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Thu 09/04/08 05:46 AM
The problem is not the desire to know about information like this. The problem is the fact that stuff like this is all people like you care about to seek out on oppositional candidates of who you are supporting.\

Republicans do it to.

John Kerry runs.
Republican's say "He through his medals away, he is unpatriotic"
When in fact true patriotism is to challenge the establishment and try to change ruling powers based on something you believe to be right. John Kerry did this.

The problem is this is the debate... And the more we play these games the less we will actually know about the philosophic governmental beliefs of our candidates.

If it continues people will be making their mind up based on if they want a horrible mother vice president or a Muslim America hating black man as president.

Neither of which in my opinion is true of either candidate.

Now I know the issues, and I can't stand either candidate, I'll be voting for Bob Barr or Chuck Baldwin. But people need to learn the issues so we can hold these people to a actual standard on policy.

For instance, Bush basically won the last 2 races because he was the candidate people would like to have a beer with and appeared the most christian. The issues didn't matter.


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Thu 09/04/08 05:11 AM
Although, I do agree with the avatar picture you have depicting Pres. Bush as Adolf Hitler.

After a Terrorist attack on parliament, a country comes together based on "National Security"

"An evil exists that threatens every man, woman and child of this great nation. We must take steps to insure our domestic security and protect our homeland." ~ Adolf Hitler 1922.

Because of this attack, Germans gave up many of their freedoms, it became "unpatriotic" to question government and due to all the rhetoric spat out by Hitler the people were willing to go to war to fight "evil".

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Thu 09/04/08 05:04 AM
People who float stuff like this around whether its true or not, are people who support someone and don't know why. The whole "lesser of 2 evils" debate, "who can paint the opposing side in the most negative light" is just the product of 2 sides fighting each other who both offer nothing.

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Thu 09/04/08 03:57 AM
I was recently asked to back up my claims, here it is.

Part 1 -Facts to support my first statement that both sides want larger federal government.

1. In the first five years of the Bush regime, federal spending increased 45%.

2. during the eight Clinton years nominal federal spending increased 32%

3. Under Bush I federal spending increased 23% in four years.

Democrats at least talk about increasing the size and scope of federal government. Republicans on the other hand campaign on cutting spending and shrinking federal government, yet no recent republican president has achieved this. Was it problems in congress? Sometimes, but the first 5 years of Bush jr's presidency he more than doubled the department of education and started many new bureaucracy's such as Department of Homeland Security and TSA.
Part 2 - Both sides desire America as an Empire.

1. Reagan - Lebanon, Grenada and the escalation of the Cold War.
2. Bush Sr. - Operation Desert Storm, Persian Gulf War, Panama.
3. Clinton - Kosovo War, Operation Desert Fox, Operation Desert Strike, Operation Uphold Democracy, Battle of Mogadishu.
4. Bush Jr. - Afghanistan, Operation Iraqi Freedom and potentially "Protect Georgia" and "Operation Iran is Evil".

These are just wars and international conflicts we have used our military in. If we actually list other things such as NAFTA and other international imperialistic programs and treaty's the list would be too large.

Part 3 - Each side ignores our national deficit as if it doesn't matter.

Seriously, just re watch the Republican and Democratic debates... Only Mike Gravel, Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul even mention it... And the subject is not addressed by the others. Or even watch their conventions and campaign speeches.

Part 4 - This is getting too long, I wont go too far in but here ya go.

1. "Fourth Amendment: guards against searches, arrests, and seizures of property without a specific warrant".

The patriot act, is going against this 100%. It is not an amendment of the constitution, therefor is illegal. The constitution is a contract the government has with us, and many people have been jailed illegally.

Part 5 - Our freedoms.
Our Government is starting to make decisions and laws based on personal choices and habits "for our own good".

1. Seatbelt laws - Wow, lol this cracks me up. Some people with older crappy cars their seat belts are uncomfortable, some people are overweight. Should this law really exist, well its for our own good.

2. Motorcycle helmet laws - Most helmets limit your peripheral vision, some people feel their head isn't as free to move to turn and look in different directions.... And most people ride motorcycles as a way to relax and enjoy themselves and like the breeze running through their hair. Wearing a helmet is more safe yes, but do we want government requiring us to be safe.

3. Marijuana - I can't stand the taste, smell or effect of weed. But I will argue to the grave an adults right to smoke a harmless plant. This law started showing up in the late 1930's, and the effects since the strong "drug war" enforcement of the 80's, we see are very much like what happened during prohibitions with alcohol. Did you know a large portion of our country even when it was under control of England did drugs like Weed and Opium? Guess how much crime was affiliated with it? I don't know actually lol, I can't find any. Prohibition and the War on Drugs had the same results.

New laws to come to follow these same lines -

1. No Smoking in public. They are already stepping on the rights of businesses to allow their own customers to take part in a legal activity.

2. High Cholesterol? Over-weight? Heart Problems? Government regulated diets set forth from some huge bureaucracy are coming.

3. Climbing of trees (even on your own property. Considered child neglect. It is dangerous for children and potentially harmful for the tree.

Who knows what else, use your imagination.

Part 6 - My last accusation "Democrats = Socialist
Republicans = Fascists"

Definitions -
1. Socialism - Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.

2. Fascism - A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism.

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Thu 09/04/08 03:55 AM
Part 1 -Facts to support my first statement that both sides want larger federal government.

1. In the first five years of the Bush regime, federal spending increased 45%.

2. during the eight Clinton years nominal federal spending increased 32%

3. Under Bush I federal spending increased 23% in four years.

Democrats at least talk about increasing the size and scope of federal government. Republicans on the other hand campaign on cutting spending and shrinking federal government, yet no recent republican president has achieved this. Was it problems in congress? Sometimes, but the first 5 years of Bush jr's presidency he more than doubled the department of education and started many new bureaucracy's such as Department of Homeland Security and TSA.
Part 2 - Both sides desire America as an Empire.

1. Reagan - Lebanon, Grenada and the escalation of the Cold War.
2. Bush Sr. - Operation Desert Storm, Persian Gulf War, Panama.
3. Clinton - Kosovo War, Operation Desert Fox, Operation Desert Strike, Operation Uphold Democracy, Battle of Mogadishu.
4. Bush Jr. - Afghanistan, Operation Iraqi Freedom and potentially "Protect Georgia" and "Operation Iran is Evil".

These are just wars and international conflicts we have used our military in. If we actually list other things such as NAFTA and other international imperialistic programs and treaty's the list would be too large.

Part 3 - Each side ignores our national deficit as if it doesn't matter.

Seriously, just re watch the Republican and Democratic debates... Only Mike Gravel, Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul even mention it... And the subject is not addressed by the others. Or even watch their conventions and campaign speeches.

Part 4 - This is getting too long, I wont go too far in but here ya go.

1. "Fourth Amendment: guards against searches, arrests, and seizures of property without a specific warrant".

The patriot act, is going against this 100%. It is not an amendment of the constitution, therefor is illegal. The constitution is a contract the government has with us, and many people have been jailed illegally.

Part 5 - Our freedoms.
Our Government is starting to make decisions and laws based on personal choices and habits "for our own good".

1. Seatbelt laws - Wow, lol this cracks me up. Some people with older crappy cars their seat belts are uncomfortable, some people are overweight. Should this law really exist, well its for our own good.

2. Motorcycle helmet laws - Most helmets limit your peripheral vision, some people feel their head isn't as free to move to turn and look in different directions.... And most people ride motorcycles as a way to relax and enjoy themselves and like the breeze running through their hair. Wearing a helmet is more safe yes, but do we want government requiring us to be safe.

3. Marijuana - I can't stand the taste, smell or effect of weed. But I will argue to the grave an adults right to smoke a harmless plant. This law started showing up in the late 1930's, and the effects since the strong "drug war" enforcement of the 80's, we see are very much like what happened during prohibitions with alcohol. Did you know a large portion of our country even when it was under control of England did drugs like Weed and Opium? Guess how much crime was affiliated with it? I don't know actually lol, I can't find any. Prohibition and the War on Drugs had the same results.

New laws to come to follow these same lines -

1. No Smoking in public. They are already stepping on the rights of businesses to allow their own customers to take part in a legal activity.

2. High Cholesterol? Over-weight? Heart Problems? Government regulated diets set forth from some huge bureaucracy are coming.

3. Climbing of trees (even on your own property. Considered child neglect. It is dangerous for children and potentially harmful for the tree.

Who knows what else, use your imagination.

Part 6 - My last accusation "Democrats = Socialist
Republicans = Fascists"

Definitions -
1. Socialism - Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.

2. Fascism - A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism.




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Wed 09/03/08 01:45 PM
Both sides want the same thing, they just has differences on how to achieve it.

I revert back to my tread -

1. Both sides want larger federal government.

2. Both sides consider America ruler of the world, and want to continue spending trillions maintaining our empire no matter what the blow back is.

3. Both sides completely ignore our almost 10 trillion $ debt along with almost 45 trillion $ entitlement debt they owe us in Social Security and Medicare. They never talk about it, and its the most important political threat we have.

4. Both sides ignore the constitution at every level.

5. Both sides are working to take the rights and freedoms away from all of us... We actually have a federal seat belt law. We have special taxes on products the Government considers a sin like cigarettes and alcohol, this is a really big deal. In a free society a Government does not legislate morality, it wasn't always like this only within the last 90 years.

Democrats = Socialist
Republicans = Fascists

Change the debate.

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Wed 09/03/08 09:56 AM
Edited by Liberterian on Wed 09/03/08 10:05 AM
1. Both sides want larger federal government.

2. Both sides consider America ruler of the world, and want to continue spending trillions maintaining our empire no matter what the blow back is.

3. Both sides completely ignore our almost 10 trillion $ debt along with almost 45 trillion $ entitlement debt they owe us in Social Security and Medicare. They never talk about it, and its the most important political threat we have.

4. Both sides ignore the constitution at every level.

5. Both sides are working to take the rights and freedoms away from all of us... We actually have a federal seat belt law. We have special taxes on products the Government considers a sin like cigarettes and alcohol, this is a really big deal. In a free society a Government does not legislate morality, it wasn't always like this only within the last 90 years.

Democrats = Socialist
Republicans = Fascists

Seriously learn the ****ing issues stop arguing about the different candidates children's sex life.

Video -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG_HuFtP8w8