This has nothing to do with where someone is from. This is about that the world needs to get rid of danger. Its boring to get the same "excuses", about different things non-muslims did to either protect their land and people looong ago (as they obviously still need to do) or it was conducted by powerhungry people and had nothing to do with for example Christianity (to the very contrary of killings in islams founders name and accoerding to his very conduct). Its about we are in this century still needing to fight against crazy ideologies such as islam. why? because it wasnt shut down then. Why? excuses after excuses and references that has nothing to do with THE FACT THAT ISLAM IS TRYING TO RIP THE WORLD APART N O W. again. no other believers in anything else is terrorizing the world like that. ignorance is obviously very dangerous. islamists have used the very attitudes of many non-muslims to even enter societies and try ripping them apart, and what is astonishing is that despite recent Paris and all whats happened and happening in the name of (real)islam, people have the audacity (here or elsewhere) to even try twisting it around and putting it up for being about freedoms of whatever sort. this is exactly and only about PROTECTING THOSE FREEDOMS, and to do so, one needs to shut islam down. and this has nothing to do with someones personality, hate or not. its only about realizing the threat and shutting it down. if this was germany ww2, this would be discussion about the nazis, and the ignorant would try such for hitler and nazism. problem is, what happened when also they realized whats going on and what nazism truly is - after the horrifics? and, for those trying to downplay islamists part in nazism, they killed with and for hitler, however others he found interesting to only read about, islamists helped him to actually kill. opportunists cant get any opportunity from those who do not share their whatever. islam is always an open opportunity for slaughter of non-muslims, obviously even today. why? islam is about submission. meaning whomever wants true liberty and stands up for it, will be up for slaugheter. instead of wasting time and efforts on pointing at those who are in realization in forums like this or wherever else, try to understand the real reality of islam (well, its actually not hard, turn on the tv and check what those terrorizing beleive in), get educated by non-muslims who speaks out about islam, so that you can take that blindfold off and start helping to make this a better world by shutting islam down. as i said, why i leave this site (only remained this long for you to see this) is because i would do the same if this was ww2 and they allowed nazisupporters to roam around and use peoples freedoms against them, and since i realize it when several others dont but should.

Those who would try the "hater" thing. You obviously dont know me but think you do. Doublestandards.

This has nothing to do with a persons feelings, its about realization. This is not about agreeing or not, its about realizing this is a threat that needs to be stopped and how.

If trying to help out and make people realize how to help the world become a better world by realizing and getting rid off an ideology that is ripping the world apart is referred to as "hate" by you and others, then im happy to be a "hater". you go on being the selfproclaimed "non-hater", but that doesnt stop people from being slaughtered and societies from being ripped apart by islam. on the contrary.

It was to the other person, "frank" (and those who share his views).

islamists are using democratic values (which they hate) against people. islam does not tolerate many important democratic values. islam is about cruelty and inhumanity, hence it cant be allowed to speak any further (its actions have spoken enough), just as the victims of for example Paris were silenced, islamists should be silenced by banning islam in the west.

you seem to be following another ideology, i.e. "atheism"...? I dont know what cruelty you are referring to when it comes to Christians. Nothing in Christianity preaches anything against humanity, on the contrary, many of our societies are developed around Christian values, hence democracy has been able to develop. Most situations in history, where people who claim themselves being Chrisrians, have been forced to use violence, for example when they needed to shut sialm down, as this ideology does not respond to anything else than violence, obviously.

Its a long useless "discussion" and I dont think it is interesting to discuss with atheists or alike, its the same boring arguments and hence contra arguments. however, here, it is about islam, a cruel ideology, that has since it ever showed itself, been into violence and killings. Yes one should rip it apart theoretically and show what disgusting things it has in its books, but, i think its not interesting doing so anymore, when they are on the level of war. islam needs to be shut down. thats all needed, and whomever has some interest in reading more, they can if they think they have that luxury while their fellow people are being blown up.

Christians can never do anything bad in the name of Christianity, it would be a huge contradiction, as Christianity is about love, forgiveness etc. whatever people do in the name of anything, if cruel, then it is put on them. in this, whatever islamists do in the name of their ideology, they are doing what it says and what their founder did himself. thats the problem, hence it should be shut down. shut down first, ask later.

(i just joined this site, but im considering cancelling the membership here, as i think its awful they even allow islamists roaming around saying crazy things, especially in such circumstances)

We all know what islam is and is not, and even trying to keep on tricking people that it has anything to do with any true religion is crazy. Islam is an ideology and NOT a religion.

Enough with all the political correctness and not calling it for what is really is. a cruel ideology. Founded by a cruel beheader who was illiterate and stole some parts of different existing real religions and put it in his ideology manifesto but he could offcourse not hide his true self of killings and hatred towards non-muslims.

Islam is an ideology that has nothing to do with any religion, it is against humanity.

They try using every trick on westerners and ignorant people to make it look ok, but it is a cruel ideology, wasting people and the world should be extremely fed up, and no one should show this ideology any more smiling faces or hugs or whatever idiocy. No more than what someone would (not) show hitler (islam helped him kill and hate) and the nazis. Nazis, a cruel ideology aswell, but islam is the worst.

If you do not understand or have not any knowledge of that islam has more than 100 direct orders in its books for non-muslims to be slaughtered and all cruelty possible, then..check such facts. Ignorance is dangerous.