well spider this is another example of not understanding. In Hebrews 4:8 that is not JC that it is speaking about . it is speaking of Yahshua the son of Nun.


For he spake in a certain place of the seventh [day] on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
And in this [place] again, If they shall enter into my rest.
Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief.


Read that. The author is saying that God commanded the Israelites to take rest. Not on any particular day, but throughout their lives. But they wouldn't, because of unbelief.


Again you do not know who or why or what that is speaking of. He is talking about those When Yahshua took the Isralites to the promice land. Thats why Yahshua is mentioned in Heb 4:8 and David is.And it does say the 7th day. And thier were disobedient Iseralites.

Heb 4:11-13

Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience. 12 For the word of Yahweh, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.
NKJV

This is again speaking of the prphecy from Jer. that his laws would be written on our hearts and minds. You are really twisting. and the bible that has JC in it proves that Yahshua's name was throughout the NT because they messed up on who was being talked about in 4:8

Who has authority Spider Yahshua's words or a reference you found?

Pharasee Yahshua's definition. Now who was the pharasees?

Luke 13:14-17

14 But the ruler of the synagogue answered with indignation, because Yahshua had healed on the Sabbath; and he said to the crowd,"There are six days on which men ought to work; therefore come and be healed on them, and not on the Sabbath day."

15 The Master then answered him and said, "Hypocrite! Does not each one of you on the Sabbath loose his ox or donkey from the stall, and lead it away to water it? 16 So ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has bound — think of it — for eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the Sabbath?" 17 And when He said these things, all His adversaries were put to shame; and all the multitude rejoiced for all the glorious things that were done by Him
NKJV

Thier are many examples if you need more of what a pharasees is i will give them to you tommorrow. Shalom With Blessings...Miles

very clean and very well said to the points, Spider.

You are an effective apologist. and very competent.

That type of maturity and sobreity is much needed of our witness.

I wish it were so that more preachers and pastors spent the time to study as well.

I am sure you shall continue growing in wisdom and will be be testified of to be as we say, " an ordinary man doing extraordinary things".

peace and love and grace.

Nope, sorry. I think it's hilarious, you just googled that!

Sorry man, but what it says there is "Iesous", which is how "Yahshua" is written in Greek. It clearly says "Jesus" there.

Iesous is used 972 times in the New Testament...Who knew that Joshua son of Nun was so important? Sorry man, but really you aren't helping yourself. "Yahshua" isn't a magic word. Poor mutes, since they can't say "Yahshua, they will all go to hell.

Yep, I'm being sarcastic, but I already made my point, I'm just rubbing Miles face in it now.

Give it a rest! That's not a defintion of "Pharisee". I gave you the defintion. You are arguing when you know you have no ground to stand on. You know it! You aren't stupid man, quit arguing. Go back to the Bible and reject whatever spirit is telling you that if someone doesn't say "Yahshua" they are going to hell.

Bingo.

why didn't you hold out?

I have been

My time is precious to me, if someone wants to make arguments over every little point, I sometimes have to slap them around a bit. Besides, sometimes sarcasm is a great tool for pointing out flaws in another's reasoning.

What Wouldee is trying to say here is....there are 3 persons in ONE God.

ONE God....But still 3 distinct persons that make up the ONE GOD.

God is NOT 3 Gods..but 3 in ONE God.

Father... Son .... Holy Sprit...3 in ONE.


Here is way to better understand......

Let's take Wouldee for intance:

Wouldee has a physical body, a soul, and a spirit...YET there is still only ONE Wouldee...right?

In other words, there are NOT 3 Wouldee's walking around....but only ONE Wouldee...yet Wouldee is made up of 3 unique parts.....body, soul, and spirit....3 yet ONE Wouldee.

BUT......

Wouldee's Soul is NOT his Physical body , and Wouldee's spirit is NOT his Soul...yet his physical body, and his soul, and the spirit, all make up the three parts of ONLY ONE Wouldee walking around out there.

Unless he was born one of triplets.....

I certainly understand three parts to the whole, but these three parts don't have separate personalities and are not separate people.

My soul, my body and the life stream that sustains my life, (spirit stream) are all a part of me. They are not separate persons.

JB

I do not google anything. Did Yahshua have the power to change a day? Yes he could of this is talking about Yahshua the son of NUN. all newer bibles have corrected this mistake.

Heb 4:1-13

Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. 2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. 3 For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:

"So I swore in My wrath,
'They shall not enter My rest,'"

although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: "And Yahweh rested on the seventh day from all His works"; 5 and again in this place: "They shall not enter My rest." This is taliking about the difference between OT promice land and our promice land

6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, 7 again He designates a certain day, saying in David, "Today," after such a long time, as it has been said:

"Today, if you will hear His voice, Hear Hid voice Wooldee and spider . You have not because of demons processing you trying to act as angels of light.
Do not harden your hearts."

8 For if (Joshua) had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of Yahweh. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as Yahweh did from His.

11 The Word Discovers Our Condition


Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience. 12 For the word of Yahweh is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.
NKJV
You say it is like some magical word/name. No not that at all. It is called obedience. Which you rebell against. You want JC so much you will do anything he says. He is the one who has come in his own name.

Here is the whole contect of JC coming and you accepting him because of your Hardened Hearts.

John 5:41-47
1 "I do not receive honor from men. 42 But I know you, that you do not have the love of God in you. 43 I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive. 44 How can you believe, who receive honor from one another, and do not seek the honor that comes from the only God? 45 Do not think that I shall accuse you to the Father; there is one who accuses you — Moses, in whom you trust. 46 For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me. 47 But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?"
NKJV

Just who is this speaking of?

John 5:43-44
3 I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive.
NKJV

Is Peter Lying under the Holy Spirit that thie is only one name?

Acts 4:8-12

8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, "Rulers of the people and elders of Israel: 9 If we this day are judged for a good deed done to a helpless man, by what means he has been made well, 10 let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole. 11 This is the 'stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.' 12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other NAME under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."
NKJV
That name is a Hebrew name not english greek or whatever. The lying pen of the scribes have messed with you and decieved you. Out of one side you will say You must be confess JC on the other side Yahweh does not care what you call him. So JC IS SATAN. So go forth and baptise in the name of Satan he knows who you mean.

Stupid argument..miles

Miles,

I have inserted some pertinent "highlights" of your perversive use of scripture. You deceive the reader to accept that your machinations are verbatim, at the very least.


we agree, then. It is a stupid argument.

Why do you continue it?

Adding and subtracting from the source of your unrest to further your own unrest is stupid.

I don't know God as being involved in such malignant contrivations of his own Word.

You are showing that God is not capable of speaking for himself through his own Word as given.

I only see that you are viewing yourself as above the very words that you profess blamelessness in.

Inserting your restless and strife ridden contentious emotions into the context of biblical reference is alarmingly errant, Miles.

Very stupid. You destroy your own credibility without aid.


get some rest and rest from your distress.



learn, grow and be at peace.

Again you are saying calling The son of Man Satan/Helel that he is pleased with that. None of your example prove anything but a close relationship where they refered to him in a very respectful way. Show me where they ever called hiM JC in Hebrew or aramaic? Why can't you SPIDER.Thats a good name one who jumps on its prey and even eats its own. Miles

YOU ARE DECIEVED. YAHSHUA SAID ANOTHER WOULD COME IN HIS OWN

NAME AND HIM YOU WOULD ACCEPT. HE HAS COME AND HAS BEEN PLANNING

FOR A LONG TIME. HIS OWN NAME IS j-SUS (SUS MEANS SOW) ALSO HAS

COME IN YAHWEH'S NAME AS (JE-HOVAH) HOVAH MEANS

\HEBREW DICTIONARY\H (He')\havvah - HEBREW DICTIONARY\H (He')\hovah

OT:1942 hW*h^ havvah (hav-vaw'); from OT:1933 (in the sense of eagerly coveting and rushing upon; by implication, of falling); desire; also ruin:


KJV - calamity, iniquity, mischief, mischievous (thing), naughtiness, naughty, noisome, perverse thing, substance, very wickedness.



OT:1943 ho*h hovah (ho-vaw'); another form for OT:1942; ruin:


KJV - mischief.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators,

READ THE DEFINITION OF HOVAH CLOSELY.. THE JE BEFORE IT SAYS

FROM YAH OF THE HOLY NAME BUT YOU CAN NOT GO FROM YA TO JE.

THIS IS SATANS DECEPTION ON THE WORLD TO WORSHIP HIM USING HIS

NAME THE ATTRIBUTES OF SATAN.

NOW JE-SUS THE SAME WAS DONE WITH IT JUST ADDED TH ENDING AFTER

THE JE HERE IS WHAT SUS MEANS



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Bab`i*rous"sa\, Babirussa \Bab`i*rus"sa\, n. [F. babiroussa, fr. Malay b[=a]b[=i] hog + r[=u]sa deer.] (Zo["o]l.) A large hoglike quadruped (Sus, or Porcus, babirussa) of the East Indies, sometimes domesticated; the Indian hog. Its upper canine teeth or tusks are large and recurved.
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Hog\, n. [Prob. akin to E. hack to cut, and meaning orig., a castrated boar; cf. also W. hwch swine, sow, Armor. houc'h, hoc'h. Cf. Haggis, Hogget, and Hoggerel.]

1. (Zo["o]l.) A quadruped of the genus Sus, and allied genera of Suid[ae]; esp., the domesticated varieties of S. scrofa, kept for their fat and meat, called, respectively, lard and pork; swine; porker; specifically, a castrated boar; a barrow.

Note: The domestic hogs of Siam, China, and parts of Southern Europe, are thought to have been derived from Sus Indicus.

2. A mean, filthy, or gluttonous fellow. [Low.]

3. A young sheep that has not been shorn. [Eng.]

4. (Naut.) A rough, flat scrubbing broom for scrubbing a ship's bottom under water. --Totten.

5. (Paper Manuf.) A device for mixing and stirring the pulp of which paper is made.

Bush hog, Ground hog, etc.. See under Bush, Ground, etc.

Hog caterpillar (Zo["o]l.), the larva of the green grapevine sphinx; -- so called because the head and first three segments are much smaller than those behind them, so as to make a resemblance to a hog's snout. See Hawk moth.

Hog cholera, an epidemic contagious fever of swine, attended by liquid, fetid, diarrhea, and by the appearance on the skin and mucous membrane of spots and patches of a scarlet, purple, or black color. It is fatal in from one to six days, or ends in a slow, uncertain recovery. --Law (Farmer's Veter. Adviser.)

Hog deer (Zo["o]l.), the axis deer.

Hog gum (Bot.), West Indian tree (Symphonia globulifera), yielding an aromatic gum.

Hog of wool, the trade name for the fleece or wool of sheep of the second year.

Hog peanut (Bot.), a kind of earth pea.

Hog plum (Bot.), a tropical tree, of the genus Spondias (S. lutea), with fruit somewhat resembling plums, but chiefly eaten by hogs. It is found in the West Indies.

Hog's bean (Bot.), the plant henbane.

Hog's bread.(Bot.) See Sow bread.

Hog's fennel. (Bot.) See under Fennel.

Mexican hog (Zo["o]l.), the peccary.

Water hog. (Zo["o]l.) See Capybara.
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Pig\, n. [Cf. D. big, bigge, LG. bigge, also Dan. pige girl, Sw. piga, Icel. p[=i]ka.]

1. The young of swine, male or female; also, any swine; a hog. "Two pigges in a poke." --Chaucer.

2. (Zo["o]l.) Any wild species of the genus Sus and related genera.

3. [Cf. Sow a channel for melted iron.] An oblong mass of cast iron, lead, or other metal. See Mine pig, under Mine.

4. One who is hoggish; a greedy person. [Low]

Masked pig. (Zo["o]l.) See under Masked.

Pig bed (Founding), the bed of sand in which the iron from a smelting furnace is cast into pigs.

Pig iron, cast iron in pigs, or oblong blocks or bars, as it comes from the smelting furnace. See Pig, 4.

Pig yoke (Naut.), a nickname for a quadrant or sextant.

A pig in a poke (that is, bag), a blind bargain; something bought or bargained for, without the quality or the value being known. [Colloq.]
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I HAVE BEEN RIDICULED ENOUGH ABOUT THAT I WILL NOT ACCEPT THOSE

COMMON NAMES. I HEAR HE KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN..DOES HE?

DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE YAHWEH IS PROUD EVERY TIME YOU SAY THOSE

NAMES. OR MAY HE BE INSULTED? SO IF YOU WANT TO WORSHIP A PIG

AS YOUR SAVIOR. AND BELIEVE THAT IS WHAT YAHSHUA WANTS TO BE

CALLED OR IF YOU WANT TO BELIEVE THAT YAHWEH THE FATHER IS LISTENING

TO YOUR PRAYERS EVERYTIME YOU REFER TO HIM AS A REBELLER DOING

MISCHIEF. GO AHEAD. REMEMBER YOU HAVE BEEN SHOWN WHAT YOU ARE

REALLY SAYING.TRY CALLING YOUR OWN MOTHER THAT AND SEE HOW SHE

REACTS......BLESSINGS...MILES

you cannot reconcile the whole of the New Testament to surround your inept understanding of Exodus 3:14 to excuse Jesus saying that he alone speaks for the Father, which is at the heart of the matter, Miles.

You only seek to divide Jesus from himself with your arguments and declare your on credibility without sustantiating that credibility.

You enamour us with your extreme insights into the Book of Revelations, and ignore what is written therein about the Lamb of God.(the Judge of mankind)Hebrews 12:2-11.Hebrews 10:11-27.
Hebrews 8:1-2. clearly not the Father, but the Son. "the minister of the sanctuary" is not the "sanctuary" itself.

But rather Hebrews 8:10-11 says that HE is the God of a people that know HIM

Colossians 3:1-11 has this to say and is made emphatic in verse 11. Paul has authority over scripture and his teachings are incumbent upon the Church of Jesus Christ.

Col. 3 : 11.
Where there is neither greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free :
but Christ is all, and in all.

For context, here is verse 3 and 4 of the thrid chapter of Colossians, Pauls letter to the Church there.
"For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory."

and in Ephesians 1:18.
For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

and in Hebrews 12:9 which says, in part, "...shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?"

As Jesus said, "before Abraham was, I AM."

and, "my Father and I are one"


Put down the Holy Bible if you cannot believe all that it says and must only believe part of what it says.


You have to overcome Exodus 3:14 to prove your doctrine, Miles.

Scri[pture does not support the teaching that has deceived you.

Hence, we are all demons that defy you.

NOT

learn, grow and be at peace.

No Wooldee he speaks through his children. The Holy Spirit giving them direction. You seem to think it is not possible for you to be decieved by the LAWLESS ONE. I wonder why he is called that..Miles

I proved what you claim as your savior and father. Ex 3:14 is the lettere YHWH. you are the one who is so screwed on what you believe and refuse to see anything. Even after I showed you what JC and J-hovah means you are still showing your alligence to Helel.Miles

Spider says that Heb 4:8 is Jc. where or how old is the bible he is using..

Heb 4:8-11

8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.


NKJV


Heb 4:8-9

8 For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have spoken afterward of another day.

9 There remaineth therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God.
ASV


Heb 4:8-10

8 This new place of rest was not the land of Canaan, where Joshua led them. If it had been, God would not have spoken later about another day of rest. 9 So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God.
NLT


Heb 4:8-9

8 for if Joshua had given them rest, He would not concerning another day have spoken after these things;

9 there doth remain, then, a sabbatic rest to the people of God,
YLT

Any one with any scriptual knowledge of Yahshua the son of Nun bringing the Israelies into the promice land realizes this is a type (Yahshua son of Nun) to the bringing brought into the 7th day rest by Yahshua.

Funny you say it does not matter but Yahshua bringing us rest at the beginning of the 7th thousandth year makes since but you can not see we are in preparation for that time. You prepare on the 6th day to enter that rest. Just as we should be preparing for Yahshua's return. In alot of ways it is sad tradition has ahold of so many people so they twist the scripture and try to make you only believe them. Power is what it's all about..Blessings...Miles

show me where Yahshua says I am the Father.I need noone else.Miles

Miles,

When Yahshua spoke to you, God spoke to you.

God speaks only through the Son.

Always did, and always will, according to the scripture.

Reconcile yourself to the authority of that as the basis for teaching what has apprehended your spirit.

Your error hinders your growth and maturity in the things of God and you must yet reconcile scriptural integrity to grasp it's fulness and stand on the promises of God as thwey have been given and preserved.

You are causing the Holy Spirit to sleep within you until such time.

It is your soul that strives with the Spirit which is asleep in you, but not in the admonitions of others that are given to you for your correction.

All scripture is given for sound doctrine and reproof and correction, Miles.

God, through the Holy Spirit, stands accordingly to guide the Church and maintain the one accord of the Church.

2 Timothy 3:16-17.

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works."

What do you do but come here to teach and find yourself the student?


Isaiah 58: 5-11. regarding these good works, Miles.

Is it such a fast that I have chosen? a day for a man to afflict his soul? is it to bow his head as a bulrush, and to spread sackcloth and ashes under him? wilt thou call this a fast and an acceptable day to the LORD?
Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, and to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke?
Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him ; and that thou not hide thyself from thine own flesh?



Then shall thy light break forth as the morning, and thy health shall spring forth speedily : and thy righteousness shall go before thee ; the glory of the LORD shall be they rereward(not a misprint, that is the wrd, re-reward)
Then shall thou call and the LORD shall answer ; thou shalt cry, and he shall say, here I am If thou take away from the midst of thee the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and speaking vanity:
And if thou draw out thy soul to the hungry, and satisfy the afflicted soul ; then shall thy light rise in obscurity, and thy darkness be as the noon day :
And the LORD shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought, and make fat thy bones : and thou shalt be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water whose waters fail not

There is no evidence of such things in your words, Miles.

Matthew 11:29-30 (Jesus' words)
Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me ; for I am meek and lowly in heart : and ye shall have rest unto your souls.

For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light,

There is no evidence of such things in your words, Miles.

Isaiah 14 : 24-26.

The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass ; and as I have purposed so shall it stand :
That I will break the Assyrian in my land, and upon my mountains tread him under foot : then shall his burden depart from off them, and his burden depart from off their shoulders.
This is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth :and this is the hand that is stretched out upon the all the nations


These are Holy Spirit inspired words, Miles.

They are His Word given to me to share with you.

He that has ears to hear, let him hear.

he that has eyes to see, let him see.

learn. grow and be at peace.

John 14:9.

Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Phillip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how saith thou then, Shew us the Father?


I have seen him, Miles.

But the point is, that you wanted a scripture, well here is one.

There are others.

Do you not read for yourself?

Have you read and memorized John chapters 14-16 as I have asked you to do yet?

learn. grow and be at peace.