq, Afghanistan or Iranian territory? This tells me He is a tough fellow with a strong will....maybe????? Kat |
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We are born sinners, because it's our nature. We aren't guilty of Adam and Eve's crimes.
Spider, are you a minister? I ask because I have been told by others that we are born in sin because of the disobedience of Adam and Eve, so I wonder where you get your perspective or if it is just your opinion. I agree that we should not be held responsible for the sins of Adam and Eve, but I have been told that this is the case and it has never made sense to me. Now you tell me that we are "sinners" because it is our nature. Since "sin" is mostly defined as disobedience of God, you are saying that it our "nature" is to disobey God. So you view Adam and Eve as like "Children" who's nature is to disobey God. Okay, don't you think that expelling these "children" from the garden and sentencing them to death was a little harsh for this one little act of disobedience? Would you do that with your little children? Would you throw them out of the house to certain death, for eating out of the cookie jar when they were told not to? JB Adam and Eve had the thinking capacity of adults, but they had not conceived of disobeying God. With the forbidden fruit incident, they choose to make their own choices in life, so God sent them out on their own. No matter how much you love your children, there comes a time when they want to be free and you have to set them free. I understand that, but is that so wrong? Is that to be considered a sin? Would you rather have your children stay with you for their entire lives? Maybe the disobedience was all part of God's plan after all. |
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If Jesus was a Jew, how come he has a Latino name?
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I understand that, but is that so wrong? Is that to be considered a sin? Would you rather have your children stay with you for their entire lives? Maybe the disobedience was all part of God's plan after all. Disobeidience? A sin? Yes, especially in the context. The only temptation Adam and Eve had was their own pride, it was pride, inflamed by Satan, that led to the fall. |
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If Jesus was a Jew, how come he has a Latino name?  Shut up.
Kat |
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