If God created time and space, he must live outside of
time and space. Thus he is non-existent.

Rebuttal?

If He was non existent He couldn't have created it.

Exist (Ex*ist") (?), v. i.
[imp. & p. p. Existed; p. pr. & vb. n. Existing.]
[L. existere, exsistere, to step out or forth, (as in front of the senses mz) emerge, appear, exist; ex out + sistere to cause to stand (before the senses, mind and soul mz), to set, put, place, stand still, fr. stare to stand: cf. F. exister. See Stand.]


SOooooo..... To be as a fact and not as a mode; to have an actual or real being, whether material or spiritual.

Or.......... To be manifest in any manner; to continue to be

So I would say yes he does exist. Since he is the maker, and being known rules set for us do not have to be set for him. The Creator.

Your statement rebutted itself.



If God is alive, he must exist.

It seems that you are ignoring the possiblity that God exists in another spacetime than our universe. God's spacetime in infinite, while ours is finite.

If everything must have been created, then God must have been created as well. If God is not created, then everything mustn't have a creator, so why should life or cosmos have one?

replace live with be

The flaw in man is we have learned and lived to know there is always a beginning and an ending. That is why we are man, because our minds can not understand anything past then what we know or have learned.


God has always been. With him there is no beginning and ending. We has humans can not accept or understand always been.

double post sorry.

That's not true. You are taking the laws of our universe and imposing them onto another. God's timespace doesn't have to function under the same laws as our timespace.

So the argument is we as humans are not smart enough to understand God? ok....that's your belief, but that does not satisfy me. I simply cannot accept that.

when Abraham asked god "who are you?" god answered "I am what I am..."
Therefore, god is popeye....and everyone knows popeye exists....

Okay..."he must be" is no better. Your statement still rebutts itself. Your statement cannot assume the existance of God and deny the existance of God, that is a self-refuting statement.

god is omnipresent

lol

That is why we are humans and not like god. We are not anywhere near the knowledge that god holds. Trying to compare Humans to Gods Knowledge is like And Ant, ""being a very smart insect"" to Albert Einstein.

Y'all are dealing with issues that are currently, perhaps forever, unanswerable through science. So what came first, the chicken or the egg?

I am that I am. I exist, because I exist. God is the self suffient one, God does not need anything outside of God to exist. I believe that part of God's being is an infinite spacetime. So while we live within a finite spacetime which is seperate from ourselves, part of God's nature is infinite spacetime.

God knows everything right? He knows what he will do in the
"future" (in any dimension, not necessary the time dimension).

He must have known that from the very start of his own existence. That would mean God's actions are predestined. God is tied by faith, he has no free will. And if God has no free will God is not
omnipotent.

I am done, chew on it a while.

are you sure there's a god. i think the alien's created us.