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Rabbit...listen Precious...... God says in His Word, I would have you PROSPER, even as thy SOUL prospereth...... Now...listen my friend......carefully...cause the enemy of your soul has LIED to you enough about what God's Word REAllY SAYS!! WHEN YOU PROSPER AS YOUR SOUL PROSERS , YOU ARE GOING TO HANDLE MONEY IN THE RIGHT SPIRIT...PLEASING TO GOD..AND USE IT WISELY..AND WILL ALSO GIVE WISELY AS GOD DIRECTS. Read Luke 6:38 Give and it shall be Given.....(I'll let you go find the scripture and read the rest yousrelf ) ALso.. find this in the bible. I let you look this up also ... "God owns the cattle on a thousansd hills...." Rabbit.....IF heaven is so rich, that it even has its streets paved in gold...... do you HONESTLY think that God is going to have a problem with you having wealth ..... here on earth? NO!!!! BUT.... it is HOW you HANDLE your wealth that could be the problem. !!! Not the HAVING of wealth. Everyone wants to dance around the words Jesus actually said. There is no way to escape all of his quotes. The money changers, The camel, what you do to the least. It is one of the cornerstones if not thee corner stone. If you think that you are not run by money then why do you let your government do things to people that are good for the bottom line monetarily but not caring for the poor? You are the person that you talk about that would rather hold on to the few dollars that they have in this earth when it is clear it means nothing after death. The words Jesus spoke are important. Not just some piece of the puzzle. If he is God then he is the KEY. His words are supream. His words are most important. Yes Rabbit...God's Word is Supreme..and we Christians follow that Word. Christians who Love God, and have a relationship with God, DO give to the poor, and give to God, out of LOVE for God and others. When we put God before all things....out of LOVE for God, we Christians WANT to Give....and when we do, God just Blesses us back....and truthfully, a born again chrsitian is so in love with God...that if he were to not have anything, He would still want to Give!! Praise God!! God sees our heart, and blesses His people...even if we had nothing..we are still happy and Rich in just serving Him!! Rabbit...when we truly have the Lord in our lives we do all the things God wants us to do..out of LOVE for Him, and not because we have to. We WANT to PLEASE GOD!!! And btw, the christian churhes DO give to the poor..everywhere. And also, churches today ARE waking up and falling in love with Jesus..and God's people are coming together in One Accord....denominations are meeting and inviting all denominatiions to join them to worship together.......we meet in each others churches..and instead of looking at our differenecs, we are beginning to now just worship our Lord together!!! I see this happening everywhere....DEAD churchs are WAKING up....and coming together and becoming on fire for God!! 
(tears of pure joy and thankfulness) Rabbit...I pray you will accept Jesus...there is no greater Joy. And everything else will fall in place for you. When you put Jesus first, He will bless you..just because He loves to Bless His people! And when you come to Jesus, you will WANT to give and give and give and give...cause Jesus living in your heart puts that DESIRE there..to love and give to others. And to God. A christians walk with the Lord Jesus is a LOVE walk !!! 
And Rabbit..whern a christian gives, guess what....God will just keep giving it back to you..cause He loves you and wants you to propser. And even when a nonchristian gives, God still multiplies it back... ...cause there is a principle at work here also. But do you know what happenes in the heart of a christian,when God gives back to us? A christian gives it right back to God, once more. And God gives it back again, mulitplied. And a christian now has even more to give....so he gives back to God and gives to help others once more.... Each time a christian gives, God gives more....and multiplies our giving. Then we have MORE to give back, and to help others with.
YOU CAN'T OUTGIVE GOD! 
Getting a little side tracked here but I have to address it because it shows how far off of Gods message you are. You somehow believe that God is going to make Good Christians prosper. Lets just look at the Christian Black slave in America. surely you do not think that these people were all bad Christians with out the "light" of Jesus in them. A majority of them were Christians and they did not prosper at all. God does not give wealth in this world and it is just that easy to prove. Just look at the words of Jesus with truth in your mind and you will understand. His message is obvious and clear. Harder for a Rich man then a Camel, Parable of the Rich man in hell looking up at Lazerus, what you do to the least you do to me, anger at the money changers. It is all there. Add to it the sin of sodem and gomorah. |
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from the net... Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus This is the parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus, spoken by Jesus in Luke 16:19-31. Now there was a rich man, and he habitually dressed in purple and fine linen, joyously living in splendor every day. And a poor man named Lazarus was laid at his gate, covered with sores, and longing to be fed with the crumbs which were falling from the rich man's table; besides, even the dogs were coming and licking his sores. Lazarus and the rich man die Now the poor man died and was carried away by the angels to Abraham's bosom; and the rich man also died and was buried. Rich man's 1st plea In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried out and said, "Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame." The Gulf But Abraham said, "Child, remember that during your life you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus bad things; but now he is being comforted here, and you are in agony. And besides all this, between us and you there is a great chasm fixed, so that those who wish to come over from here to you will not be able, and that none may cross over from there to us." Rabbit you got the Bible thumpers there! So the rich are going to hell. Can you imagine Don Trump with his millions of dollars, many marriges, and gambling casinos, not going to hell? Yeah they see pretty quite about this one. I guess parables are more clear to them. Maybe Jesus knew what he was up to after all. |
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rabbit said: QUOTE: None of these words are from the mouth of Jesus. This is also one small instance compared to so many that Jesus made clear in his words. Why cling to the one instead of the many from the mouth of God himself? END OF QUOTE. ---------------- The mouth of God himself? - You have said in a previous thread that Jesus is not God. I am not clinging to one, merely quoted one example. And that was the very reason I chose this one!!!!!! Ask yourself the same question - take everything in context. Everything, not just a few words that you think that you can use to confuse or deceive others.
I do not believe that Jesus was God. I do however think he was a very smart teacher. The people that defend his words as only some suggestion to be followed losley as long as you feel good inside. They do believe Jesus is God. If you believe he is God don't you think his words would be the corner stone dont you think that when he came to earth his words were already chosen carefully? Why do you think that he would say things in an ambiguous way? If he was God he would know that people could easily look past one statement. So he made many. A rich man in Heaven is Harder then a Camel through a needle, the parable of the Rich man in hell and poor lazerus in heaven, if you want to be perfect give it all away and follow me, he tells the Rich man you follow the laws but now give awy your wealth and the rich man can't. Blessed are the poor, When did I see you o lord-what you do to the least you do to me. I am the one lying? I am the one that does not understand. I refuse to deceive you and more importantly I refuse to deceive myself. The words of Jesus are clear. The interpretation saying they mean diffrent then what they say are very muddy. |
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This is just another thread that begins with a false statement: -------------------------------
Read the whole story, Pray for the Holy spirit to give understanding: The story points out that: Jesus looked at this man and loved him.
Anyone who had more than food, clothing and shelter would have been considered rich. Jesus did not criticize the man for being rich—He loved him. Therefore it is obvious the great wealth was not the man’s problem but rather how it affected his relationship with God. As God is love, relationships are of prime importance to God. If wealth was a problem how would the following have taken place:: Deuteronomy 8 18 “And you shall remember the LORD your God, for it is He who gives you power to get wealth, that He may establish His covenant which He swore to your fathers, as it is this day.” Many of the people obviously approved by God in the Old Testament were wealthy. Job, Abraham, Jacob (Israel), and Solomon are good examples. If God wanted His “best” people to stay poor, would the following scene have taken place? 1 Kings 3 5 At Gibeon the LORD appeared to Solomon in a dream by night; and God said, “Ask! What shall I give you?” 6 And Solomon said: “You have shown great mercy to Your servant* David my father, because he walked before You in truth, in righteousness, and in uprightness of heart with You; You have continued this great kindness for him, and You have given him a son to sit on his throne, as it is this day. 7 Now, O LORD my God, You have made Your servant king instead of my father David, but I am a little child; I do not know how to go out or come in. 8 And Your servant is in the midst of Your people whom You have chosen, a great people, too numerous to be numbered or counted. 9 Therefore give to Your servant an understanding heart to judge Your people, that I may discern between good and evil. For who is able to judge this great people of Yours?” 10 The speech pleased the LORD, that Solomon had asked this thing. 11 Then God said to him: “Because you have asked this thing, and have not asked long life for yourself, nor have asked riches for yourself, nor have asked the life of your enemies, but have asked for yourself understanding to discern justice, 12 behold, I have done according to your words; see, I have given you a wise and understanding heart, so that there has not been anyone like you before you, nor shall any like you arise after you. 13 And I have also given you what you have not asked: both riches and honor, so that there shall not be anyone like you among the kings all your days.
"He who has ears, let him hear" None of these words are from the mouth of Jesus. This is also one small instance compared to so many that Jesus made clear in his words. Why cling to the one instead of the many from the mouth of God himself? The people you listed where kings, leaders of people. The wealth that they had was a communal wealth to be shared with the people that they lived with possibly. I don't think any of you are kings? ( although you live like them) What about the Rich man that ends up in hell just for being Rich while Lazarus is in Heaven. This parable is so clear surely no one can distort it. You won't say that a needle is really a huge rock wall, or that the money changers were really thieves not people like us. At what point do you stop changing the words and just trust that Jesus knew what he was saying? |
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I am would like to know all the places God spoke for himself in the Bible. So Jesus speaking would be God speaking for himself, or God writing out the Ten Commandments on stone. In other places it would be Paul saying "this is what God said to me" . The same with the Prophets the would relay what God said. So using this as a guide are there any other places where God speaks for himself? He spoke through the angel of the Lord in the OT as well. In the church age, begun and evidenced as such in Acts 2:4, God speaks through the saints. Most notably Paul. Who, by the way, was the greratest persecuter of the church in its genesis. he paid dearly to be God's proxy in his generation. No better teacher and exhorter and expounder of the historical written record of God's word, and a preacher anointed w/ the Holy Spirit to do so. Today, he does speak through the saints by the Holy Spirit. He that has ears to hear, let him hear. He that has eyes to see, let him see.
But even Paul would say "this is what God said to me" I am looking for places where it is actually God. |
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If you don't know the answer you can just say so  
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I am would like to know all the places God spoke for himself in the Bible. So Jesus speaking would be God speaking for himself, or God writing out the Ten Commandments on stone. In other places it would be Paul saying "this is what God said to me" . The same with the Prophets the would relay what God said. So using this as a guide are there any other places where God speaks for himself? |
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from the net...
Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus This is the parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus, spoken by Jesus in Luke 16:19-31. Now there was a rich man, and he habitually dressed in purple and fine linen, joyously living in splendor every day. And a poor man named Lazarus was laid at his gate, covered with sores, and longing to be fed with the crumbs which were falling from the rich man's table; besides, even the dogs were coming and licking his sores. Lazarus and the rich man die Now the poor man died and was carried away by the angels to Abraham's bosom; and the rich man also died and was buried. Rich man's 1st plea In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried out and said, "Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame." The Gulf But Abraham said, "Child, remember that during your life you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus bad things; but now he is being comforted here, and you are in agony. And besides all this, between us and you there is a great chasm fixed, so that those who wish to come over from here to you will not be able, and that none may cross over from there to us." |
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Merry Meet, As you can tell, I don't live my life by the Bible. If is said to be Rich is a Sin i the Bible So. What kind of Rich they are talking about? Is is Rich in Money, Rich in Love, Rich In Happiness, Or Rich in any other Emotion or such thngs in life, that we are most Happiest. Now how could that be a Sin? To be Rich in anything is Great. Im Rich in my Knowledge of my Faith. That makes Me Enlighted and Happy, is that a Sin too? Just as any Christian would be Rich in the beliefs of Jesus, I guess that would be concidered a Sin too?... Just my thoughts, not try to get people angry.. Love & Light GeminiGoddess
No I am being clear this is only monetary wealth that Jesus spoke out against.
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It is not being a zealot to speak the truth about one's beliefs. It is not being a zealot to care about others nor to be sick of the lies and bullying of others. "There is no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit."
Thanks Britty for sticking up for me He didn't offend me though |
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The bible does Not teach that it is a sin to be rich. I once knew a person that was doing something wrong, Not wrong like Against the criminal law, But the person knew that what he wore doing was wrong, And did not feel good about it inside. that person always was trying to justify himself, Always trying to make others believe that he was happy and satisfied with himself. He would make a statment that he knew was not true, So that others would try to explain it to him, He knew thay would, And he would then try to argue with them. He had to argue, to try and justify himself, to try and make others look bad, like thay wore wrong, not him. And he lived unhappily ever after. The End. just a story Ya'll might enjoy. Any ladies want out there want to chat? I do enjoy this story. I think it is a perfect example of the way our society is so caught up in material things that we would rather twist the word of God to fit our circumstances as opposed to making our lives fit the word. Maybe I should go about this a diffrent way. Do you think the very poor Christians in the world think that Jesus was just talking about how you feel inside and not about how your really live your life? Do you think they watch the rich Christian that has crazy wealth that they cannot even imagine while they have a hard time just feeding their children every day. Then the poor man says opens his Bible reads those words and thinks "I bet Jesus just meant this as something you feel, not a real action at all" |
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Rabbit...listen Precious...... God says in His Word, I would have you PROSPER, even as thy SOUL prospereth...... Now...listen my friend......carefully...cause the enemy of your soul has LIED to you enough about what God's Word REAllY SAYS!! WHEN YOU PROSPER AS YOUR SOUL PROSERS , YOU ARE GOING TO HANDLE MONEY IN THE RIGHT SPIRIT...PLEASING TO GOD..AND USE IT WISELY..AND WILL ALSO GIVE WISELY AS GOD DIRECTS. Read Luke 6:38 Give and it shall be Given.....(I'll let you go find the scripture and read the rest yousrelf ) ALso.. find this in the bible. I let you look this up also ... "God owns the cattle on a thousansd hills...." Rabbit.....IF heaven is so rich, that it even has its streets paved in gold...... do you HONESTLY think that God is going to have a problem with you having wealth ..... here on earth? NO!!!! BUT.... it is HOW you HANDLE your wealth that could be the problem. !!! Not the HAVING of wealth. Everyone wants to dance around the words Jesus actually said. There is no way to escape all of his quotes. The money changers, The camel, what you do to the least. It is one of the cornerstones if not thee corner stone. If you think that you are not run by money then why do you let your government do things to people that are good for the bottom line monetarily but not caring for the poor? You are the person that you talk about that would rather hold on to the few dollars that they have in this earth when it is clear it means nothing after death. The words Jesus spoke are important. Not just some piece of the puzzle. If he is God then he is the KEY. His words are supream. His words are most important. |
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Rabbit... it is the lOVE of money that is the root of all evil...not money itself. The bible is talking about those who horde money upon themselves, and have no mercy for the poor. Rabbit...there is a BIG difference between You having WEALTH ... versus Wealth having YOU . A lot of people take scripture out of context, and therefore ,make the Word say anything they want it to say.... One needs to Study the WHOLE Word, not just part. But first, one needs to be born again , in order for the Word to make sense.
Abra has already explained the flaw in this logic of being born again first. You would need to understand the Bible to Believe that Jesus is the lord. Only when you thought he was the lord would you ask him into your heart. Then you would be born again. So if you cannot understand the Bible until your born again then it is impossible. This seems like a pretty easy concept to remember |
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Sorry to hear that TLW. I hope you find peace |
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Nay - Abraham was rich - It is rich to know God Obviously you do not understand that I am referring to monatary wealth. obviously you do not understand it is not the money that is the sin it is what you do or not do with it that is the sin ----------- and does it not say in there somewhere it is not up to people to judge the sins of others ------------ just a thought but hey what do i know You look like you are the one that is deciding what Jesus's words really mean. It looks like your making a judgment on what sin is based on your interpretation as opposed to the actual words. so if it is the coin that is a sin it matters not how many of them you have having any is a sin if it is the coin its self materials do not sin it is what man does with those materials that may or may not be a sin using your logic then sin has verying levels but think what you want So by this logic you would say there is nothing sinful about owning child pornography. (I think that is sick) |
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Ezekiel 16:49 " 'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. Amos 5:11 You trample on the poor and force him to give you grain. Therefore, though you have built stone mansions, you will not live in them; though you have planted lush vineyards, you will not drink their wine. Matthew 5:3 "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 19:21 Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." John 2:15 So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. Matthew 19:24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." Luke 4:18 "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed, Luke 6:20 Looking at his disciples, he said: "Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God. Luke 11:41 But give what is inside the dish to the poor, and everything will be clean for you. Lets take Amos 5:11. Do you know that the monetary food aid that the US gives to other countries that are in the midst of a famine must be spent on US grown food. So that means any amount of food that the farmers in the poor country have manged to grow is now worth nothing. It could have had a great value when our US tax dollars got there and boosted things up but instead it went to impoverish the poor man and possibly make him worse off then he was before. Possibly put many farmers out of business for good and make the country poorer in food production then it was. Amos 5:11 You trample on the poor and force him to give you grain. Therefore, though you have built stone mansions, you will not live in them; though you have planted lush vineyards, you will not drink their wine. http://www.heritage.org/research/TradeandForeignAid/bg665.cfm what does have to do the teachings in the Bible about giving to the poor, and the monetary aid given by the US to poor countries? Our US tax dollars actually go to impoverishing poor people in other country. Taking their grain from them like the verse says. |
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Look in the mirror.....yea face is totally straight...not even a smile. I would totally give everything he asked.....Yes Yes Yes.....The whole point of it is to not put credence in wordly things....because do you take it with you silly wabbit? Nope.....So kind of a mudane thing to say, "Those with the most toys wins" Because in reality those that Love the Lord about and beyond all of it....and who's faith is unwavering are the true winners. And get something rabbit it has nothing to do with the wealth as much as it does the priority. If people make money their God.....well thats all well and good....but you ain't going to heaven. Jesus says you are blessed if you understand where to put and how to deal with your worldly stuff....money, toys, etc. He gives me many many blessings including money...but I in turn give it back...not because it's expected of me....but because I want to. From where I stand you would rather twist the very clear words of Jesus then to part with what you have. I see that you try to get out from under this very clear message. Like I said earlier. Even if youy made one of these disappear by warping the message of Jesus there are many more. The tossing of the money changers, blessed are the poor, what you do to the least of my brothers. Etc.. This is not some type of message that you can make disapeare. You will not live up to it. You would rather hold on to the things of this world and twist the words of God then to follow them. |
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CAMEL CAMEL kamelos ( <START GREEK>ka/mhlo$ <END GREEK>, NT:2574), from a Hebrew word signifying "a bearer, carrier," is used in proverbs to indicate (a) "something almost or altogether impossible," Matt 19:24, and parallel passages, (b) "the acts of a person who is careful not to sin in trivial details, but pays no heed to more important matters," Matt 23:24. (from Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words, Copyright © 1985, Thomas Nelson Publishers.) The camel reference meaning is here WOW |
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If I was to take your reading of the "camel needle" it would still mean that Jesus is saying that it will take a some huge effort on the part of God to get just 1 rich man into heaven. mmmmmmm...seems you have changed "your" stance on this one????? I said if I went with hers. I do not believe he is just being clever. I think Jesus is being very clear. |
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Ok wabbit lets take the scripture and break it down. Mark 10 17-30 First off you have to understand that Jesus was talking to a rich young ruler when all this came down... As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. "Good teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?" "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone. You know the commandments: 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, do not defraud, honor your father and mother.' "Teacher," he declared, "all these I have kept since I was a boy." ANSWER: Now first off it's one thing to keep the 10 commandments....but another if your living your life in a selfish manner and not giving to those in need....as this ruler did. Jesus looked at him and loved him. "One thing you lack," he said. "Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." ANSWER: When Jesus said go sell everything that you have....this was testing this man's faith.....If Jeus asked me the same thing I would do in a minute...because I know that he would have my back so to speak. At this the man's face fell. He went away sad, because he had great wealth. Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God!" ANSWER: Being rich does not get you into the Kingdom of God. The disciples were amazed at his words. But Jesus said again, "Children, how hard it is[e] to enter the kingdom of God! It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." ANSWER: Meaning going through the eye of a needle would be easier....because money does not get you into heaven. The disciples were even more amazed, and said to each other, "Who then can be saved?" Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but not with God; all things are possible with God." ANSWER: Meaning man, money none of it will give you a ticket to heaven.....only faith will. Peter said to him, "We have left everything to follow you!" "I tell you the truth," Jesus replied, "no one who has left home or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or fields for me and the gospel will fail to receive a hundred times as much in this present age (homes, brothers, sisters, mothers, children and fields—and with them, persecutions) and in the age to come, eternal life. But many who are first will be last, and the last first." ANSWER: Jesus was trying to get across you didn't leave it all for "the stuff" or the people, but because of your faith in me. I cannot believe you can say this with a straight face. So here is what I am saying you claim that if "god asked" you give up all your wealth you would. Well he does just that over and over again in the Bible. You however come in following all the rules but having a sower face because this is the one you cannot and will not give up. If I was to take your reading of the "camel needle" it would still mean that Jesus is saying that it will take a some huge effort on the part of God to get just 1 rich man into heaven. Your last sentence I piece I can't make sence of. I can just say that Jesus makes it clear that he is telling them they are blessed because they left all those things behind. He judged there faith by their actions. If you feel you can go around and do anything you want regardless of what Jesus states I think you are mis-reading the Bible. |
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