Topic: 666 - What is the mark of the Beast?
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Wed 04/30/08 03:17 PM
Edited by TheLonelyWalker on Wed 04/30/08 03:18 PM




For instance those who assure that Adan and Eve the first humans and from them all human race comes from are just fundamentalists.


Jesus believed and taught just that.

It's really hard for me to agree that Jesus did so. My Lord was way smarter than that.
We need to understand that at the point of time where my Lord came to earth the human mind (as a whole) was not ready to assimilate the concept of evolution. My Lord was smart enough to let human society figure this one out by itself. It just took us about 2000 years.
Jesus had to remain within time and culture context within which He was moving.
Why do you think he talked about sheeps and shepherds? He was not actually talking about sheeps and shepherds. He was talking about us and Him.



That was an analogy. What Jesus said about Adam and Eve was a direct statement of fact. There is no flowery language, it's just simple and to the point.

I just read the edition of your post.

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Wed 04/30/08 03:19 PM
Edited by Spidercmb on Wed 04/30/08 03:20 PM





For instance those who assure that Adan and Eve the first humans and from them all human race comes from are just fundamentalists.


Jesus believed and taught just that.

It's really hard for me to agree that Jesus did so. My Lord was way smarter than that.
We need to understand that at the point of time where my Lord came to earth the human mind (as a whole) was not ready to assimilate the concept of evolution. My Lord was smart enough to let human society figure this one out by itself. It just took us about 2000 years.
Jesus had to remain within time and culture context within which He was moving.
Why do you think he talked about sheeps and shepherds? He was not actually talking about sheeps and shepherds. He was talking about us and Him.



That was an analogy. What Jesus said about Adam and Eve was a direct statement of fact. There is no flowery language, it's just simple and to the point.

excuse me, what do u mean?
what is the direct statement of fact that my Lord made?
I got lost there.


Matthew 19:4-5

And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?


To believe in evolution, requires that you believe the first life was asexual. If evolution is true, Jesus lied.

Also if you believe in Evolution, then Adam and Eve weren't created "in the beginning". Therefore Jesus couldn't possibly be talking about marriage or humans. If Jesus was talking about marriage and humans, then he was lying. That's assuming you believe in Evolution.

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Wed 04/30/08 03:21 PM




For instance those who assure that Adan and Eve the first humans and from them all human race comes from are just fundamentalists.


Jesus believed and taught just that.

Matthew 19:4-5

And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?


Compare to:

Genesis 2:24

Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.


All this is correct, but my Lord was not referring specificly to Adan and Eve. He was talking as the human kind as whole. The human kind has males and females.
Plus the purpose of this is absolutely different. My Lord was teaching about marriage and not about creation. You see it's all a matter of the correct interpretatin of the scripture.


I know what Jesus was teaching about. But he confirmed Genesis when he taught. So Jesus was a liar. Because if Genesis 1 and 2 isn't true and Jesus confirmed that it was, Jesus is a liar.

Jesus, had to kept the same language people at that time understood in order to make them understand his point.
Science has demonstrated evolution, and the Church has accepted it as truth.

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Wed 04/30/08 03:21 PM

What do you base that on? I mean...you are claiming to understand galactic politics, various alien races techniques for taking over worlds...are you just having a laugh? There is no way that you can believe this stuff is true, because what would the original source be? It sounds like bad sci-fi to me, but I will wait patiently for our alien overlords to arrive. I guess I missed the part in the Bible about Jesus being a alien lizard.


Like I said, this is just a sketch of the over all information picture.

I don't believe the true messiah was an alien lizard. I believe he was a descendant of Adam and a true human being. The anti-christ, however, will probably not be human.

The alien information comes from several different sources. The leading edge research group, David Icke, and many other sources including cults who worship these aliens as Gods, and professors and doctors who investigate alien abductions etc. Some claim the aliens are our friends, and some claim that they are our worst nightmare.

Over all, I tend to believe that they are not our friends, although some of them are not as unfriendly as others.

JB

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Wed 04/30/08 03:25 PM
Edited by TheLonelyWalker on Wed 04/30/08 03:26 PM






For instance those who assure that Adan and Eve the first humans and from them all human race comes from are just fundamentalists.


Jesus believed and taught just that.

It's really hard for me to agree that Jesus did so. My Lord was way smarter than that.
We need to understand that at the point of time where my Lord came to earth the human mind (as a whole) was not ready to assimilate the concept of evolution. My Lord was smart enough to let human society figure this one out by itself. It just took us about 2000 years.
Jesus had to remain within time and culture context within which He was moving.
Why do you think he talked about sheeps and shepherds? He was not actually talking about sheeps and shepherds. He was talking about us and Him.



That was an analogy. What Jesus said about Adam and Eve was a direct statement of fact. There is no flowery language, it's just simple and to the point.

excuse me, what do u mean?
what is the direct statement of fact that my Lord made?
I got lost there.


Matthew 19:4-5

And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?


To believe in evolution, requires that you believe the first life was asexual. If evolution is true, Jesus lied.

Also if you believe in Evolution, then Adam and Eve weren't created "in the beginning". Therefore Jesus couldn't possibly be talking about marriage or humans. If Jesus was talking about marriage and humans, then he was lying. That's assuming you believe in Evolution.

I do believe in evolution. Jesus did not lie. The thing is that the bible has to be interpreted according to the signs of time. That is why the Bible is a book which updates itself constantly. Not just because it affect us individually according the circumstances we are living at a moment. BUt also because the interpretation and understanding of it approaches to perfection as time passes by and the study of it becomes deeper.

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Wed 04/30/08 03:27 PM


What do you base that on? I mean...you are claiming to understand galactic politics, various alien races techniques for taking over worlds...are you just having a laugh? There is no way that you can believe this stuff is true, because what would the original source be? It sounds like bad sci-fi to me, but I will wait patiently for our alien overlords to arrive. I guess I missed the part in the Bible about Jesus being a alien lizard.


Like I said, this is just a sketch of the over all information picture.

I don't believe the true messiah was an alien lizard. I believe he was a descendant of Adam and a true human being. The anti-christ, however, will probably not be human.

The alien information comes from several different sources. The leading edge research group, David Icke, and many other sources including cults who worship these aliens as Gods, and professors and doctors who investigate alien abductions etc. Some claim the aliens are our friends, and some claim that they are our worst nightmare.

Over all, I tend to believe that they are not our friends, although some of them are not as unfriendly as others.

JB


Studying "alien abductees" (or as I call them Sleep Paralysis sufferers) cannot teach anything about galactic politics or world conquering techniques. There is absolutely no way for a human to know that information without being told by an alien. It's pure balona. The US could crush 90% of the world without any effort. Why can't aliens do the same to us? What do they need us for? It makes no sense. It's bad sci-fi. At least on V, the aliens wanted us for food. But slave labor? What, do the aliens have cotton plantations? Give me a break.

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Wed 04/30/08 03:28 PM

I do believe in evolution. Jesus did not lie. The thing is that the bible has to be interpreted according to the signs of time. That is why the Bible is a book which updates itself constantly. Not just because it affect us individually according the circumstances we are living at a moment. BUt also because the interpretation and understanding of it approaches to perfection as time passes by and the study of it becomes deeper.


Jesus is the ROCK. God does not change. God's message has not changed. The BIBLE therefore does not change.

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Wed 04/30/08 03:34 PM


I do believe in evolution. Jesus did not lie. The thing is that the bible has to be interpreted according to the signs of time. That is why the Bible is a book which updates itself constantly. Not just because it affect us individually according the circumstances we are living at a moment. BUt also because the interpretation and understanding of it approaches to perfection as time passes by and the study of it becomes deeper.


Jesus is the ROCK. God does not change. God's message has not changed. The BIBLE therefore does not change.

I'm sorry spidey. I can't agree with u on this one.
The essence does not change, but the interpretation of it has to change to fit the times.

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Wed 04/30/08 03:39 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 04/30/08 03:43 PM



What do you base that on? I mean...you are claiming to understand galactic politics, various alien races techniques for taking over worlds...are you just having a laugh? There is no way that you can believe this stuff is true, because what would the original source be? It sounds like bad sci-fi to me, but I will wait patiently for our alien overlords to arrive. I guess I missed the part in the Bible about Jesus being a alien lizard.


Like I said, this is just a sketch of the over all information picture.

I don't believe the true messiah was an alien lizard. I believe he was a descendant of Adam and a true human being. The anti-christ, however, will probably not be human.

The alien information comes from several different sources. The leading edge research group, David Icke, and many other sources including cults who worship these aliens as Gods, and professors and doctors who investigate alien abductions etc. Some claim the aliens are our friends, and some claim that they are our worst nightmare.

Over all, I tend to believe that they are not our friends, although some of them are not as unfriendly as others.

JB


Studying "alien abductees" (or as I call them Sleep Paralysis sufferers) cannot teach anything about galactic politics or world conquering techniques.


I don't make these conclusions based on the study of alien abductees. I just gather information about the different kinds of life forms living in this reality from as many different sources as I find.

There is absolutely no way for a human to know that information without being told by an alien. It's pure balona.


Remote viewing. bigsmile



The US could crush 90% of the world without any effort. Why can't aliens do the same to us?


They could destroy this earth completely if they wanted to.(Or so they claim.) But they want the earth in tact for Galaxy trade purposes. They also want some living human bodies (slaves) on it who will cooperate with them without much resistance.



What do they need us for? It makes no sense. It's bad sci-fi.


For slaves, but mostly for our bodies. (They want to use our DNA to engineer better bodies for themselves.)


At least on V, the aliens wanted us for food. But slave labor? What, do the aliens have cotton plantations? Give me a break.


They also want us for food. Don't humans use animals for both beasts of burden, and food? What ever we are good for. But it is also a spiritual war. They want our spiritual energy.

JB

P.S. Not all of the lizards (aliens) are meat eaters, some are even vegetarians I understand.





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Wed 04/30/08 03:59 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 04/30/08 04:09 PM
Note:

I have very little first hand knowledge of actual physical aliens. I also have no desire to, and therefore I usually avoid people who claim to have been abducted, although I have met a couple...(two or three)

Most of my information is gathered from books, and from people and from the Internet, or from personal experience of seeing UFO's and/or cattle mutilation scenes.

It is confusing because some of these "Sleep Paralysis sufferers" are dealing with non-physical dimensions and beings. I did have a brief experience with this myself once and I knew it was not a physical abduction, but rather other dimensional.

I used my will to move just one of my fingers on one of my hands and I broke the paralysis and regained full consciousness. So I do understand this type of experience. It is unlike a dream. I was fully awake in mind, but in body, asleep. Robert Monroe calls that state of consciousness "level 10."

I'm not jerking your chain here. I speak the truth. Call me delusional if you want. It does not matter to me.

JB

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Wed 04/30/08 08:57 PM
spider:

flowerforyou

I will address more than one thing in this post, accordingly.

First off...

I'm not sure what you mean by "indicative" in this context. But Feral is absolutely correct that the lack of the word "rapture" does not change the events described in the Bible. The word "rapture" is used to describe a previously nameless event described by several verses in the Bible. The fact that the word "rapture" doesn't appear in the text does not change the fact that the events which define the word "rapture" are predicted in the Bible.


It is indicative of the sensationalism all too common in the pulpit.

It is indicative of the ad lib nature of pastors using the term.

It is indicative of the promotion of fear into the followers.

It is indicative of the deflection of truth.

Revelations holds no merit in my eyes. None whatsoever. Fantasy.


Concerning the numbers... interestingly enough...

Michael Gabriel is my name... 7 letters in each... my last name shall remain unknown, but it also has 7 letters... 777

Concerning JB's expressions:

laugh

None of us can truly know where another's truthes have originated or why. There are some people in my life with whom I have entertained the notion of having a conversation with that I felt completely dumbfounded after their personal reflections began to show. I love diversity, it freed me from the chains of my raising...

I do not have to agree with anyone, and that is ok! Absolutely ok!

Differences are wonderful things, even if they make no sense to me, if they do for another and good things come out of it... then it is ok by me.

It is when I have witnessed another stating false things as though they are true that it begins to be abrasive. Especially when they are of a personal nature. If one can self-substantiate the capability to assess another's character, one had better be accurate, or at least humble enough to accept it should the assessment be inaccurate.

In summary, based upon my own converations with JB, she has proven to believe in her own assessment abilities far too much. She mistakenly trusts her own judgement.

Some people trust their own judgement, when their own perceptual faculty has not been properly cultivated. I suppose we all do at one time or another.





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Wed 04/30/08 09:08 PM
How can the #7 represent perfection? All that was made or said including man is far from perfection..Shalom..Miles

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Wed 04/30/08 09:17 PM
laugh How are ya miles?

I sure as heck am not perfect, I'll tell ya that... :tongue:

flowerforyou

Perfection results only in perfection, anything less and it was not perfect to begin with.

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Wed 04/30/08 09:31 PM
Mark of the beast? Isn't it one + you?

I think it has something to do with the Devil and all that. I don't pay too much mind to prophecy of the future, I figure the problems of the day are trouble enough and I rassle with them every day. I'll let the future worry about the future, you know? Interesting to contemplate, though.

That beast guy, that's Bill Gates, you know.

And I always thought it was "47!"

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Wed 04/30/08 09:43 PM
Creativesoul said:

It is when I have witnessed another stating false things as though they are true that it begins to be abrasive. Especially when they are of a personal nature. If one can self-substantiate the capability to assess another's character, one had better be accurate, or at least humble enough to accept it should the assessment be inaccurate.



This is a strange statement and I am not sure what to make of it. It seems to imply that you are calling me a liar and it is so vague and ambiguous that I have to guess at what you are referring to, and I don't like to do that.

You, Creative, are never direct; and I suppose you fancy yourself as being diplomatic, but I view it simply as you being evasive and slippery.

I am going to have to guess what you mean by it, so I have to guess that you are still bothered by my honest impression of your character in another post.

I am not even sure if this is the case, since, like always, you are evasive, vague and suggestive.

Perhaps I don't see you as you wish to be seen and your efforts to convince me otherwise failed.


In summary, based upon my own converations with JB, she has proven to believe in her own assessment abilities far too much. She mistakenly trusts her own judgement.


I do trust my own judgment in my assessment abilities and it is not a mistake. I am honest with myself and with others about how I feel, ~~always. I am not afraid to be direct and to the point.

If my assessment is wrong, so be it wrong, but it is simply a matter of personal perceptions, but I still must be honest, and I still trust my judgment in most things.


Some people trust their own judgement, when their own perceptual faculty has not been properly cultivated. I suppose we all do at one time or another.



Here again you are indirect in your response and I have to assume you are referring to me. "Some people" is an indirect and ambiguous subject, and yet you are responding to my posts.

I absolutely loathe and distrust this kind of vague suggestive double talk. I have no respect for it.

You are suited for a career in politics perhaps, but not in diplomacy.

JB



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Wed 04/30/08 09:48 PM
Hey, you can't fight in here. This is the War Room!

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Wed 04/30/08 10:03 PM
laugh noway noway Whoanoway noway laugh

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Wed 04/30/08 10:04 PM
huh

JB...

You take things too personally between you and I. Yes, it is true that our previous conversation(s) was few of many that have spurred those expressions by myself.

Evidently it bothers you, although you just claimed that it bothered me. huh I assure you that another's inaccurate perceptions of me constitute my redirection attempts. If those fail, then so be it.

I know not how to guide one such as yourself, who has and evidently based upon this last post, will continue to substantiate their wrongful perception of my intent and/or character based purely by their own prior feelings.

JB, I am not the source of your negative feelings. I simply reminded you of a button that previously existed within yourself, long before meeting me, if I were to guess.

I harbor no ill-will towards you.

Why guess why? I clearly state why, should you listen.

Your assumptive, and persecute my character according to whomever I remind you of.

Your ex, if I had to guess based upon our prior exchanges.

What's my name? Not your ex's, I garauntee you that.

Your reflections are clear to me, based upon your assumptions and reactions, which are definitively structured within the content of your expressed language mannerisms.

You got me all wrong dear... I wish you peace within, not anguish...

Sorry you feel that way.

flowerforyou


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Wed 04/30/08 10:23 PM
Remember where 666 is it says it is the # of a man.. Man was made on the 6th day..Shalom...Miles

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Wed 04/30/08 10:25 PM
Edited by MirrorMirror on Wed 04/30/08 10:25 PM
nowaywhoanoway