Please inform yourself before making your negative comments. It was not Greenwald who wrote the story. I think you often shoot off your keyboard without having a clue into what a topic is. Again you seem to be agenda driven and only wish to drag things off topic without reasonable conversation.

Back to weeding the garden see you next rest break

So your saying this event did not take place at all and is just a far fetched tale? (please say yes)

I know we can just stop pretending we live in a democracy. I do not think Stalin even went this far.

Good read thanks for posting

You do realize that our trillion dollar spy on everyone programs failed to stop this attack?

They do not even know.......... good luck

It's not my credulity at issue in this thread. I find it odd that on other threads you would claim we need to get "government off our backs" yet here you take a stand defending government spying. First you claim it did not happen then start back tracking. It would be nice and more interesting if you were not so agenda driven.

Orwell’s Nightmares Come True — But Who Cares?

Another horror no one will care about: the government is spying on your snail mail.

The New York Times timed the release of the story so that it would come and go without notice: on the Fourth of July, when no one reads the paper or watches the news. But buried beneath a puffy lede is yet another privacy-killing whopper. After 9/11, the Times reports, the U.S. Postal Service created something called the Mail Isolation Control and Tracking (MICT) program, “in which Postal Service computers photograph the exterior of every piece of paper mail that is processed in the United States — about 160 billion pieces last year. It is not known how long the government saves the images.”

Just a wild guess? How about: forever?
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/ted-rall/50457/1984-is-here-yawn

Um yes they do Mr Conrad

Next up on the agenda to the bank to deposit my paycheck and this of course will be recorded and I will be filmed then a hair cut were they will ask for my phone number as that is how they have me listed in their system. Then to the car wash were again I will be filmed then finally I will grocery shop were I will use my customer card for a meager discount so everything I purchased can be recorded and referenced to me. All the data made available to the NSA if they choose to look oh what times we live in.

The Guardian is the same paper that broke Glen Greenwalds NSA story and that is the Guardian that is restricted on the Department of Defence's computers. It seems the Guardian much to your disdain is fulfilling its role as a independent news source not part of the propaganda matrix that is on your preferred reading list. Your comments are so predictable Mr Conrad.

Maybe you read the article and failed to comprehend, The entire conversation is recorded at the link above feel free to go there and listen. That is the adult thing to do

It would appear that (this collage kid) has more backbone and common sense than 90% of the folks who post here.

Feel free to follow the link and then make an informed comment.

What is in store for me today you might ask?

Heading to snap fitness for a quick workout were my electronic key card will be recorded, then to the grocery store were my transactions will be recorded unless I pay with cash, (this will be viewed as I am hiding something avoiding an electronic finger print is viewed with suspicion by the powers that be)

Oh all my posts here are recorded for future reference and any texts I make in between

Off to a cookout after that were I will probably pass many cameras and police lurking in the shadows to hand out a ticket.

Its hard to imagine doing anything today that wont be recorded in some fashion.

I will try not to think about it and enjoy the day off with friends.

This is interesting and ironic.

My one childhood friend who is hosting the party has a sister who works for Navel Intelligence and has a Limo pick her up for work each day.

(she was always a snitch)

Billions if not trillions to spy one ourselves but pennies for the poor and elderly, shame on our government and our people for allowing such a condition.

Staff from the National Security Agency got more than they bargained for when they attempted to recruit students to their organisation earlier this week …




On Tuesday, the National Security Agency called at the University of Wisconsin on a recruitment drive.

Attending the session was Madiha R Tahir, a journalist studying a language course at the university. She asked the squirming recruiters a few uncomfortable questions about the activities of NSA: which countries the agency considers to be "adversaries", and if being a good liar is a qualification for getting a job at the NSA.

She has posted a recording of the session on Soundcloud, which you can hear above, and posted a rough transcript on her blog, The Mob and the Multitude. Here are some highlights.

The session begins ...

Tahir: "Do you consider Germany and the countries that the NSA has been spying upon to be adversaries, or are you, right now, not speaking the truth?"

Recruiter 1: "You can define adversary as 'enemy' and, clearly, Germany is not our enemy. But would we have foreign national interests from an intelligence perspective on what's going on across the globe? Yeah, we do."

Tahir: "So by 'adversaries', you actually mean anybody and everybody. There is nobody, then, by your definition that is not an adversary. Is that correct?"

Recruiter 1: "That is not correct."

Recruiter 2: "… for us, our business is apolitical, OK? We do not generate the intelligence requirements. They are levied on us ... We might use the word 'target'."

Tahir: "I'm just surprised that for language analysts, you're incredibly imprecise with your language. And it just doesn't seem to be clear."

Later ...

Tahir: "... this is a recruiting session and you are telling us things that aren't true. And we also know that the NSA took down brochures and factsheets after the Snowden revelations because those factsheets also had severe inaccuracies and untruths in them, right? So how are we supposed to believe what you're saying?"

Even later ...

Tahir: "I think the question here is do you actually think about the ramifications of the work that you do, which is deeply problematic, or do you just dress up in costumes and get drunk?" [A reference to an earlier comment the recruiter made about NSA employees working hard and going to the bar to do karaoke.]

Recruiter 2: "... reporting the info in the right context is so important because the consequences of bad political decisions by our policymakers is something we all suffer from."

Unnamed female student: "And people suffer from the misinformation that you pass along so you should take responsibility as well."

Later still ...

Male student: "General Alexander [head of the NSA] also lied in front of Congress."

Recruiter 1: "I don't believe that he did."

Male student: "Probably because access to the Guardian is restricted on the Department of Defence's computers. I am sure they don't encourage people like you to actually think about these things. Thank God for a man like Edward Snowden who your organisation is now part of a manhunt trying to track down, trying to put him in a little hole somewhere for the rest of his life. Thank God they exist."

And finally ...

Recruiter 2: "This job isn't for everybody, you know ..."

Tahir: "So is this job for liars? Is this what you're saying? Because, clearly, you're not able to give us forthright answers. I mean, given the way the NSA has behaved, given the fact that we've been lied to as Americans, given the fact that factsheets have been pulled down because they clearly had untruths in them, given the fact that Clapper and Alexander lied to Congress – is that a qualification for being in the NSA? Do you have to be a good liar?"

Recruiter 1: I don't believe the NSA is telling complete lies. And I do believe that you know, I mean people can, you can read a lot of different things that are, um, portrayed as fact and that doesn't make them fact just because they're in newspapers."

Unnamed female student: "Or intelligence reports."

Recruiter 1: "That's not really our purpose here today and I think if you're not interested in that ... there are people here who are probably interested in a language career."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/shortcuts/2013/jul/05/national-security-agency-recruitment-drive

Its one big open air prison were everything you do is recorded from credit card transactions to online activities and text messages all recorded for some future purpose. One can speculate how much political blackmail is going on with all this spying, power never goes unused especially in Uber Umerika

It is reality. Our modern fascist state is a little sexier than Orwell's , its less in your face but the all knowing police state is here.

Why would I waste my time on such a moronic book? My question was not answered so I will try in a manner you might understand. What do you think your fictional hero John Gault would say about every american having every thing they do online and on cell phone being recorded?

Thank you for the laugh

George is Right on target as usual