Wow,that's interesting,and I can see how it would fit too,cause alot of Scorpios and Sagittarius I know are exactly like snakes,(sly ECT) ,and yeeeaah,I some times fit that description!

You are right, there is indeed a 13th sign, that was left out when they did the Gregorian calender thing. It is the Snake and if I remember correctly, it is in between Scorpio and Sagittarius. Meaning Scorpio period will be shorter. Most beginning & end dates for star signs will shift a bit.

Hmmm I would give up my vibrator .. Laughing but hopefully we can still find a use for it

No, I'm saying that you should not have to give up anything, unless it is something that you both do and it benefits you both.

I have never understood why someone thinks just cause they are with someone they can change them or make them stop doing things they have enjoyed in the past.

Unless what they are doing is illegal and you had no idea that they did it I could understand... Anything beyond that, I don't feel another person has the right to tell someone how they should act,what they should do or say.

To me that is when you end up dealing with someone that has a control issue... And I would walk away from one of those really fast...

you buyin?

No. Just that. If they choose to give something up - even if that's what I'd most like to see - I want'em to do so without being forced into it.

Would I set an example? Sure. Put more salad on a plate instead of carbs? I could see me doin' that. Demand 'Change! I said so!' Not friggin' likely, even if it was the very BEST thing for them. You can lead a horse to water, you can't make it drink.

Change is an internal adjustment if it's to be positive. Love doesn't mean you always get it right. It means you try. Together.
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if it ain't fair to the 'other' party then maybe we aren't supposed to be with that 'other party'

If a person likes to go out and drink friday/saturday and veg on sunday, but i like to go play volleyball on the beach every fri/sat is it fair to that other person to ask them to give up a night with their friends and join me? or is fair to you to give up playing and join them? or would it be fairer to both of you to admit that maybe you're not right for each other, and she finds the guy that likes to go out every weekend, and i find the girl interested in playing volleyball on the weekends? I personally choose the latter

I've found that taking the guess work out of relationships is actually pretty simple.

the best advice i'd ever heard was "Be a man that says what he wants, and does what he says" it's amazing what starts happening when you follow that.

and in relation to this topic, if you are that kind of man, and she knows this when you say "i'm not giving that up" she knows she's not changing your mind, and if she can't live with it, then guess we weren't right for each other, it takes the 'bickering' and 'nagging' out it, because she will know that it won't have any effect

If i truly loved them, they wouldn't have given up anything for me, because i wouldn't ask them too.

I would totally get that if I were smoking and she didn't object, but then after we married and the partner suddenly can't tolerate something about you, then that's their bad I guess. There is always room for self improvement, and if it's more important for you to do something you like that your partner does not, and understandably so, don't you think it's a bit selfish to continue doing it rather than make a change to benefit the relationship?

Then I would gather that NFL football is more important to you than a Relationship. Hypothetically, You meet someone that is everything you want in a woman, but she has a brother that died due to a football injury, so she has a very hard time emotionally with the sport in that just seeing a football brings her much pain. She ask you to not watch it at home and not to mention it around her. What then? (Frankly, I would have a hard time giving up my Saints, but really, how important is it)

In regards to giving up your heart. If you did that, what would you love her with
. In a relationship you don't give up your heart inasmuch as two hearts beat as one.

I think you hit the nail on the head, Ms. LRN.

Guys are wired, maybe genetically, I don't know, to respond to intimidation in some fashion. Some of us may fold, but the far more common response is retaliation.

At first, it can be a challenge. I think you're pretty good at that. You present a package that's, at once, appealing and intimidating.

If he gets past that and y'all hook up, he's thrilled.

If (when?) it continues though, it changes, mutates, becomes a threat. The nice guys say, 'You deserve better.' What's in my head in that situation is, 'She's a doll, but I'll be **** if I'm going to have to constantly slay dragons to keep her. There are more pretty fish in the sea and some of'em got fewer teeth.' The reward must at least equal the effort, y'know?

Guys are nutz and we send mixed signals. Challenges are thrilling, continued challenge equals a threat. If you've got him, decide what you're willing to do to keep him.