I am all for a separation of church and 'Planet'.

Driven, I am not going by speeches I am reading what he is actually saying in HIS OWN WORDS: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul148.html

If you can't see it your way to close to it. And Driven, I am no body's supporter. I won't agree with everything one president does or says. In fact I think Obama is just as indoctrinated in Christianity as the next guy, so I don't expect him to have views that are in line with my own, nor did I expect if of Bush of Clinton or Reagan or the first Bush. And frankly with the domination of the Christian church in politics I don't expect any president to be honest about how they really feel about Christianity or religion of any kind. You can bet that no wanna be president will ever say he is agnostic or atheist and win, because people would freak out.

Does this mean I don't like other things that Paul has said, no, but there aren't enough for me to vote for him as a president. If that makes me the other side, so be it, to me it just means I see thing differently than you guys that like Paul exclusively.

So the fact that he wants people to be allowed to freely express their religion means that he is bringing religion into politics?

I ask, should muslim children not be allowed to pray at school when his or her religion requires?

All Ron Paul was asking for is tolerance. Did anyone else see anything different?

So Justin & I are on a break. Lately I felt like he was more distant and recently he said he misses the days when he could go to clubs, and drink, and smoke without worrying about calling me or my reaction. So I said he needed to take time off and figure out if he wants to party or be in a serious relationship!
Was this a bad idea? and...
Im I wrong for asking him to not go to a club every weekend (He still goes sometimes) and spend a little more time with me?

"Read my lips, no new taxes". An infamous quote by George H. W. Bush at the 1998 Republican National Convention. After elected Bush raised taxes. In 1992, Bush lost his bid for re-election which I believe can be partially or mostly due to this broken promise.

Flash ahead to September 12th, 2008 and Barack H. Obama.

"I can make a firm pledge," he said in Dover, N.H., on Sept. 12. "Under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes."

He repeatedly vowed "you will not see any of your taxes increase one single dime."

"Now in office, Obama, who stopped smoking but has admitted he slips now and then, signed a law raising the tobacco tax nearly 62 cents on a pack of cigarettes, to $1.01. Other tobacco products saw similarly steep increases."

Joe Biden: "No one making less than $250,000 under Barack Obama's plan will see one single penny of their tax raised," Joe Biden said, "whether it's their capital gains tax, their income tax, investment tax, any tax."

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D979POSG0&show_article=1


Good luck Obama supporters in defending this one.

Illegals do not get benefits from the government so that is not accurate.

If the employers here would stop hiring them they would not come here.

Bush let the problem go so long no one wants to be associated with the mess.

Geithner didn't want the job. They can't get him any assistants because no one else wants the job either. Who would want that job?

I remember that one - where they ate mice? Wasn't the guy who played Freddy Kruger (Nightmare on Elm Street) in that one.

That was a good show.

Ok bare with me here.

Many of you are concerned about government involvement in schools, well the thing is I have never known it to be any other way, and I am almost 60 years old. Why is it such a feared thing all of a sudden?

I am 35, I went to a very good public high school, and I have been fighting against the public school monopoly since I was 17. The reason why is because those aunts and uncles that were not factory workers or construction workers were teachers. Including one uncle who chose to teach in the Detroit school system for the challenge of it. The public school systems in big cities are almost always a disaster, and our nation's youth deserve better.


You guys also say you are concerned about finances and the cost of education so why are we making things so complicated with private, charter etc. I don't understand why we would have to have so many options for parents to deal with. Dont we want a society where people learn to live together in some sort of harmony?

Private schools do not receive much tax support. They generally provide the best education, with some operating at much lower cost than a public school, or even a charter school.

Charter Schools are a hybrid between public schools and private (not religious) schools. Here in Michigan a Charter school receives a little more than half as much money per student as a public school. The difference between what the State (tax payers) give to charter schools and public schools goes to public schools to help offset the lost 'revenue' from the child attending a charter school. Charter schools tend to have medium quality education, being better than many public schools and nearly all big city schools. The state maintains significant control over the charter schools, including limiting the number of students who can attend a charter school. However, they do have a little more freedom than a public school.

Public schools are fully funded by the State, and heavily regulated by the State, as well as the NEA. Public school quality varies drastically by school, with big city schools have horrible educational quality. This results in poor inner city kids receiving a terrible education.



Why not have public schools where the education is equal to a private school. It seems to me that it's not 'always' better to have more choices, it's more confusing and more difficult for parents and the kids, no? Not to mention unequal due to finances and geography.


You are right, it is more confusing and difficult to have several schools to choose from. However, the public school monopoly in big cities has been an abject failure for decades, even though they get more funding per pupil. If the public schools were working, this would just be an academic discussion between libertarians, not an issue of growing importance and popularity with both democrats and republicans.


Everyone is so worried about what their particular children are going to be exposed to. To me that is strange, because in the end these kids need to be aware of reality, it's no wonder we adults don't understand each other, we have all been separated by our own parents fears of this or that, so we grow up already disliking half of society.

I agree that some students are being sheltered to much, but that is a tiny minority. The schools which are going to face the most competition from school vouchers are the big city schools where most of the kids families are poor or lower middle class. In schools like these, teachers are told to take self defense classes before their first day. Kids have to dodge and hide from gangs, even in the younger grades. Knives, guns, and drugs are a constant presence. More than half the students who enroll in kindergarten in the Detroit Public School system do not graduate from high school. Of those who do graduate, more than 20% are illiterate. This is a national disgrace.


I went to both catholic school and public school, in 9th grade I was in public school twiddling my thumbs literally because I already knew the material. So yes catholic school was more advanced, but tell me why public school can't be as well. And why do these charter schools pull money away from public schools. Oh and what the heck is a charter school anyway?

When I was completely out of school and on my own I discovered what I did not learn in catholic school and frankly that bothered me, it's as if my parents did want me to learn certain things like things about science, so I would be completely unprepared for an adult conversation about such things. I sometimes think we are all at fault for the way society is today, paranoid and frankly a bit off our rockers in some ways.

Every school, and every teacher has biases which affect the education of their students. There is just as much indoctrination in public schools as in private schools. It is just a different agenda being pushed.


Everyone is so concerned about indoctrination but that can be said about private schools and heck you can be indoctrinated in your own home. I know I was.

The question really was why would you be so insensitive to say you want him to fail knowing it would hurt a lot of americans. We already know they assume Obama is going to turn our country into socialism, it's not like we haven't heard it every day since he became president.