adj...lol what a JSH party for him at a strip club??? lol . the kid wouldn't even go to hooter's with em because he didn't want mom to see him checking boobs out lol

i like the way you think sub. i will let you live in my country when i take over lol...although fanta is debateable lol

It would be a pleasure to live in your country! Finally, where people will take responsibility for themslves instead of having somebody take care of them. This is life, sometimes tough and sometimes not, and we all learn from our mistakes. That to me is the only way to learn. when you are shocked when you put your finger in the light socket, you wont put it in there again. Same with life, when something has horrible reprocussions(?) we learn not to do them again.

"There are 400,000 registered sex offenders in the United States, and an estimated 80 to 100,000 of them are missing. They're supposed to be registered, but we don't know where they are and we don't know where they're living.

Acquaintance perpetrators are the most common abusers, constituting approximately 70-90% of all reported perpetrators.

Recidivism rates range from 18-45%. The more violent the crime the more likelihood of repeating.

3 in 10 child victimizers reported that they had committed their crimes against multiple victims: they were more likely than those who victimized adults to have had multiple victims.

Like rape, child molestation is one of the most underreported crimes: only 1-10% are ever disclosed.

The behavior is highly repetitive, to the point of compulsion, rather than resulting from a lack of judgment."


I had helped a few investigators trying to find a known pedophile released on bail.. We don't have bondsmen or bounty hunting here. While looking for evidence of this guys activities on the internet, I ran into an astonishing amount of footage of children on beaches, in or around bathrooms, in playgrounds and shopping centers...etc... It was usually found in the same places that you would find 'hidden camera' footage... involving youth who had a reasonable expectation of privacy while changing in a locker room or using a toilet. From what I observed? While not actually a crime..It certainly would seem to be a pastime for pedophiles to behave voyeuristically. It also could be a place where they either find their next acquaintance, or just fantasize and warm up to the thought of molesting the current ones.
As a private citizen? I would surely be talking to someone if I noticed them behaving in a strange manor in these settings.

Considering we only hear about 1 in 10 of every case? It is hard to say if we know all we could know about these peoples habits.

While I do believe that this proposed law is probably not a good idea and very possibly, a violation of Civil rights in the waiting...
I am wondering why we only have a 'video voyeurism law' in our federal criminal code (Which is punishable by up to a S100,000 fine and 1 year in prison, if you are caught on Federal Property.) that has absolutely no special provisions for footage of a minor.
Many States do not have any sort of measure against this activity at all... Whether it involves a minor or not.

In my opinion.. The law makers would be making better use of their time if they took a deeper look into this phenomena.

people need to learn that we have choices in everything we do. we may not like the choices but we have choices. i have been through hell and back in my life but blaming others doesn't do me any good. i take responsiblitily for my own actions and learn and become stronger for things. people these days use bad things as a crutch and think the world owes them. sorry there are reasons people act the way they do but they aren't excuses. i'm protective of my loved ones but i know my son won't be under my care forever. all i can do is hope i taught him well enough to be a man. but sorry...looking at someone doesn't mean they are going to do something. hello mcfly. and if someone wanted to harm my child...at least i would be there to try to stop it or give the cops the info. if you don't watch your kids...how can you do that. it's sad that i look out for the neighborhood kids more than their parents. it's not their fault that the parents can't be bohered and i'll be damned if i sit back and let the kids suffer for it..


shall i come off my soap box now???? lol i kinda like it up here

I think I am in love!!!!!!!

I agree jist. but how many aren't registered is what worries me. anything that harms a child should have cop involvement. my problem with this law is who decides who is looking at someone too long or what is on their minds.


BTW....LOVE the pic of you too

now me, I do not \agree with the registration process, because simply put it is a punishment after the fact. They have served their time, according to definition they are rehabilitated (I know they arent in reality) and they are supposed to be free upon release. register while on parole? Yes that would be fine, but once they arew completely off parole and out of jail, etc. we need to shut up and leave them alone as they have done their time and served their punishment. NOW... I believe the registration SHOULD be available for law enforcement to have, just not the general public. That way, law enforcement can know who is in the neighborhood, so to speak, if something happens.

BUT, like my neighbor. He has to register for something like fourty years cause he is eighteen, his girlfriend was seventeen and her parents found out they were sexually active, thus pressed charges.
As far as I am concerned he did nothing wrong (it WAS consentual and not date rape), but now he is branded for life, caus ehe and his girlfriend decided to have sex, and her parents did nto like him.

Yea, it is kinda scary. We only hear about 1 to 10% of it.. So.. there are probably quite a few more then we realize running about out there... and a quarter of the ones we do know about are missing.



Yea..but without making 'thought' a crime... That probably won't work out too well.

What I am bringing into the conversation actually involves an act. An act that in many places is not a prosecutable crime.



Thanks.. But apparently some of our less observant posters have mistaken me for lilith.. and I've had some errr.. 'interesting' overtures as a result.

lol opps.

i agree that crimes hurting anyone should be prosecuted to the fullest. especially the crimes where the victim can't defend themselves. you can't fix rapists etc because it is a crime of power and control. even cutting "it" off doesn't work because they will find a new source to use.

Michigan
§ 750. 520b et seq.
Third-degree criminal sexual conduct is sexual penetration with someone between age 13 and 16. Punishable by up to 15 years in prison.

If she was 17 and he was 18?

According to Michigan State law? He commited no crime.

age of consent in Texas is 17. but I agree with registering. don't do the crime if you can't do the time and registering is part of the time. and since the real ones can't be rehabed...i want to know if they are near my kid.

jist, you make a very valid point that the resources of the gov't could be used in better places, the problem I have is with that "the law has absolutely no special provisions for footage of a minor." While the leering at a defenseless child maybe the most offensive act, what makes it any worse than spying on a woman in a changing room? They are both invasions of privacy and decency and would not put one above the other.

I do not want to question you about the facts, but I noticed that you put your opening statement in quotes. Was that because they came from the Dept of Justice or a psychological study of somekind. Don't get me wrong, the acts of a pedophile need to be dealt with harshly, but there needs to be a logical system of punishment for the crime and that would be an entirely new thread. But if so many acts of pedophilia go unreported, how do they get the recidivism rates that they do? When sexual crimes are punished more severly than other offenses, how come the recidivism rates keep going up? Is the act of pedophilia genetic or is it nurtured? Sexual crimes are horrible for the victims, but the unsubstantiated accusations are even worse. Talk to any falsely accused school teacher who gave a bad grade to a student, and you will see the true power that a child holds in their hands. The law is a powerful tool that people seem to throw around willy nilly, and don't know the full extent of the damage that is caused by a false accusation.

There are some holes in the logic of the registration process... Often people do get caught up in the system who may not actually need to be there.
Sex offenders are less likely to re-offend then other violent offenders. Statistically 43% of sexual offenders recidivate... As opposed to 68 percent of non-sex offenders.
However.. Sexual offenders are four times more likely to commit a sex crime upon release from prison then non-sex offenders.

Sorry..
My Sources.
The international epidemiology of child sexual abuse. Finkelhor, D. 1994.
Studies by the state of Washington.
BJS Survey of State Prison Inmates, 1991.
FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin.
Dr. Ann Burges, Dr. Nicholas Groth, et al. in a study of imprisoned offenders.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crimoff.htm#sex


It is relatively easy to compute the recidivism rate of those known... without tracking the unknown.
However.. you do bring up a valid point that to truly study the habits and acquire a better understanding of the whole social dynamic... Better reporting could only help. Not to mention that it would help get them off the streets.

between this, and our new seatbelt law, and the patriot act probable cause is kinda going right out the window. People need to see what is REALLY happening here.

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither safety nor liberty. - Banjamin Franklin

can you explain what you mean by what is really happening here? sorry...allergy meds are slowing the brain down here lol

basically the government is doing things like, weeding out the middle class, and slowly taking away our rights. This grants them more control. Societies have worked like this for centuries. There is a reason our forefathers gave us the bill of rights. We are supposed to control the government not the other way around. When we can no long drive down the road, or wait for our daughters, or be of a certain ethnic decent without being thrown into jail or illegally searched, we are losing our rights and our control. Sorry to get long winded. But just think about it for a bit. Seriously, fear is a very effective tool when it comes to people giving away their rights.

I agree with you drivin...which is why in this topic I feel parents need to step it up and watch their kids better. I don't think it's all fear that does it though...I think some is laziness and the feeling that they come before their own kids. If my son did something...yes he would have to pay for what he did...but I would accept some responsiblity too. when he is 18 then all I can do is hope I gave him the values and morals he needs to be a man. people want everyone else to do the job for them. like this law...the cops have real crimes to investigate and not answering calls because someone looked too long at a child. If someone looked too long at my child or look inappropriatly at him...then mom here will step in. I won't directly confront him but will make it known that his mom is around and not try anything. people give up rights because they don't care or lazy to take responsibility or control over our government so the governement can come in and take control.

people need to grow a spine or get off their butts and do something

All I know is that this law is the craziest **** I have ever heard. I will look at whatever I want, whenever I want, for as long as I want and so should you.

personally, I hate it when people stare. I think it's rude and annoys me, but it's not illegal. the cops shouldn't have to step in and say ...don't stare over a certain time limit. that's just stupid. I'm more than capable of handling someone that stares or if I think something isn't right when my child is concerned...you can bet this mom will step up