LOL...audio tapes. You can edit audio. It's clear america doesn't want anyone to know he's dead because the campaign in the ME would be a farse. He had failing kidneys, i've never seen anyone live more than five years on dialysis...but maybe OBL is superhuman.
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Au contraire, you are mistaken. Educate YOURSELF by reading "The Controversy Of Zion" and research the USS Liberty. Don't be silly. I know about the USS Liberty and I know about the ridiculous Zionist conspiracy theories. This book is just a transparent false rehash of the infamous antisemitic forgery "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion". This has nothing to do with Hamas - you bring it up only because you have no real justification. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion In my post above I explained that Hamas grew out of the Muslim Brotherhood which predates Israel. You'll find that the State of Israel is not the peaceful neighbor and US ally that the controlled US media would have you believe. The State of Israel does a TERRIBLE disservice to true and virtuous Jews worldwide. P.S. There's plenty of racism and barbarism on the Israeli side, too. Save your tears. Israel has been at war pretty much since before her existence. That means protecting her citizens and armed conflict - I know they are neither pussycats nor blameless - but again it has nothing to do with Hamas. Israel uses checkpoints and only attacks those who launch rockets or bomb them. If Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Fatah, the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade and Hizbullah and their ilk stopped attacking innocent civilians the fighting would be over and the Palestinians could begin to live their lives and prosper in peace and security. Simple as that. Checkpoints are not the same as bus bombs and purposefully killing civilians with no other goal except to kill civilians. That is the difference between Israel and Hamas. That is what should disgust you, honestly. I should be disgusted that Arabs are defending their historical homeland? The modern "nation" of Israel was created in the 50's-land stolen from Arabs. Prior to that, "Israel" was nothing more than a group of wandering semitic tribes. Further, by your logic, it should be okay to target women and children in war (the way that the Israeli State does). It is no more the Arabs historical homeland than the Israelis historical homeland. Israel is one of the first documented countries historically and Jews have lived there continuously since antiquity despite many conquerors and expulsions. It has NEVER been a documented Arab country. The Israelis go out of their way to WARN women and children about any military action. Dropping leaflets, broadcasting on radio, even phone calls in areas where there are military operations!! Compare that to Hamas tactics where they bomb buses, school cafeterias and restaurants and markets....Compare it to shooting rockets into cities indiscriminately TRYING mind you to actually kill as many people as possible. Who teaches ethnic hatred in kindergarten, glorifying martyrdom against infidels and making antisemitic and violence glorifying cartoons for their children? Hamas and Hizbullah. Not Israel. Right. Israel is doing an admirable job. Sure they have their problems. But overall it is a free press, open democracy with complete freedom of religion and a place of equality for women. They have been surviving with the daily threat of 911 style terrorist attacks for decades and yet for the most part remain an optimistic and well adjusted society with incredible technical innovation, robust agriculture, and a growing economy. Much to admire there. I admire them. If the Palestinians put down their weapons they could prosper too - even as allies of the Israelis when they so choose. As I see it the main obstacle is ignorance and prejudice with a radical Islamic fundamentalism which denies the equality of Jews and Christians and other religions as they seek to force their backward ways on everyone else. Would a "leaflet campaign" make it okay for Russia to bomb your neighborhood if they claim they're after "terrorists"? FYI, there's also a radical faction of Jews who equate Arabs to "pigs" and advocate genocide against them. There are few innocent parties in the dispute-and they usually end up killed in the crossfire. Since you (and most Americans) are so terribly ignorant of foreign conflicts, it seems like better, smarter policy to stay out of it. Nonsense. If there were terrorists in my neighborhood our government would ARREST them. Please give references to the radical Israeli faction which advocates genocide against Arabs. I don't believe you. But IF there are any isolated nutcases then it is nothing compared to having the leaders of a political parties or even a country advocate genocide against the Israelis as does Hamas, Hizbullah and Iran. Innocent parties killed in crossfire is terrible. Bus bombs are worse as they are intentional war crimes. Ignorant? Please. Let those who read this thread decide who is ignorant. I have carefully documented my positions. Anyone can check out my arguments. I'm confident it will be obvious to most who read this that my positions are well informed whereas others claims cannot be supported. And I will speak the truth. It is natural for Christians and those of other religions to support Israel because fundamentalist radical Islam discriminates against one and all just as they discriminate against Israel. Now that we all have been victimized by 911, the transit bombings in Europe, the Islamic attacks in Russia and the hotel bombings in India and Australia - it is much easier for the world to understand the unjust hatred and violence directed at Israel and sympathize with the Israelis. I can give you a name of one Israeli group you may be interested in-Mossad. They have committed unjust assassinations (inflaming conflict) and have spied on sensitive US operations. Mossad is the intelligence service of Israel. Their policy is the same as Israeli policy. Which is not to harm anyone unless they are attacking Israel. Good grief. I want to see a credible news report that some large organization in Israel advocates killing Arabs or Palestinians this is what you claimed. But I never heard of it and I am well informed. So I don't believe you. The unjust actions you refer to may be the killing of terrorists who have planned and carried out mass murder of Israelis. I think they should go after them just as we are going after Bin Laden. It is their duty to protect Israelis as it is the duty of our government to protect us. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossad thanks for this. this post just discredits you in all future endevours. i thought you were just misinformed but clearly someone has brainwashed you..or maybe you're on their payroll. 1. Mossad's been caught several times posing as muslims setting off car bombs in west Jerusalem ...courtesy of Haertz.com (jewish paper) 2. JDL..documented terrorist group 3. Menachem Begin 4. Gavrilo Princeps 5. U.S.S. Liberty ring any bells?? defend Israel all you want the world's waking up to their b.s. |
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kind of hard since he's dead Kinda hard making CURRENT audio tapes when your dead, just sayin' everyone but the US have validated that those are fake. have you even seen the last video? how does he miracuously have a full black beard? in fact how does anyone with his condition live as long with no advanced health care. i have more legit sources than the american media. seriously wake up |
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i'd more than just crash it. wish u luck
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Au contraire, you are mistaken. Educate YOURSELF by reading "The Controversy Of Zion" and research the USS Liberty. Don't be silly. I know about the USS Liberty and I know about the ridiculous Zionist conspiracy theories. This book is just a transparent false rehash of the infamous antisemitic forgery "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion". This has nothing to do with Hamas - you bring it up only because you have no real justification. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion In my post above I explained that Hamas grew out of the Muslim Brotherhood which predates Israel. You'll find that the State of Israel is not the peaceful neighbor and US ally that the controlled US media would have you believe. The State of Israel does a TERRIBLE disservice to true and virtuous Jews worldwide. P.S. There's plenty of racism and barbarism on the Israeli side, too. Save your tears. Israel has been at war pretty much since before her existence. That means protecting her citizens and armed conflict - I know they are neither pussycats nor blameless - but again it has nothing to do with Hamas. Israel uses checkpoints and only attacks those who launch rockets or bomb them. If Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Fatah, the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade and Hizbullah and their ilk stopped attacking innocent civilians the fighting would be over and the Palestinians could begin to live their lives and prosper in peace and security. Simple as that. Checkpoints are not the same as bus bombs and purposefully killing civilians with no other goal except to kill civilians. That is the difference between Israel and Hamas. That is what should disgust you, honestly. I should be disgusted that Arabs are defending their historical homeland? The modern "nation" of Israel was created in the 50's-land stolen from Arabs. Prior to that, "Israel" was nothing more than a group of wandering semitic tribes. Further, by your logic, it should be okay to target women and children in war (the way that the Israeli State does). It is no more the Arabs historical homeland than the Israelis historical homeland. Israel is one of the first documented countries historically and Jews have lived there continuously since antiquity despite many conquerors and expulsions. It has NEVER been a documented Arab country. The Israelis go out of their way to WARN women and children about any military action. Dropping leaflets, broadcasting on radio, even phone calls in areas where there are military operations!! Compare that to Hamas tactics where they bomb buses, school cafeterias and restaurants and markets....Compare it to shooting rockets into cities indiscriminately TRYING mind you to actually kill as many people as possible. Who teaches ethnic hatred in kindergarten, glorifying martyrdom against infidels and making antisemitic and violence glorifying cartoons for their children? Hamas and Hizbullah. Not Israel. Right. Israel is doing an admirable job. Sure they have their problems. But overall it is a free press, open democracy with complete freedom of religion and a place of equality for women. They have been surviving with the daily threat of 911 style terrorist attacks for decades and yet for the most part remain an optimistic and well adjusted society with incredible technical innovation, robust agriculture, and a growing economy. Much to admire there. I admire them. If the Palestinians put down their weapons they could prosper too - even as allies of the Israelis when they so choose. As I see it the main obstacle is ignorance and prejudice with a radical Islamic fundamentalism which denies the equality of Jews and Christians and other religions as they seek to force their backward ways on everyone else. want the quotes?? it even came from a jewish paper. funny how any israeli strangely dissappears whenevere they expose israel. i tend to find more credibility in what my relatives and israeli friends tell me over some mingle poster. |
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So, there really AREN'T people out there who have a Seventh-century mentality and want to kill our infidel assses because we won't display proper 'dhimmitude' or believe the rantings of an epileptic psychotic ... ? Damn. I feel so much safer now ... action ---> reaction. Blowback. Maybe they would stop if others would stop exploiting them. I don't remember the Middle East being the enemy of USA since the existance of USA. Something must have triggered it or no? Or maybe one day out of the blue they just got up on the wrong side of the bed and figured it's time to hate USA. Here's a hint ... "Barbary Pirates" ... google it - then use that as a starting point ... it's called 'research' ... what flavor kool aid do you drink? muslims have been present in america since it's inception. why did none of them start a ""jihad" which DOES NOT mean holy war like FOX claims. If Islam was so evil, why only after 9 11 have books staking this claim been published? i could find more acts of evil commited by the vatican. this all started with the west meddling and trying to subjugate the middle east not by some imaginary passage in a book. |
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if a war erupts it wont be because of some dumb movie...fear mongering and speculation at its best
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kind of hard since he's dead
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This is the most inane claim ever. Attacks by Arabs on Israel predates Hamas and Hizbullah. Goes back before the state of Israel's creation. The leaders of Hamas created Hamas and their primary objective is their own power and control of their own people. They believe in torture, extrajudicial killings, indiscriminate shooting of rockets into schools and homes. Hamas teaches hatred and intolerance in their schools. This is not a creation of Israel. This is fascism and thuggery. People behaving like animals. Ignorant and violent and despicable, the history is well known and well documented. RP just doesn't know it. Educate yourself and learn the truth: http://www.jewishfederations.org/page.aspx?id=64336 Myth: "Israel created Hamas." Fact: Israel had nothing to do with the creation of Hamas. The The organization grew out of the ideology and practice of the Islamic fundamentalist Muslim Brotherhood movement that arose in Egypt in the 1920s. Hamas was legally registered in Israel in 1978 as an Islamic Association by Sheikh Ahmad Yassin. Initially, the organization engaged primarily in social welfare activities and soon developed a reputation for improving the lives of Palestinians, particularly the refugees in the Gaza Strip. Though Hamas was committed from the outset to destroying Israel, it took the position that this was a goal for the future, and that the more immediate focus should be on winning the hearts and minds of the people through its charitable and educational activities. Its funding came primarily from Jordan and Saudi Arabia. The PLO was convinced that Israel was helping Hamas in the hope of triggering a civil war. Since Hamas did not engage in terror at first, Israel did not see it as a serious short-term threat, and some Israelis believed the rise of fundamentalism in Gaza would have the beneficial impact of weakening the PLO, and this is what ultimately happened. Hamas certainly didn't believe it was being supported by Israel. As early as February 1988, the group put out a primer on how its members should behave if confronted by the Shin Bet. Several more instructional documents were distributed by Hamas to teach followers how to confront the Israelis and maintain secrecy. Israel's assistance was more passive than active; that is, it did not interfere with Hamas activities or prevent funds from flowing into the organization from abroad. Israel also may have provided some funding to allow its security forces to infiltrate the organization. Meanwhile, Jordan was actively helping Hamas, with the aim of undermining the PLO and strengthening Jordanian influence in the territories. Though some Israelis were very concerned about Hamas before rioting began in December 1987, Israel was reluctant to interfere with an Islamic organization, fearing that it might trigger charges of violating the Palestinians' freedom of religion. It was not until early in the intifada, when Hamas became actively involved in the violence, that the group began to be viewed as a potentially greater threat than the PLO. The turning point occurred in the summer of 1988 when Israel learned that Hamas was stockpiling arms to build an underground force and Hamas issued its covenant calling for the destruction of Israel. At this point it became clear that Hamas was not going to put off its jihad to liberate Palestine and was shifting its emphasis from charitable and educational activity to terrorism. Israel then began to crack down on Hamas and wiped out its entire command structure. Hamas has been waging a terror war against Israel ever since. not to call you on your bs again but that's what this is. it is amazing you blatantly leave out the fact that Israel created the situation by enforcing its version of emminent domain or that the former pm of israel has admitted that they want arabs wiped out |
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Another White House Bribe
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Republicans have been doing this since george washingon...where have you been?
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the beginning of the end
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It'd be nice to have problem-solvers rather than finger-pointers and blame-tossers workin' on the problem ... isn't this the pot calling the kettle black |
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gotta love fox news ...they been claiming the number 3 being killed the last four years lol I thought I heard that last year. I do remember that more al queda have been caught or killed since Obama has been in office though. No, it's just better reported now the the "Lord" is in the Oval Office. LOOOL like how all the terrorists Bush claimed to have brought to justice, only three have been charged for any kind of terrorist activity, the rest that have been tried were merely charged with expired visas and deported. |
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http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=177169 IDF: Global Jihad links on flotilla By YAAKOV KATZ 01/06/2010 Fifty 'Mavi Marmara' passengers tied to global jihad network. Dozens of passengers who were aboard the Mavi Marmara Turkish passenger ship are suspected of having connections with global jihad-affiliated terrorist organizations, defense officials said on Tuesday, amid growing concerns that Turkish warships would accompany a future flotilla to the Gaza Strip. According to the defense officials, the IDF has identified about 50 passengers on the ship who could have terrorist connections with global jihad-affiliated groups. During its searches of the Mavi Marmara on Tuesday, the military also discovered a cache of bulletproof vests and night-vision goggles, as well as gas masks. On Monday morning, at least nine foreign activists were killed during the navy’s takeover of the Mavi Marmara, which was trying to break Israel’s blockade of the Gaza Strip. The group of over 50 passengers with possible terror connections have refused to identify themselves and were not carrying passports. Many of them were carrying envelopes packed with thousands of dollars in cash. The military is working to identify the passengers and is looking into the possibility that some of them have been involved in terror attacks. Some of them are apparently known Islamic extremists. “This is the group that was behind the violent lynch against the naval commandos,” a defense official said. “They came on board the ship prepared and after they had trained for the expected navy takeover.” Late Tuesday, there were reports that Issam al-Budur, Jordan’s consul in Israel, reached an agreement with Israel according to which another group of 124 detained flotilla activists would be taken by bus to Jordan and sent from there to their home countries. The detainees are Jordanian, Mauritanian, Moroccan, Kuwaiti, Pakistani, Indonesian and Syrian. Meanwhile Tuesday, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan warned Israel not to test Ankara’s patience. “Turkey’s hostility is as strong as its friendship is valuable,” he said. “Israel in no way can legitimize this murder, it cannot wash its hand of this blood.” This comment, officials said, could signify a change in Turkish military posture in the event that another flotilla is dispatched to the Gaza Strip. One official said that the chances that Turkey would send navy ships were slim – due to its membership in NATO – but that the issue was of great concern. “This is a definite possibility that we need to prepare for,” a senior defense official said. The flotilla that arrived late on Sunday night comprised six ships, and another two ships, including the Rachel Corrie, are expected to attempt to enter Israeli waters in the coming days. Greta Berlin of the Free Gaza Movement, which organized the flotilla, said that two vessels, one a cargo ship and another carrying about three dozen passengers, would arrive in the region late this week or early next week. “This initiative is not going to stop,” she said from the group’s base in Cyprus. “We think eventually Israel will get some kind of common sense. They’re going to have to stop the blockade of Gaza, and one of the ways to do this is for us to continue to send the boats.” Irish Prime Minister Brian Cowen described the Rachel Corrie as Irish-owned and said it should be allowed to finish its mission, according to Reuters. The ship was carrying 15 activists, including a northern Irish Nobel Peace laureate. “The government has formally requested the Israeli government to allow the Irish-owned ship... to be allowed to complete its journey unimpeded and discharge its humanitarian cargo in Gaza,” Cowen told members of parliament in Dublin. Navy sources said that the ships sailing toward Gaza would be intercepted the same way the flotilla was stopped on Monday morning, although it had yet to be decided if the operation would be carried out by Shayetet 13, the navy’s commando unit. “We are tracking the ships and are under orders to stop them,” a top navy officer said. According to the sources, in a future operation, the navy would use more force. “We boarded the ship [the Mavi Marmara] and were attacked as if it were a war,” one officer said. “That will mean that we will have to come prepared in the future as if it were a war.” by Yaakov katz??? too bad the rest of the news organizations disagree with him |
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the ship came from Turkey...no ties to any terrorists. nice try but lies as usual is that why israel denied attacking the ships until changing their story completely? they did the same thing to cynthia mcckinneys humanitarian group. Ummm It does not matter where the boat came from. It matters who hired it. Israel is serious about their blockade and will intercept ANY humanitarians to make sure they are not smuggling weapons like the rockets Hamas likes to fire into Israel from Palestine. Do you know why Israel has held the Gaza Strip for so long? I suppose you would say they are just mean doo doo heads. Back in the mid 1970's Hamas used ARTILLERY and shelled Israel from the high ground in Gaza!! It was a BLOODY battle for Israel to stop the artillery from shelling them. Israel since then has been taking ground used to attack them from. Gaza has a nice view overlooking Israel, a perfect place to rain death down on someone from with cannon! I bet you want to call me a liar too! Hamas AND the PLO have a LONG history of antagonizing Israel with bloodshed and terrorism and now Al-Quieda wants in on the act. Sorry, no sympathy here! umm yeah i'm from the area i know more about what goes on then the likes of you So does it make you feel nice and safe hiding here as an illegal alien like you have posted in a previous thread? And I suppose the people I know who have been there are lying? I suppose Israel fires rockets at themselves? I also suppose that the SCUDs landing on Israel during Desert Storm was a lie too? They lie, you like, everyone is lying. I suppose other (proudly legal) immigrants who I have spoken with from the area all say the same thing in varying twists are lies too. Also why is Egypt part of the blockade? Weapons smuggling mayhap? Israel has a good reason to be paranoid. Iran could EASILY give Hamaas a nuke and some nutcase out there will happily sit on it and detonate it car bomb style in the name of Martyrdom and Jihad. But Israel is tired of the training bases hiding in Palestine. They are tired of Car Bombs. I take it you feel terrorist attacks on Israel are acceptable or something? Likes of me heh? There are things about Israel I don't approve of but Palestine has done nothing to earn my respect. How about what China has done to Tibet? I bet money that "People Like You" could care less about what happened to the poor Tibetans. So how about enlightening me about what really goes on over there? OH! I bet that would be too much work. you do know that Israel created Hamas right? so if you're whining about ONE group, there's only one to blame. As for the rest of your tripe, You neglect the fact they have blocked aid from any and every country including the United States. Again, again, and again, people like you that are ignorant to what's going on there try to make this about religion when it's NOT. |
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Obama's 'czars' (I prefer 'Kommissars') are in place as APPOINTEES precisely to avoid Congressional confirmation hearings and EXPOSURE. They are Communist in their political 'philosophy', and most have NO acquaintance with anything to do with the free market, private enterprise, or capitalism. They are 'The ONE's means to his end of destroying our nation from the inside and from the top down. If the November elections deliver all they promise at this time to deliver, the FIRST item of business need to be the DEFUNDING of EVERY 'Kommissar' appointed by 'The ONE'. After that, repeal of all laws enacted by THIS 'congress' - most importantly, 'DeathCare'. After that: Hearings and trials for malfeasance in office - among other things. The only thing the Czars are is a way of getting friends or people he owed favors to appointed to his cabinet without Congress approval. Don't any of you Bush bots remember that the so called death panels were in Bush's failed legislation for health care....or is everything Bush part of your alternate reality that didn't happen? |
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gotta love fox news ...they been claiming the number 3 being killed the last four years lol
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the ship came from Turkey...no ties to any terrorists. nice try but lies as usual is that why israel denied attacking the ships until changing their story completely? they did the same thing to cynthia mcckinneys humanitarian group. Ummm It does not matter where the boat came from. It matters who hired it. Israel is serious about their blockade and will intercept ANY humanitarians to make sure they are not smuggling weapons like the rockets Hamas likes to fire into Israel from Palestine. Do you know why Israel has held the Gaza Strip for so long? I suppose you would say they are just mean doo doo heads. Back in the mid 1970's Hamas used ARTILLERY and shelled Israel from the high ground in Gaza!! It was a BLOODY battle for Israel to stop the artillery from shelling them. Israel since then has been taking ground used to attack them from. Gaza has a nice view overlooking Israel, a perfect place to rain death down on someone from with cannon! I bet you want to call me a liar too! Hamas AND the PLO have a LONG history of antagonizing Israel with bloodshed and terrorism and now Al-Quieda wants in on the act. Sorry, no sympathy here! umm yeah i'm from the area i know more about what goes on then the likes of you |
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the govt has nothing to do with BP...then again i didnt hear any neocons cry when bush wanted ny times censored for its dissent on the war
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the ship came from Turkey...no ties to any terrorists. nice try but lies as usual is that why israel denied attacking the ships until changing their story completely? they did the same thing to cynthia mcckinneys humanitarian group.
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stole my thunder but i'll add that majority of christianity in its fruitation were very racist...take the repub messiah mitt romney..it took until the 70's for them to start allowing blacks to convert and recently for them to hold high offices.
LP i cant see how you can sit and say that no republican is a racist...i guess Fox edits out all the signs and epitaphs from the tea party rallys |
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