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wouldee Joined Sun 10/07/07 Posts: 5335	Sun 05/11/08 12:52 PM Edited by wouldee on Sun 05/11/08 12:57 PM
Miles, you did not rest yesterday, which is the Sabbath, is it not? You strove with men. Today, as every day, is the sabbath for me. I rest in the LORD. therein are we not in one accord, beloved.

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Sun 05/11/08 01:18 PM
http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/c.pl?book=Hbr&chapter=4&verse=8&version=KJV#8 This shows the original Greek for Hebrews 4:8. Notice that it says "Iesous" aka "Jesus" or "Joshua". You are right, I believe that Hebrews 4:8 is talking about Joshua son of Nun. The name was mistranslated and it makes much more sense as Joshua. It doesn't support your main argument, quite the opposite. Hebrews 4:6-7 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. The Sabbath did not bring rest to the Israelites. Hebrews 4:8 For if (Joshua son of Nun) had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. What did Joshua do? He took the Israelites into the promised land. So the promised land did not bring rest to the Israelites. Hebrews 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God [did] from his. The rest promised to the faithful is the rest we find in Jesus. Thanks Miles, that helped a lot. I already knew a couple places where KJV failed in translations, but this one was new to me.

MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Mon 05/12/08 01:06 AM Edited by MorningSong on Mon 05/12/08 01:34 AM
Hope this helps ....... http://www.inplainsite.org/html/gods_name_yahweh_or_jesus.html http://www.inplainsite.org/html/Jesus.html

Jeffreythepaperboy Joined Sun 05/11/08 Posts: 3	Mon 05/12/08 02:46 AM
The only place that Yahweh actually spoke would of been at Yahshua's baptism. This is my son in whom i am well pleased. Yahshua was not talking to himself. Everywhere else Yahshua would of spoke in the name of Yahweh..Blessings..Miles

Jeffreythepaperboy Joined Sun 05/11/08 Posts: 3	Mon 05/12/08 02:47 AM
The Burning bush Moses

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Mon 05/12/08 06:44 AM
The Burning bush Moses The story of Moses and the burning bush is in Exodus 3. EXODUS 3:2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed. So it was the angel of the LORD (YVWH) who was resting on the bush. It's important to note that "Angel" (Malach in Hebrew) means "Messenger". Exodus 3:4 And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I. When the angel of the LORD speaks, we are told it is God speaking. This same situation is seen with Abraham and Isaac. Malach Yahweh means angel of the LORD. Malach Yahweh is commonly believed to be Jesus by Christian Theologians. The reasons are many, but I will give you three. 1) When Malach Yahweh speaks, we are told that it is God speaking. 2) Where Malach Yahweh stands is holy ground. Those present are told to take off their shoes. Only God is holy. 3) Malach Yahweh does not rebuke men when they worship him. In other verses in the Bible, men would fall down to worship an angel, but the angel would say that only God should be worshipped. Malach Yahweh stands out in that regard.

Milesoftheusa Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 5122	Mon 05/12/08 11:06 AM
Wooldee Do you have any idea of what you were quoting in Isa 58?I will give you a clue Yahshua started his ministry from different scripture that Isa 58 explains to the believer. Blessings...Miles what they are talking about is the basics of obedience but goes so deep you would be wise to learn where Isa 58 came from

wouldee Joined Sun 10/07/07 Posts: 5335	Mon 05/12/08 11:43 AM Edited by wouldee on Mon 05/12/08 11:45 AM
Wooldee Do you have any idea of what you were quoting in Isa 58?I will give you a clue Yahshua started his ministry from different scripture that Isa 58 explains to the believer. Blessings...Miles what they are talking about is the basics of obedience but goes so deep you would be wise to learn where Isa 58 came from You are not listening. I said, "regarding good works", Miles. I was pointing you to that for the purposes of understanding the light of the previous scrpiture quoted for some pertinent context, which is relevant to the cause and course of your discourses. As far as "talking about the basics of obedience" goes, I fail to see how you can excuse yourself from the point of reproof and scriptural integrity in your teacings which ignore obedience to intellectual honesty. One cannot rationalize a few scriptures to overlook the others when the others are not congruent to the selective importance of a few which do not stand as credible in the light of all others. That is my point, at the least. Negligently making your doctrine sustain its own efficacy, biblically speaking, cannot stand under the scrutiny of the contradictions you present. The relevance of this discussion is Exodus 3:14 and subsequently John 14:9 which you cannot reconcile to your error. learn, grow and be at peace.