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Sun 10/10/10 01:27 PM



I didnt tell you to shut up but I would love too bigsmile

Explain why the entire continent has racism then. If it was our founding fathers who started it all.


Not!!!

Racism was started by Daffy Duck in 1988.shocked

Don't feed the trolls, Darlin'!!:wink:


Yea you are right it's a waste of time. rant
LOL You can lead a horse to water but you can't make'em drink laugh

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Sun 10/10/10 01:25 PM





As to the OP. There is racism in all races.

The issue in this country is that whites are the majority and they perpetrate hatred on the minorities making them worse than the others.

Because racism was started in this country by whites who continue it to this day.



LOL no you are once again mistaken !!! Whites did not start racism. Geez take a history course or just be silent and read the thread. LOL The native Americans were enslaving each other long before whitey ever got here! Not to mention the Mayans also enslaved other Latins. Humans are racist by there very nature all you have to do is LOOK at our cultural history!!!!


Thanks for the incorrect history lesson on this country. America was founded on what date? Our founding fathers were white racist men who promoted racism in this country. So this country was founded on white racism.

Now do I get to tell you to shut up and sit down?


I didnt tell you to shut up but I would love too bigsmile

Explain why the entire continent has racism then. If it was our founding fathers who started it all.



I will repeat myself one more time.

This country was based on white racism from its beginning. So we have a problem with white racism in this country that was even allowed in our laws.

I never spoke of other nations or people for that matter.


LOL Doesn't matter how many times you repeat it, racism was already here and it will always be here. White people bought black slaves from black people. So you are wrong. We would not have had slaves if it was not for the Africans who enslaved their own people to sell to us. So in truth it's all the Africans fault for selling us slaves in the first place.

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Sun 10/10/10 01:22 PM












Here is our president making a racist remark.

"typical white person" He says. LOL

Yet he is not racist LOL!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8gnmUyminI&feature=related


All I heard was that he acknowledged that there were differences in how people of different races perceive things because we have different experiences. At no point did he say anything bad about white people. Honestly, you would disagree with the notion that there's a number of ways that a person could act that would be considered "typical" or "atypical" in terms of social norms?

Not being racist doesn't mean that you try to pretend that everyone is the same, it more about not hating people who are different. If Rick Sanchez had simply said that he and Jon Stewart (or he and the CNN executives) had different perspectives on life because of their background, no one would have cared.

"Typical" isn't inherently mean anything bad, just like "atypical" doesn't inherently mean anything good.


That's your opinion. That's not my opinion, you see to me there is no such thing as a typical white person. Or a typical black person.

But since you agree please tell me sir, what is a typical white person?



You're taking the term out of context. We're not talking about an archetype where there's a set of defined traits. It's a general term. However, there are characteristics that a white person might typically have or responses white people typically might give in certain situations in higher percentages than other races.

For instance, white people typically wear Abercrombie more often than black people or they might typically listen to country. However, that doesn't mean that all (or even most) white people have that trait, just that it wouldn't be out of the ordinary if they did. It doesn't mean that black people never do those things, just that it's less typical.

If Obama had said that typically, white people in this country are more educated and create more wealth non-white people, would you take offense or call that hateful? If not, then why?



Nice so you admit that profiling works then? When it suits you. LOL But if I was to say that the womans response to the black man was a legitimate LEARNED response from all of the black crime, I bet you wont agree. LOL Truth is her response is normal and it's not just whites that feel that way. I could understand if black crime was not so high but it is. So his response is wrong and it is racist to assume her response was typical of a white person. She is a typical american who lives in the city and is aware that many black men rob and steal. Especially one that is asking for money and wouldn't leave her alone after she gave him a dollar. That is the full story BTW by Obama himself.



statements about typical dont usually go into detail about the REASONS,,,


that is where racism gets its power,, peoples ability to quickly label without any attempt to honestly analyze

even IF her response is typical of a person living in the city, it doesnt mean it is not ALSO typical of a majority of white people

stating a correlation doesnt mean stating a causation which is why context of a conversation becomes so important

I could correlate higher incarceration rates with black people, and that would be true,, but it would not mean that black people are inherently more criminal

it could also be logically tied into the disparate educational and economic position of blacks in america compared to others, and the prevalence of the undereducated and the poor in the justice system

I actually LOVE those types of logical conversations, but what happens too often , the association of RACE as the REASON for any number of negative things serves to distract from the root causes (often TIED to race in this country, unfortunately) which could be addressed for the advantage of all americans,,,


Sorry but all one has to do is take a trip down to your local ghetto to find that what goes on there is their own fault. I lived in the ghetto for so long and they like it. They CHOOSE to SKIP school. They CHOOSE to join gangs. They CHOOSE to not get a job and live off SSD and welfare/low income/section 8, They CHOOSE to have multiple children instead of having their tubes tied like I did ! We ALL CHOOSE our life by the decisions we make! NO ONE IS A VICTIM AND IF YOU WERE VICTIMIZED GET OVER IT! You cant make your life better when all you see is the bad things and how look at how people are holding you back!



ghetto living is not = black living

and people cannot choose what circumstance they are BORN into and what reality they are TAUGHT

and life cant get better by IGNORING discrimination anymore than it can by being a VICTIM of it

myself and others like me survive and succeed in SPITE of discrimination and have never needed to pretend it wasnt there or not talk about it to do so,,,,


I didn't say ghetto is black living.
And yes people CAN CHOOSE to change their mind about what they are TAUGHT! Yes your life will get better by IGNORING IT! Just like you are supposed to ignore bullies! When you ignore something you lend it no power!! You give them no access to you or even to an argument for that matter! If I wanted you to stop posting in this thread I would just ignore you. Eventually you are gonna stop. That's how everything works! When you yell and scream and complain and preach you make it bigger and bigger and lend ear to both sides! Even the egeyptians knew about that. If the people forget about something it's gone and eventually forgotten throughout history. But if you keep your name out there for forever you will never be forgotten and that's what your race is doing with racism. By "speaking out" and "educating " people ect.. You are actually a part of the problem. Someone hears it gets mad and kills a white person because of the racism YOU told them about. HATE BEGETS HATE, FEAR BEGETS FEAR!



are you serious? so if I am being raped, and I IGNORE it , it will stop?

If I am being tortured and I IGNORE it, it will stop?

If a people are being systematically oppressed or terrorized and they IGNORE it, it will stop?


racism doesnt end by being ignored, it just allows the racists to believe that it is how it should be because NOONE is saying any differently,,,


Obviously when I say ignore a bully one would assume that you have removed yourself from the bully.......I think that's common sense. The point is this..

You have one rape victim she is sad and depressed and so she gets counseling. she works hard to work through her fears and move past the event. she is rewarded by moving on and being able to heal emotionally and be happy in life. She is able to rise above the situation because she CHOOSES to focus on the good and positive things in her life.

Now take the second rape victim still sad , depressed and yea she has a reason for it too! She is COMPLETELY justified in her actions!. But she focuses on the fear, the pain and she gives into that fear and hides from men and lives off SSD for PTSD from the trauma of the experience. Not only is she stuck in the poor area where she is more likely to be victimized again but she also is stuck. Emotionally and physically and she is NOT happy, because you cant be happy when you live your life thinking about how bad things are for you.



I agree, and this is why I said people achieve IN SPITE of racism and people hold themself back BECAUSE of racism,,but neither group has any obligation to IGNORE racism exists,,,

I was a victim of rape, I didnt overcome it by ignoring that it happened or not talking about it,,,JUST THE OPPOSITE,,,


Yea yea I know you were raped by a white guy and I was beaten and abused by black people. Hence our extremely different views. Both fueled by our passion on the subject.

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Sun 10/10/10 01:17 PM



As to the OP. There is racism in all races.

The issue in this country is that whites are the majority and they perpetrate hatred on the minorities making them worse than the others.

Because racism was started in this country by whites who continue it to this day.



LOL no you are once again mistaken !!! Whites did not start racism. Geez take a history course or just be silent and read the thread. LOL The native Americans were enslaving each other long before whitey ever got here! Not to mention the Mayans also enslaved other Latins. Humans are racist by there very nature all you have to do is LOOK at our cultural history!!!!


Thanks for the incorrect history lesson on this country. America was founded on what date? Our founding fathers were white racist men who promoted racism in this country. So this country was founded on white racism.






Explain why the entire continent has racism then. If it was our founding fathers who started it all.

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Sun 10/10/10 01:13 PM
Edited by Rachel78745 on Sun 10/10/10 01:13 PM










Here is our president making a racist remark.

"typical white person" He says. LOL

Yet he is not racist LOL!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8gnmUyminI&feature=related


All I heard was that he acknowledged that there were differences in how people of different races perceive things because we have different experiences. At no point did he say anything bad about white people. Honestly, you would disagree with the notion that there's a number of ways that a person could act that would be considered "typical" or "atypical" in terms of social norms?

Not being racist doesn't mean that you try to pretend that everyone is the same, it more about not hating people who are different. If Rick Sanchez had simply said that he and Jon Stewart (or he and the CNN executives) had different perspectives on life because of their background, no one would have cared.

"Typical" isn't inherently mean anything bad, just like "atypical" doesn't inherently mean anything good.


That's your opinion. That's not my opinion, you see to me there is no such thing as a typical white person. Or a typical black person.

But since you agree please tell me sir, what is a typical white person?



You're taking the term out of context. We're not talking about an archetype where there's a set of defined traits. It's a general term. However, there are characteristics that a white person might typically have or responses white people typically might give in certain situations in higher percentages than other races.

For instance, white people typically wear Abercrombie more often than black people or they might typically listen to country. However, that doesn't mean that all (or even most) white people have that trait, just that it wouldn't be out of the ordinary if they did. It doesn't mean that black people never do those things, just that it's less typical.

If Obama had said that typically, white people in this country are more educated and create more wealth non-white people, would you take offense or call that hateful? If not, then why?



Nice so you admit that profiling works then? When it suits you. LOL But if I was to say that the womans response to the black man was a legitimate LEARNED response from all of the black crime, I bet you wont agree. LOL Truth is her response is normal and it's not just whites that feel that way. I could understand if black crime was not so high but it is. So his response is wrong and it is racist to assume her response was typical of a white person. She is a typical american who lives in the city and is aware that many black men rob and steal. Especially one that is asking for money and wouldn't leave her alone after she gave him a dollar. That is the full story BTW by Obama himself.



statements about typical dont usually go into detail about the REASONS,,,


that is where racism gets its power,, peoples ability to quickly label without any attempt to honestly analyze

even IF her response is typical of a person living in the city, it doesnt mean it is not ALSO typical of a majority of white people

stating a correlation doesnt mean stating a causation which is why context of a conversation becomes so important

I could correlate higher incarceration rates with black people, and that would be true,, but it would not mean that black people are inherently more criminal

it could also be logically tied into the disparate educational and economic position of blacks in america compared to others, and the prevalence of the undereducated and the poor in the justice system

I actually LOVE those types of logical conversations, but what happens too often , the association of RACE as the REASON for any number of negative things serves to distract from the root causes (often TIED to race in this country, unfortunately) which could be addressed for the advantage of all americans,,,


Sorry but all one has to do is take a trip down to your local ghetto to find that what goes on there is their own fault. I lived in the ghetto for so long and they like it. They CHOOSE to SKIP school. They CHOOSE to join gangs. They CHOOSE to not get a job and live off SSD and welfare/low income/section 8, They CHOOSE to have multiple children instead of having their tubes tied like I did ! We ALL CHOOSE our life by the decisions we make! NO ONE IS A VICTIM AND IF YOU WERE VICTIMIZED GET OVER IT! You cant make your life better when all you see is the bad things and how look at how people are holding you back!



ghetto living is not = black living

and people cannot choose what circumstance they are BORN into and what reality they are TAUGHT

and life cant get better by IGNORING discrimination anymore than it can by being a VICTIM of it

myself and others like me survive and succeed in SPITE of discrimination and have never needed to pretend it wasnt there or not talk about it to do so,,,,


I didn't say ghetto is black living.
And yes people CAN CHOOSE to change their mind about what they are TAUGHT! Yes your life will get better by IGNORING IT! Just like you are supposed to ignore bullies! When you ignore something you lend it no power!! You give them no access to you or even to an argument for that matter! If I wanted you to stop posting in this thread I would just ignore you. Eventually you are gonna stop. That's how everything works! When you yell and scream and complain and preach you make it bigger and bigger and lend ear to both sides! Even the egeyptians knew about that. If the people forget about something it's gone and eventually forgotten throughout history. But if you keep your name out there for forever you will never be forgotten and that's what your race is doing with racism. By "speaking out" and "educating " people ect.. You are actually a part of the problem. Someone hears it gets mad and kills a white person because of the racism YOU told them about. HATE BEGETS HATE, FEAR BEGETS FEAR!



are you serious? so if I am being raped, and I IGNORE it , it will stop?

If I am being tortured and I IGNORE it, it will stop?

If a people are being systematically oppressed or terrorized and they IGNORE it, it will stop?


racism doesnt end by being ignored, it just allows the racists to believe that it is how it should be because NOONE is saying any differently,,,


Obviously when I say ignore a bully one would assume that you have removed yourself from the bully.......I think that's common sense. The point is this..

You have one rape victim she is sad and depressed and so she gets counseling. she works hard to work through her fears and move past the event. she is rewarded by moving on and being able to heal emotionally and be happy in life. She is able to rise above the situation because she CHOOSES to focus on the good and positive things in her life.

Now take the second rape victim still sad , depressed and yea she has a reason for it too! She is COMPLETELY justified in her actions!. But she focuses on the fear, the pain and she gives into that fear and hides from men and lives off SSD for PTSD from the trauma of the experience. Not only is she stuck in the poor area where she is more likely to be victimized again but she also is stuck. Emotionally and physically and she is NOT happy, because you cant be happy when you live your life thinking about how bad things are for you.

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Sun 10/10/10 01:06 PM










Here is our president making a racist remark.

"typical white person" He says. LOL

Yet he is not racist LOL!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8gnmUyminI&feature=related


All I heard was that he acknowledged that there were differences in how people of different races perceive things because we have different experiences. At no point did he say anything bad about white people. Honestly, you would disagree with the notion that there's a number of ways that a person could act that would be considered "typical" or "atypical" in terms of social norms?

Not being racist doesn't mean that you try to pretend that everyone is the same, it more about not hating people who are different. If Rick Sanchez had simply said that he and Jon Stewart (or he and the CNN executives) had different perspectives on life because of their background, no one would have cared.

"Typical" isn't inherently mean anything bad, just like "atypical" doesn't inherently mean anything good.


That's your opinion. That's not my opinion, you see to me there is no such thing as a typical white person. Or a typical black person.

But since you agree please tell me sir, what is a typical white person?



You're taking the term out of context. We're not talking about an archetype where there's a set of defined traits. It's a general term. However, there are characteristics that a white person might typically have or responses white people typically might give in certain situations in higher percentages than other races.

For instance, white people typically wear Abercrombie more often than black people or they might typically listen to country. However, that doesn't mean that all (or even most) white people have that trait, just that it wouldn't be out of the ordinary if they did. It doesn't mean that black people never do those things, just that it's less typical.

If Obama had said that typically, white people in this country are more educated and create more wealth non-white people, would you take offense or call that hateful? If not, then why?



Nice so you admit that profiling works then? When it suits you. LOL But if I was to say that the womans response to the black man was a legitimate LEARNED response from all of the black crime, I bet you wont agree. LOL Truth is her response is normal and it's not just whites that feel that way. I could understand if black crime was not so high but it is. So his response is wrong and it is racist to assume her response was typical of a white person. She is a typical american who lives in the city and is aware that many black men rob and steal. Especially one that is asking for money and wouldn't leave her alone after she gave him a dollar. That is the full story BTW by Obama himself.



statements about typical dont usually go into detail about the REASONS,,,


that is where racism gets its power,, peoples ability to quickly label without any attempt to honestly analyze

even IF her response is typical of a person living in the city, it doesnt mean it is not ALSO typical of a majority of white people

stating a correlation doesnt mean stating a causation which is why context of a conversation becomes so important

I could correlate higher incarceration rates with black people, and that would be true,, but it would not mean that black people are inherently more criminal

it could also be logically tied into the disparate educational and economic position of blacks in america compared to others, and the prevalence of the undereducated and the poor in the justice system

I actually LOVE those types of logical conversations, but what happens too often , the association of RACE as the REASON for any number of negative things serves to distract from the root causes (often TIED to race in this country, unfortunately) which could be addressed for the advantage of all americans,,,


Sorry but all one has to do is take a trip down to your local ghetto to find that what goes on there is their own fault. I lived in the ghetto for so long and they like it. They CHOOSE to SKIP school. They CHOOSE to join gangs. They CHOOSE to not get a job and live off SSD and welfare/low income/section 8, They CHOOSE to have multiple children instead of having their tubes tied like I did ! We ALL CHOOSE our life by the decisions we make! NO ONE IS A VICTIM AND IF YOU WERE VICTIMIZED GET OVER IT! You cant make your life better when all you see is the bad things and how look at how people are holding you back!



ghetto living is not = black living

and people cannot choose what circumstance they are BORN into and what reality they are TAUGHT

and life cant get better by IGNORING discrimination anymore than it can by being a VICTIM of it

myself and others like me survive and succeed in SPITE of discrimination and have never needed to pretend it wasnt there or not talk about it to do so,,,,


I didn't say ghetto is black living.
And yes people CAN CHOOSE to change their mind about what they are TAUGHT! Yes your life will get better by IGNORING IT! Just like you are supposed to ignore bullies! When you ignore something you lend it no power!! You give them no access to you or even to an argument for that matter! If I wanted you to stop posting in this thread I would just ignore you. Eventually you are gonna stop. That's how everything works! When you yell and scream and complain and preach you make it bigger and bigger and lend ear to both sides! Even the egeyptians knew about that. If the people forget about something it's gone and eventually forgotten throughout history. But if you keep your name out there for forever you will never be forgotten and that's what your race is doing with racism. By "speaking out" and "educating " people ect.. You are actually a part of the problem. Someone hears it gets mad and kills a white person because of the racism YOU told them about. HATE BEGETS HATE, FEAR BEGETS FEAR!


i have to disagree with you about bullies...the best way to deal with a bully is to break his nose...then the bulling will stop...


I had a friend who tried that. Then the 16 year old kid that had been bulling him shot him 9 times with a tech 9 and he died. Had he ignored the guy he would be alive.

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Sun 10/10/10 01:04 PM

As to the OP. There is racism in all races.

The issue in this country is that whites are the majority and they perpetrate hatred on the minorities making them worse than the others.

Because racism was started in this country by whites who continue it to this day.



LOL no you are once again mistaken !!! Whites did not start racism. Geez take a history course or just be silent and read the thread. LOL The native Americans were enslaving each other long before whitey ever got here! Not to mention the Mayans also enslaved other Latins. Humans are racist by there very nature all you have to do is LOOK at our cultural history!!!!

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Sun 10/10/10 12:53 PM



Obama was caught several times with his hand on his heart at the national anthem, imagine that??!!!

This is really old news and has been disputed several times.

As to racism, dating outside your race doesn't make one unracist.
Being white in a white majority country makes it really hard to understand racism from the perspective of a non white who is living it daily.

A country that has been teaching white superiority racism since its inception seems to have a hard time undoing hundreds of years of teaching.


Well being as how I am a white person who grew up around majority black people even having black foster parents and being one of like 5 white people at my high school in Houston TX. I can say yes, I know exactly what it's like surrounded by a different race daily. Thanks for acknowledging that it takes that kind of experience to know what it's like! Because it was no walk in the park.Well hey at least I learned how to fight defending myself just for being a white girl. :wink:


That still doesn't prevent racism. It actually seems to have promoted it here.

White folks in this country have been taught racism even from the laws of the land. Getting an understanding of equality regardless to skin color is what is needed. I don't feel that here.


Well that's your personal emotions tied to what I have said. I have never even after all the hate I experience felt that any races was lesser than another. Just different.

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Sun 10/10/10 12:33 PM








Here is our president making a racist remark.

"typical white person" He says. LOL

Yet he is not racist LOL!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8gnmUyminI&feature=related


All I heard was that he acknowledged that there were differences in how people of different races perceive things because we have different experiences. At no point did he say anything bad about white people. Honestly, you would disagree with the notion that there's a number of ways that a person could act that would be considered "typical" or "atypical" in terms of social norms?

Not being racist doesn't mean that you try to pretend that everyone is the same, it more about not hating people who are different. If Rick Sanchez had simply said that he and Jon Stewart (or he and the CNN executives) had different perspectives on life because of their background, no one would have cared.

"Typical" isn't inherently mean anything bad, just like "atypical" doesn't inherently mean anything good.


That's your opinion. That's not my opinion, you see to me there is no such thing as a typical white person. Or a typical black person.

But since you agree please tell me sir, what is a typical white person?



You're taking the term out of context. We're not talking about an archetype where there's a set of defined traits. It's a general term. However, there are characteristics that a white person might typically have or responses white people typically might give in certain situations in higher percentages than other races.

For instance, white people typically wear Abercrombie more often than black people or they might typically listen to country. However, that doesn't mean that all (or even most) white people have that trait, just that it wouldn't be out of the ordinary if they did. It doesn't mean that black people never do those things, just that it's less typical.

If Obama had said that typically, white people in this country are more educated and create more wealth non-white people, would you take offense or call that hateful? If not, then why?



Nice so you admit that profiling works then? When it suits you. LOL But if I was to say that the womans response to the black man was a legitimate LEARNED response from all of the black crime, I bet you wont agree. LOL Truth is her response is normal and it's not just whites that feel that way. I could understand if black crime was not so high but it is. So his response is wrong and it is racist to assume her response was typical of a white person. She is a typical american who lives in the city and is aware that many black men rob and steal. Especially one that is asking for money and wouldn't leave her alone after she gave him a dollar. That is the full story BTW by Obama himself.



statements about typical dont usually go into detail about the REASONS,,,


that is where racism gets its power,, peoples ability to quickly label without any attempt to honestly analyze

even IF her response is typical of a person living in the city, it doesnt mean it is not ALSO typical of a majority of white people

stating a correlation doesnt mean stating a causation which is why context of a conversation becomes so important

I could correlate higher incarceration rates with black people, and that would be true,, but it would not mean that black people are inherently more criminal

it could also be logically tied into the disparate educational and economic position of blacks in america compared to others, and the prevalence of the undereducated and the poor in the justice system

I actually LOVE those types of logical conversations, but what happens too often , the association of RACE as the REASON for any number of negative things serves to distract from the root causes (often TIED to race in this country, unfortunately) which could be addressed for the advantage of all americans,,,


Sorry but all one has to do is take a trip down to your local ghetto to find that what goes on there is their own fault. I lived in the ghetto for so long and they like it. They CHOOSE to SKIP school. They CHOOSE to join gangs. They CHOOSE to not get a job and live off SSD and welfare/low income/section 8, They CHOOSE to have multiple children instead of having their tubes tied like I did ! We ALL CHOOSE our life by the decisions we make! NO ONE IS A VICTIM AND IF YOU WERE VICTIMIZED GET OVER IT! You cant make your life better when all you see is the bad things and how look at how people are holding you back!



ghetto living is not = black living

and people cannot choose what circumstance they are BORN into and what reality they are TAUGHT

and life cant get better by IGNORING discrimination anymore than it can by being a VICTIM of it

myself and others like me survive and succeed in SPITE of discrimination and have never needed to pretend it wasnt there or not talk about it to do so,,,,


I didn't say ghetto is black living.
And yes people CAN CHOOSE to change their mind about what they are TAUGHT! Yes your life will get better by IGNORING IT! Just like you are supposed to ignore bullies! When you ignore something you lend it no power!! You give them no access to you or even to an argument for that matter! If I wanted you to stop posting in this thread I would just ignore you. Eventually you are gonna stop. That's how everything works! When you yell and scream and complain and preach you make it bigger and bigger and lend ear to both sides! Even the egeyptians knew about that. If the people forget about something it's gone and eventually forgotten throughout history. But if you keep your name out there for forever you will never be forgotten and that's what your race is doing with racism. By "speaking out" and "educating " people ect.. You are actually a part of the problem. Someone hears it gets mad and kills a white person because of the racism YOU told them about. HATE BEGETS HATE, FEAR BEGETS FEAR!

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Sun 10/10/10 12:26 PM









http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU9iCANi02o&feature=related


September 2007...modern cuture does not require it and he didn't "refuse", probably forgot...why is this news or a current event?

Message to other Stormfront followers here:

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1885586220070718

How ya' like them apples...








Just because a bunch of non patriotic hippies decided that among burning the flag and stomping on the flag, that it's now ok not to salute the flag, doesn't make it right.

Of all people the president of the united states should salute the flag. He is supposed to be the MOST patriotic!
But hey nothing is sacred anymore.
So what about this in conjunction with that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2RyfYbg5JQ

LOL If only you knew my beliefs on human origins .LOL!!!rofl rofl rofl




he was actually not the president at the time, and he was the only one actually SINGING the national anthem,,lol

whose symbolism is more patriotic,, the one who can make superficial gestures by wearing certain accessories or strategically placing their hands, or the one who actually KNOWS the constitution and the words to the anthem,??? and why should I care?




I bet you money he was not singing the anthem. There was already someone singing it for them. I bet you if you had a lip analyzer look at it you would find him saying something else. Anyway what about the other video?



lol,, yeah,, ok

what about the other video? again, why should I care?



Oh that's right I forgot you only care about Obama not this country. My bad, sorry. I mistook you for someone who actually gave a ****.
Or maybe, just maybe you don't have a answer to your Saviour's deliberate disrespect for our constitution and apparent disagreement with our constitution.

Unless you think there was another reason he chose not to say the word written on the teleprompter and why he scowled and blinked so many times. He was visually upset with it almost like it pained him to even read it.




no apology necessary, just as willing as you are to accept being 'racist' by the definition of others

I can totally accept others anger about me not giving a *** if someone places their hands over their hearts during a national song, or chooses to wear a flag lapel, or chooses not to recite the WHOLE declaration of independence in the context of a speech about AMERICANS,,,



Oh don't go extreme on me now! It was one word out one phrase! Don't minimize it. Lets here your explanation as to why he left out the ONE word.

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Obama was caught several times with his hand on his heart at the national anthem, imagine that??!!!

This is really old news and has been disputed several times.

As to racism, dating outside your race doesn't make one unracist.
Being white in a white majority country makes it really hard to understand racism from the perspective of a non white who is living it daily.

A country that has been teaching white superiority racism since its inception seems to have a hard time undoing hundreds of years of teaching.


Well being as how I am a white person who grew up around majority black people even having black foster parents and being one of like 5 white people at my high school in Houston TX. I can say yes, I know exactly what it's like surrounded by a different race daily. Thanks for acknowledging that it takes that kind of experience to know what it's like! Because it was no walk in the park.Well hey at least I learned how to fight defending myself just for being a white girl. :wink:

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Edited by Rachel78745 on Sun 10/10/10 12:18 PM





you know you don't hear much from the asians...i wonder what they are up to,hardly a sound they never throw the race card....hmmmm


Yea there are a lot of other races here that live in poor areas that don't pull the race card.


By the way, from this statement, one would gather that you believe that, typically, Asians don't pull the race card and other races are more likely to do so. That statement right there holds just as much racism and hatred as the clip from Obama that you cited. Either you're both racist and hateful, or neither statement exemplifies such things. Thank you for proving my point.


I fully admitted I could be a racist due to my thoughts. If that's the case oh well. If recognizing racial differences makes me a racist then ok. So me and Obama are racists :laughing: Still doesn't stop me from having black friends and it doesn't make me treat black people differently.


Again, thank you for proving my point. I know you didn't think that you agreed with me, but you just flipped on your own point without knowing it.


LOL no I didn't you just cant seem to understand what I am saying. Not surprising.

Why don't you tell me what you think my point is.

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Here is our president making a racist remark.

"typical white person" He says. LOL

Yet he is not racist LOL!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8gnmUyminI&feature=related


All I heard was that he acknowledged that there were differences in how people of different races perceive things because we have different experiences. At no point did he say anything bad about white people. Honestly, you would disagree with the notion that there's a number of ways that a person could act that would be considered "typical" or "atypical" in terms of social norms?

Not being racist doesn't mean that you try to pretend that everyone is the same, it more about not hating people who are different. If Rick Sanchez had simply said that he and Jon Stewart (or he and the CNN executives) had different perspectives on life because of their background, no one would have cared.

"Typical" isn't inherently mean anything bad, just like "atypical" doesn't inherently mean anything good.


That's your opinion. That's not my opinion, you see to me there is no such thing as a typical white person. Or a typical black person.

But since you agree please tell me sir, what is a typical white person?



You're taking the term out of context. We're not talking about an archetype where there's a set of defined traits. It's a general term. However, there are characteristics that a white person might typically have or responses white people typically might give in certain situations in higher percentages than other races.

For instance, white people typically wear Abercrombie more often than black people or they might typically listen to country. However, that doesn't mean that all (or even most) white people have that trait, just that it wouldn't be out of the ordinary if they did. It doesn't mean that black people never do those things, just that it's less typical.

If Obama had said that typically, white people in this country are more educated and create more wealth non-white people, would you take offense or call that hateful? If not, then why?



Nice so you admit that profiling works then? When it suits you. LOL But if I was to say that the womans response to the black man was a legitimate LEARNED response from all of the black crime, I bet you wont agree. LOL Truth is her response is normal and it's not just whites that feel that way. I could understand if black crime was not so high but it is. So his response is wrong and it is racist to assume her response was typical of a white person. She is a typical american who lives in the city and is aware that many black men rob and steal. Especially one that is asking for money and wouldn't leave her alone after she gave him a dollar. That is the full story BTW by Obama himself.



statements about typical dont usually go into detail about the REASONS,,,


that is where racism gets its power,, peoples ability to quickly label without any attempt to honestly analyze

even IF her response is typical of a person living in the city, it doesnt mean it is not ALSO typical of a majority of white people

stating a correlation doesnt mean stating a causation which is why context of a conversation becomes so important

I could correlate higher incarceration rates with black people, and that would be true,, but it would not mean that black people are inherently more criminal

it could also be logically tied into the disparate educational and economic position of blacks in america compared to others, and the prevalence of the undereducated and the poor in the justice system

I actually LOVE those types of logical conversations, but what happens too often , the association of RACE as the REASON for any number of negative things serves to distract from the root causes (often TIED to race in this country, unfortunately) which could be addressed for the advantage of all americans,,,


Sorry but all one has to do is take a trip down to your local ghetto to find that what goes on there is their own fault. I lived in the ghetto for so long and they like it. They CHOOSE to SKIP school. They CHOOSE to join gangs. They CHOOSE to not get a job and live off SSD and welfare/low income/section 8, They CHOOSE to have multiple children instead of having their tubes tied like I did ! We ALL CHOOSE our life by the decisions we make! NO ONE IS A VICTIM AND IF YOU WERE VICTIMIZED GET OVER IT! You cant make your life better when all you see is the bad things and how look at how people are holding you back!

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Sun 10/10/10 12:08 PM



you know you don't hear much from the asians...i wonder what they are up to,hardly a sound they never throw the race card....hmmmm


Yea there are a lot of other races here that live in poor areas that don't pull the race card.


By the way, from this statement, one would gather that you believe that, typically, Asians don't pull the race card and other races are more likely to do so. That statement right there holds just as much racism and hatred as the clip from Obama that you cited. Either you're both racist and hateful, or neither statement exemplifies such things. Thank you for proving my point.


I fully admitted I could be a racist due to my thoughts. If that's the case oh well. If recognizing racial differences makes me a racist then ok. So me and Obama are racists :laughing: Still doesn't stop me from having black friends and it doesn't make me treat black people differently.

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Sun 10/10/10 12:05 PM







oh yeah, I forgot

a majority of white americans believe the 'model minority' myths
i'm not sayin theres no racist asians but you don't here much complaining from them



that could have to do with the fact they their culture is DIFFERENT than american culture,,,you probably wont hear them 'complaining' about many of those things WHITES complain about either




At least you can admit that your "culture" complains in spite of hardships while others with the same issues choose to approach the problem from a different angle. Amazing how well they do it too huh? It's a lesson a lot of us could learn from as my father also agreed with here in this story he used to tell me when I would complain about how bad my life was.

Fun fact:
My father retired from the navy and went to work as a tub boat operator in corpus TX. When he started (in the 70's) he said there were a bunch of poor Asians that would fish out on the docks, He observed how they would eat all the fish the Americans would throw back out and they would sell everything they could. Overtime, they saved and lived sparingly and eventually opened the majority of the shops in the area. Now they dominate the tourist market there.They easily make way more over my father. They were very poor people with NO help from ANYONE, and being this is Texas you bet they had to deal with racism. Yet they prevailed. That is the story my father told me and I am telling it to you because that's how a successful person approaches life.




read again, not MY culture, AMERICAN culture (which is predominately white americans)

and no, its not the SAME issues,, it really isnt

as I explained there is a different ECONOMIC base for asian immigrants and nowhere near the history of OPPRESSIVE treatment in America (yes I know there were camps and there is racism against all minorities),

but the difference here is that BLACKS in america were PROPERTY (asians, although discriminated against, could BUY their equality)

the difference here is that BLACKS , as a result of the segregation laws and jim crow POLICIES of US government were put at an economic disadvantage for most of their history in the STATES which lead to other disparate views about them as compared to other more 'model' minorities

the difference is when you can show that there is DISPARATE treatment of other minorities that can be linked DIRECTLY to a HISTORY of racist policies and laws,, you can compare those with african americans

until then, racism exists against all people YES, but the IMPACT of racially discriminatory and seperatist VIEWS which are reflected through laws and policies, is historically(US HISTORY, IM speaking of) more prone to be affecting BLACK americans,,, and BLACK americans have the right and responsibility to speak up about it


LOL nope you are no victim. You just want someone else to blame. What makes the black's experience worse than the Holocaust? You think you guys had it worse? I don't think so! You don't see Jews running around crying and moaning and asking for handout and bitching and moaning about how bad their ancestors had it ! WTF??? And first of all Why are you not speaking out against Africans? Africans sold white's the slaves remember that? What have you done to stop the SAME Africans from enslaving other Africans? It's happening right now!! What are you doing bitching at us when the real problem is still happening!!?? I swear through history cultures have been killed, conquered and enslaved but YOUR culture is the only one who thinks they have a right to ***** about it for the rest of time. GET OVER IT! Hate is everywhere and racism is everywhere it's not just against you so shut up about it and be a part of the solution not the problem!



lol, who did I BLAME exactly, the holocaust didnt happen in AMERICA, Im sure if I were in germany,that argument would be relevant

but I was speaking in terms of the conditions in AMERICA

not in AFRICA, not in GERMANY,, AMERICA

and it may not be common knowledge, but before there can be a solution to a problem there MUST be aknowledgement that the problem exists

denial is not part of the solution,,,

'"All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

so, 'just shut up and stop talking about it',, is also not a solution


Thats my point!! It has happened EVERYWHERE on this entire planet! One could argue it's in our very nature! Yet NO ONE BUT YA'LL ARE BITCHING!! I have NEVER heard a Jew say ANYTHING bad about Germans of today !Only you guys want to blame the CURRENT culture for the wrongs of OTHER PEOPLE!!!

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Here is our president making a racist remark.

"typical white person" He says. LOL

Yet he is not racist LOL!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8gnmUyminI&feature=related


All I heard was that he acknowledged that there were differences in how people of different races perceive things because we have different experiences. At no point did he say anything bad about white people. Honestly, you would disagree with the notion that there's a number of ways that a person could act that would be considered "typical" or "atypical" in terms of social norms?

Not being racist doesn't mean that you try to pretend that everyone is the same, it more about not hating people who are different. If Rick Sanchez had simply said that he and Jon Stewart (or he and the CNN executives) had different perspectives on life because of their background, no one would have cared.

"Typical" isn't inherently mean anything bad, just like "atypical" doesn't inherently mean anything good.


That's your opinion. That's not my opinion, you see to me there is no such thing as a typical white person. Or a typical black person.

But since you agree please tell me sir, what is a typical white person?



You're taking the term out of context. We're not talking about an archetype where there's a set of defined traits. It's a general term. However, there are characteristics that a white person might typically have or responses white people typically might give in certain situations in higher percentages than other races.

For instance, white people typically wear Abercrombie more often than black people or they might typically listen to country. However, that doesn't mean that all (or even most) white people have that trait, just that it wouldn't be out of the ordinary if they did. It doesn't mean that black people never do those things, just that it's less typical.

If Obama had said that typically, white people in this country are more educated and create more wealth non-white people, would you take offense or call that hateful? If not, then why?



Nice so you admit that profiling works then? When it suits you. LOL But if I was to say that the womans response to the black man was a legitimate LEARNED response from all of the black crime, I bet you wont agree. LOL Truth is her response is normal and it's not just whites that feel that way. I could understand if black crime was not so high but it is. So his response is wrong and it is racist to assume her response was typical of a white person. She is a typical american who lives in the city and is aware that many black men rob and steal. Especially one that is asking for money and wouldn't leave her alone after she gave him a dollar. That is the full story BTW by Obama himself.

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oh yeah, I forgot

a majority of white americans believe the 'model minority' myths
i'm not sayin theres no racist asians but you don't here much complaining from them



that could have to do with the fact they their culture is DIFFERENT than american culture,,,you probably wont hear them 'complaining' about many of those things WHITES complain about either




At least you can admit that your "culture" complains in spite of hardships while others with the same issues choose to approach the problem from a different angle. Amazing how well they do it too huh? It's a lesson a lot of us could learn from as my father also agreed with here in this story he used to tell me when I would complain about how bad my life was.

Fun fact:
My father retired from the navy and went to work as a tub boat operator in corpus TX. When he started (in the 70's) he said there were a bunch of poor Asians that would fish out on the docks, He observed how they would eat all the fish the Americans would throw back out and they would sell everything they could. Overtime, they saved and lived sparingly and eventually opened the majority of the shops in the area. Now they dominate the tourist market there.They easily make way more over my father. They were very poor people with NO help from ANYONE, and being this is Texas you bet they had to deal with racism. Yet they prevailed. That is the story my father told me and I am telling it to you because that's how a successful person approaches life.




read again, not MY culture, AMERICAN culture (which is predominately white americans)

and no, its not the SAME issues,, it really isnt

as I explained there is a different ECONOMIC base for asian immigrants and nowhere near the history of OPPRESSIVE treatment in America (yes I know there were camps and there is racism against all minorities),

but the difference here is that BLACKS in america were PROPERTY (asians, although discriminated against, could BUY their equality)

the difference here is that BLACKS , as a result of the segregation laws and jim crow POLICIES of US government were put at an economic disadvantage for most of their history in the STATES which lead to other disparate views about them as compared to other more 'model' minorities

the difference is when you can show that there is DISPARATE treatment of other minorities that can be linked DIRECTLY to a HISTORY of racist policies and laws,, you can compare those with african americans

until then, racism exists against all people YES, but the IMPACT of racially discriminatory and seperatist VIEWS which are reflected through laws and policies, is historically(US HISTORY, IM speaking of) more prone to be affecting BLACK americans,,, and BLACK americans have the right and responsibility to speak up about it


LOL nope you are no victim. You just want someone else to blame. What makes the black's experience worse than the Holocaust? You think you guys had it worse? I don't think so! You don't see Jews running around crying and moaning and asking for handout and bitching and moaning about how bad their ancestors had it ! WTF??? And first of all Why are you not speaking out against Africans? Africans sold white's the slaves remember that? What have you done to stop the SAME Africans from enslaving other Africans? It's happening right now!! What are you doing bitching at us when the real problem is still happening!!?? I swear through history cultures have been killed, conquered and enslaved but YOUR culture is the only one who thinks they have a right to ***** about it for the rest of time. GET OVER IT! Hate is everywhere and racism is everywhere it's not just against you so shut up about it and be a part of the solution not the problem!

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU9iCANi02o&feature=related


September 2007...modern cuture does not require it and he didn't "refuse", probably forgot...why is this news or a current event?

Message to other Stormfront followers here:

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1885586220070718

How ya' like them apples...




LOL If only you knew my beliefs on human origins .LOL!!!rofl rofl rofl




That wouldn't matter considering the sources. It's proven that modern man is about 100,000 years old and we're ALL out of Africa...fact!





LOL you are not hearing me. You mistake me as a person who doesn't like black people. Let me let you in on a secret. I have been aware that we all came from Africa and we all came from ONE "black person" ( true but it's hard to explain the reality of the truth behind that.)since before that study was even done. I don't care, I have dated black guys and Mexican guys. Unfortunately, I think I qualify as a racist because I believe that most black people hate,fear or feel some how wronged by white people on some level. That belief probably qualifies me as a racist. However I don't harbor any ill will towards blacks and it doesn't make me act differently or avoid them . I will however, be the first white woman to openly debate a black person who pulls the race card. I speak my mind no matter where I am at, and I have found that most black people can see my views, and they do know how hard it is to be a white person in a majority black culture. My belief is that racism is a natural part of us. We tend to segregate naturally even in schools. I am not saying we should segregate everyone either but it's clear that at the core of our beings we tend to associate with our own race most comfortably.


"I am not saying we should segregate everyone either but it's clear that at the core of our beings we tend to associate with our own race most comfortably. '

No, this statement would make one an ignorant racist that dispises the Civil Rights Act and would like to promote racial discourse.





Ok then prove me wrong. Show me a study that proves what you say is true. Because all studies have shown humans will always segregate.


And here is your proof.

Revealed: The maps that show the racial breakdown of America’s biggest cities
By DAVID GARDNER
Last updated at 6:25 PM on 26th September 2010

These are the maps that show the racial breakdown of America’s biggest cities.
Using information from the latest U.S. census results, the maps show the extent to which America has blended together the races in the nation’s 40 largest cities.
With one dot equalling 25 people, digital cartographer Eric Fischer then colour-coded them based on race, with whites represented by pink, blacks by blue, Hispanic by orange and Asians by green.
The resulting maps may not represent what many might expect Barack Obama’s integrated rainbow nation to look like, as many cities have clear racial dividing lines.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1315078/Race-maps-America.html#ixzz11yx9GdfD

Detroit: Red represents White, Blue is Black, Green is Asian, Orange is Hispanic, Gray is Other, and each dot represents 25 people


Washington, DC: The east-west divide of the nation's capital can clearly be seen


Los Angeles: The city's Hispanic population lives predominantly in the city's poorer areas


New York: The dots are so dense they almost cannot help but be separated - yet the Big Apple still has clear pockets of ethnicity


San Antonio: The Texan city blurs the lines better than most - though a divide can still be seen

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU9iCANi02o&feature=related


September 2007...modern cuture does not require it and he didn't "refuse", probably forgot...why is this news or a current event?

Message to other Stormfront followers here:

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1885586220070718

How ya' like them apples...








Just because a bunch of non patriotic hippies decided that among burning the flag and stomping on the flag, that it's now ok not to salute the flag, doesn't make it right.

Of all people the president of the united states should salute the flag. He is supposed to be the MOST patriotic!
But hey nothing is sacred anymore.
So what about this in conjunction with that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2RyfYbg5JQ

LOL If only you knew my beliefs on human origins .LOL!!!rofl rofl rofl




he was actually not the president at the time, and he was the only one actually SINGING the national anthem,,lol

whose symbolism is more patriotic,, the one who can make superficial gestures by wearing certain accessories or strategically placing their hands, or the one who actually KNOWS the constitution and the words to the anthem,??? and why should I care?




I bet you money he was not singing the anthem. There was already someone singing it for them. I bet you if you had a lip analyzer look at it you would find him saying something else. Anyway what about the other video?



lol,, yeah,, ok

what about the other video? again, why should I care?



Oh that's right I forgot you only care about Obama not this country. My bad, sorry. I mistook you for someone who actually gave a ****.
Or maybe, just maybe you don't have a answer to your Saviour's deliberate disrespect for our constitution and apparent disagreement with our constitution.

Unless you think there was another reason he chose not to say the word written on the teleprompter and why he scowled and blinked so many times. He was visually upset with it almost like it pained him to even read it.

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it wasn't a birth certificate and you know it wasn't...it was a copy of a certificate of live birth...


It apparently satisfied everyone except the fanatics who will stop at nothing to thwart the will of the electorate.

See, that's one of the ways fanaticism works-- it thinks the Law is there for its exclusive use to acheive only the ends it deems worthy. That it's a last chance 'Gotcha' when no other method works when it's on a By Any Means Necessary mission to save America.

The Birthers are no different than the fanactics who were trying to mount an Impeach George W. Bush campaign every other week.

Ambrose Bierce said it pretty well in his creation of the toungue-in-cheek Devil's Dictionary:



Politics, n., A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. The conduct of public affairs for private advantage.



-Kerry O.


Look I am tired of you calling names. Not one person in this thread has called a name but you, even political motivate names. Keep the personal attacks to yourself.
I don't care if the definition of ******* describes you I wont use it on this forum, so don't use "birthers" to describe people here unless you want the insults and name calling to start. Make your point without insulting people.


I missed where he called anyone a name,,,,what what


He is calling people birthers. I know what it means and I don't care.



WHO did he call a birther?


Go look for yourself and stop being lazy! What are you his personal bodyguard?

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