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Topic: the crime of visual sexual aggression
adj4u Joined Sun 04/08/07 Posts: 21254	Sat 04/19/08 09:09 AM
The proposed law may seem extreme, but I do agree with its intent - to protect children. You can argue your "freedom" all you want, but I think children need to be protected from these pedophile monsters. and here we go...... Yep, here we go. I agree with your side where there might (or will) be people falsely accused. On the other hand, do you not agree that saving a child from being molested is a good idea? oh doesn't but the cost will outweigh the benefit it is better fo tenquity to go free than one innocent to be jailed thomas jefferson

Single_Rob Joined Mon 02/04/08 Posts: 8233	Sat 04/19/08 09:10 AM
The proposed law may seem extreme, but I do agree with its intent - to protect children. You can argue your "freedom" all you want, but I think children need to be protected from these pedophile monsters. and here we go...... Yep, here we go. I agree with your side where there might (or will) be people falsely accused. On the other hand, do you not agree that saving a child from being molested is a good idea? Of course children not getting molested is a good thing but this is not the issue here. This is a matter of with this law being passed. What then constitues as leering or watching children. For example. I like to people watch. I like to see how people think and act. It helps me understand the human mind a little more. So a lot of times I will go to a public park or a mall and just grab a bench and see what I can find. Now obviously I am not scoping out bathroom areas or anything like that like this guy was. But under this law that park and mall are public places and if I happen to look at some kid I could be arrested even though my intentions are purely psychology based. (I am a criminal justice/psychology student for the record.) You can learn a lot from people by just sitting and watching. This will hurt more innocent people then it will stop guilty people I already explained how to combat this.....Burka, it is the growing fashion statement for all

Single_Rob Joined Mon 02/04/08 Posts: 8233	Sat 04/19/08 09:11 AM
The proposed law may seem extreme, but I do agree with its intent - to protect children. You can argue your "freedom" all you want, but I think children need to be protected from these pedophile monsters. and here we go...... Yep, here we go. I agree with your side where there might (or will) be people falsely accused. On the other hand, do you not agree that saving a child from being molested is a good idea? oh doesn't but the cost will outweigh the benefit it is better fo tenquity to go free than one innocent to be jailed thomas jefferson don't go quoting our founding fathers now. They didn't have a clue what they were talking about

Rathil_Thads Joined Thu 03/27/08 Posts: 2260	Sat 04/19/08 09:16 AM
The proposed law may seem extreme, but I do agree with its intent - to protect children. You can argue your "freedom" all you want, but I think children need to be protected from these pedophile monsters. and here we go...... Yep, here we go. I agree with your side where there might (or will) be people falsely accused. On the other hand, do you not agree that saving a child from being molested is a good idea? Of course children not getting molested is a good thing but this is not the issue here. This is a matter of with this law being passed. What then constitues as leering or watching children. For example. I like to people watch. I like to see how people think and act. It helps me understand the human mind a little more. So a lot of times I will go to a public park or a mall and just grab a bench and see what I can find. Now obviously I am not scoping out bathroom areas or anything like that like this guy was. But under this law that park and mall are public places and if I happen to look at some kid I could be arrested even though my intentions are purely psychology based. (I am a criminal justice/psychology student for the record.) You can learn a lot from people by just sitting and watching. This will hurt more innocent people then it will stop guilty people I already explained how to combat this.....Burka, it is the growing fashion statement for all lol while thats true I don't know if the Burka would help. The law didn't say anything about what types of clothes people were wearing. Didn't say you are only guilty if they childen are wearing next to nothing. (Which sadly parents let their children do) sighs Just said people observing young children.. That is the other thing though. People are looking for any excuse they can to have the law parent for them. The best defense against your child being kidnapped or molested is an attentive parent. Not letting your kids to by themselves. (Not saying like stay with them 24/7 but make sure they are at least with friends) Child molesters and kidnappers look for the marks by themselves that they can take without a fight or a lot of noise from other friends who may see their face. There are more prevention measures then going straight to. Aw well he didn't really do anything yet but I can tell he is going to so lets just lock him up to be safe.

adj4u Joined Sun 04/08/07 Posts: 21254	Sat 04/19/08 09:17 AM
The proposed law may seem extreme, but I do agree with its intent - to protect children. You can argue your "freedom" all you want, but I think children need to be protected from these pedophile monsters. and here we go...... Yep, here we go. I agree with your side where there might (or will) be people falsely accused. On the other hand, do you not agree that saving a child from being molested is a good idea? oh doesn't but the cost will outweigh the benefit it is better fo tenquity to go free than one innocent to be jailed thomas jefferson don't go quoting our founding fathers now. They didn't have a clue what they were talking about ok then

dae11x Joined Thu 10/25/07 Posts: 1554	Sat 04/19/08 09:19 AM
The proposed law may seem extreme, but I do agree with its intent - to protect children. You can argue your "freedom" all you want, but I think children need to be protected from these pedophile monsters. Okay, then you answer one question that was asked. A father takes his daughter to the rest rooms and is waiting for her. The police get suspicious. They don't believe him and take him away, now the daughter comes out and Daddy is gone and she is alone. What then???? I'm quite certain if the Daddy told the police he was waiting for his daughter, that they would check to see if she was, indeed, in the restroom.

Fanta46 Joined Sat 11/11/06 Posts: 29361	Sat 04/19/08 09:19 AM
Its not in my jurisdiction!

adj4u Joined Sun 04/08/07 Posts: 21254	Sat 04/19/08 09:20 AM
i am not so certain

Rathil_Thads Joined Thu 03/27/08 Posts: 2260	Sat 04/19/08 09:21 AM
The proposed law may seem extreme, but I do agree with its intent - to protect children. You can argue your "freedom" all you want, but I think children need to be protected from these pedophile monsters. Okay, then you answer one question that was asked. A father takes his daughter to the rest rooms and is waiting for her. The police get suspicious. They don't believe him and take him away, now the daughter comes out and Daddy is gone and she is alone. What then???? I'm quite certain if the Daddy told the police he was waiting for his daughter, that they would check to see if she was, indeed, in the restroom. A lot of cops are of the mentality shoot first and ask questions later. They don't care what you have to say. They would rather make an arrest and let the court system sort out who is guilty and who is innocent

adj4u Joined Sun 04/08/07 Posts: 21254	Sat 04/19/08 09:22 AM
this law creates a loop hole that will lead to anyone being picked up at anytime -- because all it will take is an accusation and off you go if this crock is passed then the accuser should be subject to 7 times what ever punishment the accused could be facing and civil suits as well for everything they have and may get

Moondark Joined Tue 11/27/07 Posts: 5866	Sat 04/19/08 09:23 AM
The proposed law may seem extreme, but I do agree with its intent - to protect children. You can argue your "freedom" all you want, but I think children need to be protected from these pedophile monsters. Okay, then you answer one question that was asked. A father takes his daughter to the rest rooms and is waiting for her. The police get suspicious. They don't believe him and take him away, now the daughter comes out and Daddy is gone and she is alone. What then???? I'm quite certain if the Daddy told the police he was waiting for his daughter, that they would check to see if she was, indeed, in the restroom. I worked in corrections and I've been around a lot of law enforcement people. I'm not so certain of that as you seem to be.

Fanta46 Joined Sat 11/11/06 Posts: 29361	Sat 04/19/08 09:25 AM
this law creates a loop hole that will lead to anyone being picked up at anytime -- because all it will take is an accusation and off you go if this crock is passed then the accuser should be subject to 7 times what ever punishment the accused could be facing and civil suits as well for everything they have and may get In Maine..........

dae11x Joined Thu 10/25/07 Posts: 1554	Sat 04/19/08 09:25 AM
The proposed law may seem extreme, but I do agree with its intent - to protect children. You can argue your "freedom" all you want, but I think children need to be protected from these pedophile monsters. Okay, then you answer one question that was asked. A father takes his daughter to the rest rooms and is waiting for her. The police get suspicious. They don't believe him and take him away, now the daughter comes out and Daddy is gone and she is alone. What then???? I'm quite certain if the Daddy told the police he was waiting for his daughter, that they would check to see if she was, indeed, in the restroom. A lot of cops are of the mentality shoot first and ask questions later. They don't care what you have to say. They would rather make an arrest and let the court system sort out who is guilty and who is innocent That is unfortunate then. I'm done with this topic. I voiced my opinions, and I respect of all of yours.

Rathil_Thads Joined Thu 03/27/08 Posts: 2260	Sat 04/19/08 09:26 AM
this law creates a loop hole that will lead to anyone being picked up at anytime -- because all it will take is an accusation and off you go if this crock is passed then the accuser should be subject to 7 times what ever punishment the accused could be facing and civil suits as well for everything they have and may get Well its not even that so much. People may not even use this as an accusation. It can also be used as a loophole for cops to pick up anyone that looks suspicious. If there is a child in the area. The cops could walk up to anyone on the street and say he saw them observing the child and make an arrest. Which then leads to searching of the person and any personal belongings they have on them without a warrant. This law would be abused by people and police alike

adj4u Joined Sun 04/08/07 Posts: 21254	Sat 04/19/08 09:26 AM
this law creates a loop hole that will lead to anyone being picked up at anytime -- because all it will take is an accusation and off you go if this crock is passed then the accuser should be subject to 7 times what ever punishment the accused could be facing and civil suits as well for everything they have and may get In Maine.......... some place has to be first i know you do not expect it to stop there if it starts

Fanta46 Joined Sat 11/11/06 Posts: 29361	Sat 04/19/08 09:27 AM
Its a local law! When they talk about making it a Fed law, call me!

adj4u Joined Sun 04/08/07 Posts: 21254	Sat 04/19/08 09:27 AM
this law creates a loop hole that will lead to anyone being picked up at anytime -- because all it will take is an accusation and off you go if this crock is passed then the accuser should be subject to 7 times what ever punishment the accused could be facing and civil suits as well for everything they have and may get Well its not even that so much. People may not even use this as an accusation. It can also be used as a loophole for cops to pick up anyone that looks suspicious. If there is a child in the area. The cops could walk up to anyone on the street and say he saw them observing the child and make an arrest. Which then leads to searching of the person and any personal belongings they have on them without a warrant. This law would be abused by people and police alike go up a few posts lol

Rathil_Thads Joined Thu 03/27/08 Posts: 2260	Sat 04/19/08 09:28 AM
this law creates a loop hole that will lead to anyone being picked up at anytime -- because all it will take is an accusation and off you go if this crock is passed then the accuser should be subject to 7 times what ever punishment the accused could be facing and civil suits as well for everything they have and may get Well its not even that so much. People may not even use this as an accusation. It can also be used as a loophole for cops to pick up anyone that looks suspicious. If there is a child in the area. The cops could walk up to anyone on the street and say he saw them observing the child and make an arrest. Which then leads to searching of the person and any personal belongings they have on them without a warrant. This law would be abused by people and police alike go up a few posts lol whoops sorry. missed that

BobbyJ Joined Fri 02/22/08 Posts: 1368	Sat 04/19/08 09:31 AM
I completely agree with efforts to reign in child predators, but this is going way too far. The danger is clear and that's that many innocent men and women will be wrongly convicted. Imagine a woman looking at a child on the beach (or anywhere) only thinking the child "cute". That woman would be liable to be arrested, too! It's a short step to apply this law to other "potential" crimes. Imagine sitting in your car across the street from a bank. Dare you look at the bank building for fear that you may be arrested for plotting a robbery? In a store while shopping, look at an item too long and be arrested for plotting to shoplift? Walk down the street admiring homes only to be arrested for plotting burgleries? A spouse gives a mean look and he/she is arrested for domestic violence? Give an "interested" eye and smile to a woman or man and be arrested for sexual assault? You can apply "looks" to anything!!! It is but the first law that will likely be applied, eventually, nation-wide. It will serve as a precedence to expand into everything an individual might look at. To avoid arrest, everyone will have to start wearing sun glasses both day and night and look at things out of the corners of your eyes (cause for making sun glasses illegal?). While we're at it, we'll need to begin now to start building new prisons to hold just about everyone who has eye sight.

Lindyy Joined Tue 01/01/08 Posts: 2699	Sat 04/19/08 09:31 AM
I really think people/the police can differentiate between a parent/relative, etc. waiting for a child to exit the public rest rooms. It is when someone is constantly lurking around and acting in a suspicious way that the police need called. How do you think most child abductions/molestations occur? The sicko has been watching school grounds, play grounds, malls, etc. NO. if it is an innocent father waiting for his child, nothing will be done. The police are a bit more intelligent that just up and arresting someone for standing outside a public restroom. Charges do not stick until it has gone before a judge/jury and the person found guilty via our legal system. Lindyy