See, there's that smile I miss! Good luck with your classes, mine start Wednesday

Lavishing upon the
Foundational Sweets
and Creams
such a cloying road,
sweet sweet
and sweet concentrated
expulsion of an overworked
throat....
So full of negatives,
that's all past, now
satiate oneself on
The Milk and Honey
I'm living that dream,
and it's EVERYTHING
I wanted to cream
It's anyone that
gropes me, licking
and saying 'I'm their sweet."
It's already making
me so shallow, so
slovenly in my
creamy smiles and honey dreams

-The honey crystals s..l..o..w..l..y dissolve in hot milk-

And that's not all,
not alll there is to it
When the rush of knowing
you just might belong,
might invade your
space, your oozing head,
Hey! Isn't That Better Instead!?

I can't get my fill,
I don't even pretend to stop my hands...
I don't ever want to feel,
I can't, however, keep control of my hands...

Thanks MzEm...where the heck you been? I miss ya!

Thanks Flatline, I'd seen that movie a long time ago. I loved how he paws through all the stolen drugs and says "Squares. Never mess with Squares." and then goes straight for the Dilaudid. I have everybook I his that I can find, he's awesome!

this is hilarious, great job!

I don't know how famous he is, but mine is from William S. Burroughs. He's in the class of writers as Allen Ginsberg and Keuorac(sp?)

"Today's battlelines and wild frontiers are tomarrows supermarkets and shopping malls. Time and Banality strike the hardest blows."

Thank you both for reading.

Red
OK, I see the message behind your words. I've seen the videos and fliers that expose the horrors of raising livestock. Are these truly the conditions of ALL livestock and fowls? There are laws in place that have already considered the "morality" of raising food.

It appears the videos and fliers are in contradiction with these laws.....

Research can be done in many ways, and not to sound glib, but the byproducts you mentioned do not all stem from our current advancements in farming. Many of them deal with morals of quite another kind.

it's not really the "best" thing to do,
but I can't help acting just like the rest of you:

"I'd gotten so lost,
feeling guilty from missed opportunities
feeling guilty over imagined chances
I'd like sometime to tell myself "Hey, it's ok....it's ok...."
but the surcharge of BANALITY is such a bother to pay
I'd like sometime to say "Hey, I really wanna make a "difference"."
Well....they'd asked & I haven't been heard from since...."

it's not really the "worst" thing to do,
But I can't help feeling I don't give a damn about any of you:

"You'd gotten so confused, so lost,
clinging tenaciously to someones' "Surity Dream"
clinging tenaciously for a wasted, insidious paradox
You'd been telling me: "Hey, be just like this & it's ok...."
so how mch more time in BOREDOM must I play?
You say: "Hey, look just like this & you'll be the "difference"."
Well....I'd looked & they haven't asked again...."

it's not even the "only" thing to do,
but I can't help thinking maybe I really am just like all of you:

"We're really gettin lost, really f*cking confused & a bit overused
Screaming at the "CONTROLLER" in the skies,
Screaming under the weight of its imagined despise
It'll ask us to placate & say: "I'm saved....Hey!....i'm saved."
but "saved" from what? they will never proclaim
It'll ingratiate us to say: "The "difference" is better than men."
Yeah, right! They scream this everywhere I go, I want to INCEND...."

So....I don't get it,
it's not the "BEST",
it's not even the "WORST",
and won't ever be the "ONLY" thing to do,
Should it just be the same, the same as all of you.......?

Hey There Red!

To start, there was no threat perceived....that's just how I write

I did consider the morality of the question. But if you realize you have power over something and you can manipulate it to your own ends and desires, then you really don't have to consider the morality of the situation.

Because the actions already committed back then, now and up ahead already override any second thoughts about "Is what I'm doing to this animal really wrong?". This is what we are, animals that like to eat other animals, we've just figured out the best way to always get a meal.

Does the animal have rights? Yes.
Does it's life have value? Yes.

Do we really consider the morality of what we're doing to the animal as we drink our milk, eat our cheeseburger, slip on our leather coats and suede shoes, and run to the store for fertilizer and glue? Not a second thought

Is it wrong? I'm gonna have to say no, I like all those above mentioned items from a cow, I won't lie. But we do breed them, change them to suit our needs, feed them, care for and shelter them. We consider them to be property and therein lies the animals' value, therein lies the range in which we will extend them any rights.

Do we have the right to treat all life this way? Assuredly not, there is no reason to be cruel, overhunt and extinguish a species.

But in the end we will do what we do, simply because we can.

"We have such sights to show you!" Pinhead, HellRaiser

Thank you, you are Sweet

Thanks again gossip!

Hey There! The point I was trying to get across was a little more subtle. The statement means what it says: "We have the right to eat the cows simply because we CAN." You don't have to attach morals, ethics, virtues, or vices to the statement because it needs none of these.

One of my favorite quotes is from William S. Burroughs:
"NOTHING IS ALLOWED. EVERYTHING IS PERMITTED."

This is what I was trying to convey, there are limits to our power, limits to the cows. You want to eat that animal, go ahead, it's within your power.

And this isn't an arguemnt for power is might...you already have the power. And since we have the power, we eat the cows simply because we can. We do all the things we have done for that same reason. We can look back in hindsight and attach the morals,ethics,virtues and vices simply because you can.

So with that in mind, if your Scenario 1 were to take place, then yes, that advanced vampire race can do all those things simply because they can, it's within their power....the question is how much is in our power to stop it? In the end it is still the same game of Nature: Eat or be Eaten.

As for the Scenario 2, I can't attach the morals, etc. to my belief because the arguemnt is still the same. Besides the rules we impose upon ourselves, I still say "Nothing is allowed. Everything is Permitted."

Of course I'm not advocating cruelty to animals or painfull death, but the only way to eat the cow is to kill it. Eat or Be Eaten.

Look forward to your response!