can umm, we get back on topic please? Im really really begging and hoping some one can help me believe building 7 fell due to any other means than what looked to be a controlled demolition.

Krystal burgers and a B vitamin. they kindda suck to throw up though

TPAY = The Person Above You

You know those annoying, mindless, time wasting posts that are hugely popular on a site such as this

Im deeply sorry this may require a tad more thinking power than the typical TPAY thread

Men "cheat" daily, several times over in our minds. Im pretty sure women do it too.

Would you be disappointed in the person above you if he/she were the person below you -in another TPAY thread- that didnt respond in the way you had hoped?

SEC just has some pretty stacked teams and always have

Big footy fan here. Licenced coach as well. Not a big fan of EPL or La Liga and European leagues in general though. I definately respect the talent but the leagues arent that competitive and fairly predictable. I prefer international competition or tournament play and huge support of the men and womens national teams. Ive watched almost every single WC game, both men and womens, from 94 to present.

No it doesnt. What I said was:

"I think it would be easy enough to eventually convince the most skeptical lay person that a plane strike could take down the towers"

This is no indication of what my beliefs are regarding how the towers fell. My statement only implies, absent any other plausible explanation or verifiable hypothesis, that a passenger jet crashing into any building has the possibility of causing a collapse.





You are correct. I have no interest in speculating on what Bush may or may not have thought during the events on 9/11.





No. Do not take words out of my mouth. Looking at the evidense of how 7 fell is inconsistent with physics and my logic. Not that my logic is infallible but I find it tough to believe a fire, a pressure wave, debris, or small earthquake 6 hours prior took building 7 down in freefall.





Buildings the towers ACTUALLY LANDED ON weren't completely destroyed. Of every angle Ive seen of building 7 before collaspe doesnt indicate "Huge structural damage from crashing towers" and certainly not akin to that of Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building after it was bombed in Oklahoma City. The blast wave of the Oklahoma City bombing was equivalent to 4000lbs of TNT. The blast measured 3 on the Ritcher scale which is over 1000 times the amount of energy of either plane impact in the reference you cited earlier. Although heavily damaged by the bomb, that building DID NOT COLLAPSE. I dont see even a raging fire burning, even for days, taking down a modern New York building. The fires seen in video footage of building 7 were pale in comparison to other modern steel framed fires of which NONE COLLAPSED. Even if these are valid and plausible explanations, none of them even combined, explain how it fell in freefall.

Yeah some 6 hours later in freefall. Buildings do not crumble in freefall. If you have proof to the contrary (not some report claiming it), lets see it. Odd thing is, other buildings in which the tower actually FELL on didnt collapse like 7 did. Its also of note that the reference you cited doesnt say jack about how "Damage To Buildings Near World Trade Center Towers Caused By Falling Debris And Air Pressure Wave". You cant cite 40 million references to debris, air pressure, and "minor earthquakes" causing 7 to fall but the FEMA report blames fires. All of it is bull**** regardless. Theres NO WAY the penthouse would fall first if the structural damage from fires on the 11-12th floor even combined with the damage from debris around the 8th floor did infact cause a collapse. Id believe that way before I believe pressure waves and minor earth quakes took a building down in a shockingly demolition style. Sorry but you will have to do better than that to convince me otherwise.

I think it would be easy enough to eventually convince the most skeptical lay person that a plane strike could take down the towers--But for building 7, theres no way in hell anyone would ever have me believe it wasnt deliberately taken down.

well **** im already -11 on points

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