so you feel the govt owns the children then

by your post Thu 03/27/08 12:22 PM it so appears

now when the govt says you should not have had your child

at such n such a place and your child got injured or hurt

tho you did not intend it nor did you perform a criminal act

yet if you were a parent and should have known better

say a motorcycle ride and you hit gravel

you then get charged with murder if the child is killed

because you should not have endangered the child

that is owned by the state

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yes it is a sad thing she dies

their are faith based religions

that teach faith and pray can heal anything

and who are you or anyone else to say

what they believe is wrong

it is their right to follow any religion they choose

and if it is proven they followed such a religion

no charges should be filed

unless the govt owns the children

If you are responsible of your kid's death yes of course you will be charged...If you are driving drunk and kill your dfamily you are responsible yes...do you think before writing that &*%% OI believe not.

Ah respect of religion goes above human life now? So if they decide that a human sacrifice is what their religion says you would justify that too? Who am I? Apparently someone that has more respect for human life than you and those parents.

line in your post

"""And yes if you can't guarantee the survival of your kids you have no business being a parent, """

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line you must of missed from my post

"""tho you did not intend it nor did you perform a criminal act"""

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no one can guarantee survival of the kid

and you nor anyone else has the right to restrict them
from practicing their religion

if the kid was theirs then they a free from prosicution
per the constitution

and you are now blocked do not send emails attacking others

be well

I wish you never have the responsability of another human being life then, kid or adult.
Stick your freedom of religion where it fits my friend, that girl never had a choice.
And that just infuriates me...but apparently you're ok with it..be proud of yourself.

again you refuse to read what is said

and let your emotion dictate you

be well

you know nothing of what you speak when it comes to my being
so discontinue speaking of it

the lack of civility ceases in a discussion when one has a lack of facts

The fact is that an 11 years old girl died because of the stupidity of their parents, that by the way don't OWN the life of their kids, they are RESPONSIBLE for it that is different.

By your reasoning I could kill my son and say that god told me to, and I should be not prosecuted because of my freedom of religion?? It is simply absurd.

There is no discussion here, you are defending the indefendible
I judge what you write, not you and respond to that.

There is a difference between walking in Faith versus walking in Foolishness.


I am so sorry to hear about the little girl dying....
My heart and prayers go
out to the parents , also, who are obviously suffering great loss and pain at this time ...but also are probably under great condemnation , for not walking in the wisdom and common sense that God gives us all, also.

But we are not here to condemn people for their mistakes.

There is a book out called ,"Faith or Foolishness", that every christian needs to read.

Thank you for your SPARK of sanity here..I thought I was going insane.

God helps those who help themselves.

Sorry to hear the girl died. We have medicine for a reason. Even in the days of Jesus they had healers.

Kat

I'm going to pray to what ever made up god those parents die a horrible death.

again you did not read my posts

you make unfounded assumptions

when you learn how to discuss things properly

i will possibly take you thoughts a little more seriously

adj4u you just don't get it do you?
"""tho you did not intend it nor did you perform a criminal act"""
So what? The point is that she died because they rather keep the point that prayer is better than medicine than seek help for her, that is criminal to me.

As it would be letting your kids cross the higway at night prayng for fgod to save them from a certain death...it's just stupid, it's not faith or anything is criminal! Crazy and unjustified.
besides if you believe or not, you don't risk a kid life to make a point!

All i gotta say about this is that God gives us the "wisdom" to make the right choices....and letting your kid die is not having wisdom....its dumb..no matter how you look at it ..anybody wanna debate me...u can do it alone cause i aint arguing on something so stupid...

if their religion has a foundation in faith healing

then the gov has no jurisdiction per the bill of rights

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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,

or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

as sad as it is that she died

the govt has no right to hinder their exersizing their religious beliefs ***unless they want to finally admit the children do not belong to the parent but belong to the state and the parent is only their guardian

hhhhhmmmmmmm

and they may be ready to do that at this point


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yes it is a sad thing she dies

their are faith based religions

that teach faith and pray can heal anything

and who are you or anyone else to say

what they believe is wrong

it is their right to follow any religion they choose

and if it is proven they followed such a religion

no charges should be filed

unless the govt owns the children

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ok the above being said

i feel they need to have been at a minimal
attending one of the faith based religions at least
on a semi-regular basis for some time (4 times in 3 months)
to be able to yes religion for their defense

and if not then the religion defense should not be valid
if you can claim religious freedom with out showing
a following of an ""recognized religion"" then

religion could be used in to many instances
said religion does not give way to hurting others

but when raising your child thay are of you
and you may raise them as you see fit as long as
you do not maliciously cause them harm

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to prosecute a true faith based parent for the death of a child
while practicing their religion what is to

protect the parent (prosecution) when they are sharing a passtime with there child

say rock climbing
you take all precautions according to your belief (training)
to protect the child but a tragedy happens anyway
and the child falls to their death

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granted an investigation should proceed but if
incident is in conformity with beliefs (training)
no charges should arise from the incident

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be well may much good come to you and yours

this is the post i made from the other thread on this subject

agreed, any other view than this is just nonsense

rasta folk can't get high but some christians can neglect and virtually murder their child

exactly.

The government sends people to an almost certain death in defense of a belief-freedom. Yes I know its an all volunteer Army, but it isn't always.
Many children are killed in this defense. But they are enemy children, often non-white, not of our religion.
When solders die in defense of freedom(a belief) they are hero's, when a believer dies in the practice of their beliefs they are a fool?
What happened to diabetics 200 years ago?
Rasta folks do get high!

you realize you make no sense at all do you?