..The bible has been through so many political re-writes..
Originally, there were multiple gods and reincarnation.
Who are you to tell anyone what "God's plan" is, based on
some political, machievellian rag written by Roman nobility?
Or Levites? - It's the money lenders that "Jesus" was pissed at
who highjacked Christianity (and most other religeons).
It's a political, fear-based BOOK - It has some truth in it but
you're relying on a singularity to declare it the word of "God".

"Christmas", rambill, is a PAGAN holiday - as are all the other holidays in the bible. The "founding fathers" were just as full of sh*t as the current administration, just better at disguising it
with lofty claptrap about equality and freedom. They owned SLAVES.
They killed 14 million Native Americans. HELLO! WAKEY-WAKEY! This country was founded on greed, lies, theft and murder! You wrap it
in a flag and call it noble or honorable?

Hey, davinci - Don't mind these feebs who still trust their govt.
at this late stage; anyone who doesn't realise by now
that giving this administration any power or credibility is like
giving the keys of a Lamborghini to a drunk teenager is willfully
delusional.

...and don't let them fool you - There IS no "safe" level of radiation - Over half of EVERYONE now succumbs to cancer.

Hey, rambill - Why don't you check out what the pentagram's own nuclear and biological expert, Maj. Doug Rokke, has to say on the topic?

Hey, rambill - check with the red cross or w.h.o. or Doctors Without Borders or Ramsey Clark and find out how much Iraqi cancer and birth defect incidence multiplied since '91.
http://www.thewe.cc/weplanet/news/depleted_uranium_iraq_afghanistan_balkans.html
(- Here's those pics you wanted..)

So, rambill -
Are you saying that whether or not starting this war of aggression was a BAD idea or not (and let's, for the sake of argument, say it that WAS a bad idea), we should.. continue supporting
(throwing money and lives down the Dispos-All) what was just wrong
in the first place? dig a DEEPER hole? And what do you mean: "whether I'm for or against the war is irrelevant"? If you took an oath to defend and uphold the constitution and you see your leaders wipe their ass with it, is that of no relevance also?
We should just keep bullying? Is THAT your idea? If it's WRONG,
just keep going WRONG-ER?

There's no specific law requiring anyone to pay labor tax.
I understand you'll lose in court, unless you get a jury trial
and demand the law be shown to the jury. I've heard that people have walked that way. (They CAN'T produce it).

I know in small towns with low crime, a cop wanting his gold badge in a hurry may want to plant drugs/guns in your car or smash a light out, but good ol' boy systems are the norm globally, small
scale and large.
You see how corrupt our nation's highest office always is?
Well, it's a trickle-down. This country was founded on the abuse of authority. The guiltiest lawbreakers are the lawmakers.

jwaddy - I grew up in N.Y.C. late '70s through mid '90s
and can assure you that the overwhelming majority of the "Finest"
were the most unspeakably corrupt, murderous bullies you could imagine. The rest were lemmings who went along to get along.
The "Serpico" syndrome is real - an honest cop with a true sense of justice is often a pariah on the force.

Right, davinci - you'd think we'd have learned by now...
Always in a hurry to control others when we can't even control ourselves..

- 'Hat's off to you, Fanta.
At least SOMEONE here factors in HISTORY!

Amen. NOBODY's guiltier of terrorizing (and killing) more civilians worldwide than the U.S. govt..
That's what Martin Luther King said - and THAT's what got him
whacked - same with John Lennon.
You can talk anti-war all you want, unless you have the ears of millions - The, you're a threat..

Oldsage, these swine are not to be trusted with your son's life.
They had these kids blowing up chemical and biological weapons caches in Iraq with no real protection, without even bothering to find out which kinds they were sometimes, and the chemical protective suits they had in the '91 war DID'NT WORK.
If it's so safe there, why are so many Gulf War 1 vets disabled
sick and dying? ..and having birth defects when they have kids?

Oldsage: Look up Captain Joyce Riley - She made a documentary she'll send free to any past or present serviceman called: Beyond Treason. D.U. is NOT "depleted" near enough, since breathing one tiny particle can do you in.. Then, there's Gulf War Illness -
Talk to "Veterans for Peace"..

Rambill - let me get this straight.. You think think "God" cares about man-made, imaginary borders?

Not only was the area the first outpost of "civilisation" after the fall of Atlantis, most of the stories in the bible were found written on clay cuniform as happening thousands of years BEFORE the events in the bible were supposed to have happened. (Different names, of course..)
Egypt grew out of the Summerian empire also, and "Iraq" at the time was the world's FIRST democracy - BEFORE Greece.

Why don't you go a little further back - after W.W.1, when the "allies" drew lines in the sand and created these countries -
or even further, mid nineteenth century, when England was competing with Russia for the plundering of the area.
Remember what happened to the arrogant, "superior" British
on the Kyber Pass retreat. Remember Afghan civilians mustard gassed from biplanes under a young Winston Churchill.
Remember, under Operation Paperclip, the U.S. drooling over the Nazi intelligence database, had many leading Nazi bogeymen come work for us, with get out of jail free cards. Some Nazi SS and Gestapo leaders were sent to the middle East to foment, militarise and train fanatics (They also got sent to south America to do the same for us - remember how Nazi the uniforms were in Chile after we had that country's democraticaly elected president killed?
Remember the Nazi and U.S. trained Savak secret police? (One of their leaders danced at Bush's inauguration ball..
Remember Kermit Roosevelt, sent by the C.I.A. to take down Iran's democratically elected president, Mossedehg, because he tried to put SOME of Iranian's own oil revenue back into Iranian hands..

Rambill - I HAVE seen what these monstrous babies look like, and so can you. - 'want some photos?
..And Barbie - Do you really think "God" has favourite countries?
Are you always such a sucker for protection rackets?
It's people who think that God likes THEM the best, who feel a self-righteous sense of ENTITLEMENT to marginalise, oppress and
butcher other people. You keep mentioning God. Do you really think "He" wants you approving the killing of large numbers of civilians, so you can kid yourself you're safer?
Tell me - after how many deaths will you feel safe?

Hey, even our guys are getting it - it's used in tank armour and
crews sitting over it have gotten rectal cancer.