...and I have deniability!

Maybe we should get together and work for the State Department giving press releases.

Good one!...I loved it.

Did Michael Corleone work for the BIS? I thought his connection was with the Vatican bank?...Oh; never mind. One bankster terrorist is the same as the next.

What's the punch line?...maybe that it isn't as hilarious as Judeo/Christian law?

Because the agenda isn't oil supply for the US; it is oil HEGEMONY and the preservation of the US petrodollar as part of the nearly completed bankster agenda for corporatist global control of the entire human race.

Don't get me started on Rand!…Too late, you have…{deleted for brevity}...and her objectivism…It's just another stupid "ism" after all.

I'll say that while I enjoyed some of her writing (if it was truly hers), I find her view of the egoist/individualist (with remarkably similar attributes in some respects to the subjectivist Nietzschian Übermensch) as expressed in her writing, not fully three-dimensional. While admirable for his independence, anarchistic self-governance, and inner strength, he falls far too short as a hero I could admire in that his snotty, selfish egoism and lack of empathy that places him at war with his socialist enemies makes him LESS than his full potential and not fully self-actualized at all. He might just as easily have been Ebenezer Scrooge before he wised up.

I wised up awhile ago. I used to play "Robin Hood" until I realised I was being unfair to the rich misers like Ebenezer and the murderous parasitic banksters & politicians I used to love to battle so much. I finally learned that it is much more effective to wage peace than to wage war, and that the easiest way to defeat an enemy is to be altruistic, and never give in to your anger & desire for vengeance. The old proverb that the best revenge is to live a good life is really true.

As a great ghost writer once said: "The man who loves his enemies has already won their war with him." - Sun Tan's "The Art of Peace"©

As you can tell, my own view differs from both Nietzsche and Rand. I see no reason why either a rugged individualist or Übermensch can't also have enough empathy for his fellows to be altruistic, love his enemies, and WILLINGLY give of himself for the good of others (I can already see Nietzsche spinning in his grave)…With insincere apologies to both Ayn & Fred, a strong, independent, rugged, caring, selfless individual…THAT would be a REAL superman! Maybe he could even organize the planet into the united free republic under the rule of (natural) law (and not men) that it has always had the potential to be.

The real reason humans are committing collective suicide is because so few of them live anywhere near to their true potential. For the most part, their brains are way behind their bodies, stuck at the sel-serving lizard stage of evolution and governed by fear & greed. They continually fall for and follow stupid and incompletely defined concepts like capitalism, socialism, communism, collectivism, objectivism, fascism, zionism, monarchism, nepotism, elitism (or some other stupid "ism") as though they are the be-all & end-all, which they aren't. These philosophies, produced by stupid lizard-brained men & women are always the same, fine in theory, but sucking big-time in their actual implementation because they either try to accommodate man's basic lizard nature, or try to FORCE unevolved lizards' brains to act like self-actualized people as though they liked it, which none of them do. In any event, the lizard-brains never evolve. The best they can do is make the "ism" work for their own egotistic/psychopathic fear & greed-laden benefit.

Capitalism doesn't work because its real-world implementation is really just a game of monopoly where the most successful capitalist psychopath wins everybody's cookies. Socialism/collectivism doesn't work in the real world because the gunpoint theft of wealth from the individual for redistribution to others who haven't earned it (whether they need it or not) is morally wrong; not only that, we can add an unofficial parasitic elite to the Marxist "equals" because as you know, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely, and anyone with the power to control the wealth of others (unless he's a more highly evolved life-form) will inevitably take the biggest "fair share" for himself. (so quite obviously NOBODY should have the power to govern those capable of governing themselves).

So how can those who need but can't provide for themselves get what they need in a peaceful and moral way that respects the right of those who earn to keep what they earn? Easy…Recognize that whether you like them or not, they are family…Give it to them entirely willingly and unselfishly (empathy, compassion, caring…you know… the stuff that makes humans more than just a bunch of psychopathic, dog-eat-dog, self interested egoistic a$$holes). We should never let our selfish interests, anger & malice prevail over our compassion, and we should recognize that our enemies are just family and we can probably work out the differences without killing one another if we cared enough to try.) So if your grumpy S.O.B. neighbour, whose dog $hits on your stoop while he watches laughing has a stroke and is gonna starve & die if you don't help him…well; I'll leave it to you to figure out the right thing to do.

If the higher animals (like ducks & geese for instance) were running the show on planet earth, I think you'd find it a much better place than the garbage dump men are turning it into at the expense of innocent life. Sometimes I wish you clowns would hurry up and kill yourselves all off & give the higher animals the opportunity to clean up the mess you're making and maybe the rest of us (mostly slime-mold & cockroaches if your suicide frenzy goes all-out) can live happily ever after.

Thankfully, Momma Earth's plan to de-louse herself and get rid of ALL the parasites unsustainably sucking her lifeblood is right on schedule and you will soon find yourselves embroiled in either a fully nuclear WWIII, or a global plague…{deleted for brevity}

I heard thru the grapevine that slime-mold & cockroaches will be replacing homo sapiens in the ecosystem. At least neither of those are destructive parasites…Bonus…As higher forms of life, they can work together cooperatively with their own species to get the job done.

You gotta ask??

With the documented extrajudicial murderous drone attacks on American citizens without so much as a "So long, sucker!", it becomes quite obvious that Obama favours his own, special "death penalty" (also called cold-blooded murder by anyone more civilized) for anyone he feels like "penalizing."

Unfortunately, with the power of Presidential Pardon, he also appears to favour extrajudicially pardoning murderers for their crimes. I could swear I once heard him chuckling and mumbling "pardon me" to himself.

The standard of "beyond a reasonable doubt" is insufficient for a death penalty. If there is to be a death penalty at all (and I strongly disapprove of it), the standard should be "beyond ALL doubt whatsoever." (i.e. that ANY possibly true alibi or excuse MUST disallow execution.). To accept any standard lower than this would allow the innocent to die and make the people comprising the society imposing that penalty themselves complicit in the slaughter of innocents (i.e. accessories to state murder).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWamd3jh3TY

The problem I have with the death penalty is the same as the problem I have with people in general being the stupid, vengeful and murderous animals that they are; it is the worst of all possible "solutions" to the problem of crime in that it makes the same sick mistake and comes from the same sick mindset of the criminal himself...and it makes the horribly unjust mistake of killing innocent people that could be any of us. ("There but for the Grace of G-d, go I..." - John Bradford(?) )

Why don't we ask Timothy Evans what he thinks of the death penalty?...Oh yeah...Silly me...He died after his beloved family was murdered!

How many of you self-righteous, vengeful, tailless(?) monkeys favouring the death penalty would like to walk the last mile in his shoes?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Evans

Oh well...at least he was eventually pardoned...Wasn't that nice of us?

(And people actually wonder why I prefer being a bird to being human!!...Sheesh!)

Truer words were never spoken!

For shame!...That's not what I'm saying at all, and you should know it, naughty boy.

People should join together, cooperate and help their fellows because they WANT to, not because some collectivist philosophy says they have to. If anyone wants to live in the woods as a hermit, he has no obligation of care to his fellows because he has no fellows to care for. If someone wants to live in a community and not contribute to the community, that's OK too, but by the same token, he should expect no help from the community if he needs it.

If one has a family, he has an obligation of care to govern those who can't govern themselves (like his children), to care for those who can't care for themselves (like maybe the grandparents) and to help those in need of his help (like his family & friends). What would you call a family man who tells his friends, kids, and parents "It's survival of the fittest and every man for himself, so expect nothing from me."...I don't know about you, but I'd call the guy a first rate a$$hole.

What I'm arguing for is the same thing you're arguing for (I think), and that is a world where those capable of self-governance are self governing, where the wealth they earn is NOT taken from them by the false authority of some state (of whatever political philosophy) for redistribution to others who have not earned it, but where human compassion manifests and those who produce abundantly GIVE of themselves voluntarily to those in need because in a world of abundant wealth, the needless suffering of another human being for want of his ability to fend for himself is simply immoral and wrong. That is why natural law would posit that the implied social contract incorporates an obligation to care...because we do.



Agreed.

Quite correct, though the "tribe" was and is composed of elitists who excluded the rest of humanity (for the most part considered "useless eaters" if they can't "earn their keep" as serfs). You might say that they're only "collectivist" in the senses that they generally work cooperatively with their own "kind" (socialism for the rich), and "collect" the slaves to work on their (state) "plantation."

The espoused politico/economic philosophy matters little...whether it's Communism, Socialism, Representational Democracy, or Fascism, it is ALL Statism, run and controlled by a neo-feudalist (monopolistic capitalist) economic elite that could be called the new kings of the earth, or the New World Order, or a dozen other names...I prefer to call them what they are...banksters, who control almost all the world with fraudulent debt.

The world is finally starting to wise up to the central banksters' con, and at the risk of sounding like a theist prophet, I see a day of reckoning we could liken to the Day of Judgment coming up fast. Maybe after that's over and done with, we can finally all live peacefully and cooperatively as the self-governing trustees of the earth and our fellow man/woman under the rule of law. I hope so anyway. I'd hate to think the crap that we have to put up with today is gonna go on forever.

"The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of millions is a statistic."...Joseph Stalin

Both that boy's execution and the Waco incident fill me with revulsion and disgust at a human condition that would allow either event to take place.

...and also (almost) correctly in terms of natural law. Communal property is also known as the common and can be the property of no man or collection of men. It can only be held in trust and claimed for (sustainable) use. All that may be "owned" is a CLAIM to some portion of the common for use.

In the theistic view, ALL property is the property of God. The Catholic Church once claimed the entire Earth as the rightful property of Christ, and made the office of the Pope "Christ's trustee"...Needless to say, this created a lot of (naturally unlawful) bull$hit to contend with, but it WAS an organizational system of some sort, and DOES explain why the head of the church claimed the exclusive right to crown kings...They were vassal kings, given their god's blessing to rule thru the authority of the office of the pope.

In the secular view, there is no such thing as private property that you haven't vested some part of your body or its energy into, which kinda lets out things like land, water & air as heritable property. To preserve things like serfdom, "property" (which they could no longer lawfully hold) and the wealth in their vaults, the powers of the day set up a system of legal fiction analogues that basically conned everyone into remaining serfs to them, even though they knew what was now being traded, held and vested was not physical property, but fictional, claimed RIGHTS to its possession/disposal. "Privately owned land" continued to be called that thanks to a clever change in definitions. In general, however, the term "real estate" became the term used as the (deceptive) fictional replacement for the traditional idea of "land as property." This deception of legal fictions (which benefits only a few) continues to this day and is the source of most of the woes of humanity, since it allows for such an egregious "distribution of wealth", that people all over the world suffer, starve and/or live in a state of slavery/serfdom/oppression in even the wealthiest of "countries" (which are yet more legal fictions created to replace "kingdoms"...the modern "country" is nothing more than a business corporation).

IMO, the collectivist tribes had it almost right...leastways a lot more right than the European neo-feudalist, fictional system most people live under today. The really sad thing is that people are the victims of their own ignorance in not knowing that it is their own assumptions (which they never question) that chain them to the 4 horses of the apocalypse for their convenient drawing and quartering.

People still fall for the idea that what some clown a thousand miles away writes down on a piece of paper somewhere (legislation) is "the law", even if they don't consent to be bound by it...Whattya gonna do?...They're stuck in the serf mentality.

His Mom committed the "crime" of saying her son wasn't a terrorist, so of course, she has to also be "taken down."

This Boston bombing thing has all the credibility of a professional wrestling match...enjoy the show.

I heard Jeff was killed in prison...Here's hoping he was sautéed in butter over a light flame and served with a sprinkling of cinnamon on a bed of wild rice...I think he would have wanted it that way.

The Q'uran citations are only that unbelievers are not to be "trusted" (and of course I don't trust anyone), so at worst the Q'ran neglects to mention that even muslim brothers are not to be trusted, but hey, I guess Mohammed wouldn't have gotten his religion off the ground with "Trust no one!", though he might have done OK with "Trust ONLY Allah!"

At any rate, the cites, do not support your claim that muslims will not honour a deal struck with a non-muslim. I have made deals with people of all faiths, and so far, there have been people of all major faiths who have tried to renege...except the few muslims I've dealt with...I haven't known too many, but I've yet to meet one that wasn't as good as his word.

I've only known one religious extremist in my life and he was a Christian...He flat out told me that if he knew someone was a witch, he would kill her, because a true Christian (or Jew) would not let a witch live (Exodus 22:16). I'm thankful the guy doesn't do drugs, because if he ever had a hallucination of me riding a broom, I'm sure I'd be dead meat.

I don't know how it is in the US, but in Canada (and for as much as the government tries to vilify muslims), different faiths get along reasonably well here. I know Christians, Jews and Muslims who play golf together. The only difference their religion seems to make is which day they skip worship for golf. Being a non-practicing Unitarian Universalist, I sometimes make it a foursome to round things out.

In Canada people are generally pretty civilized with respect to religious discussion. The only time things get violent is when they start arguing hockey.

You're right...I don't understand...How could order become chaos if we enforced only that one simple law?

I think it says something like that in the Talmud, but where does it say it in the Q'uran?

More to the point, stop feeding the bankers. I guarantee if you stop letting them suck your blood, those bloodsucking parasites will starve and go away.