arrogance. It is a question. This topic of origins. Is just a stepping stone to our beliefs. In any topic of discussion to input and debate whether an origin is valid for another belief is enhancing your mind.What good does it do to just quote origins? It is the why and where and how things came about is where the Topic leads to a fruitful discussion. many people do not like what I have to say. That is ok. I grow from it. But My belief is if Yahshua did I will do it to the best of my ability. All I have said and Quoted Yahshua did and taught. I will not add to the word. The scriptures have plenty of knowledge in them for a lifetime. That is why it never gets old. I believe you are sincere as I said before. I have not personally belittled you in any way. What I have said is learn and prove what you believe.I will call ministers vipers the same as Yahshua. They do what they know they should not. The common people are just trying to learn and that is why Yahshua had such compassion on them. But he was firm in what the scriptures say and what they did not. So however you do it on here or by yourself. Study to show yourself approved. it is the only way to know when satan who has turned him self and his ministers into Angels of light because they will add to the word or take away.... Blessings of Shalom...Miles

gold star for Rose today

I agree we are different. but I know what you believe.



THAT is what I refer to. that is arrogance assuming you know me or what I believe

and my point is that Yahshua didn't originate the holidays

OK Miles...seen I'm about learning new things.

In your OWN words...what was the origin of Christmas

stating a fact is not arrogance. What I believe is foriegn to the whole world. They refuse to accept it.


Rev 14:1-5

Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father's name written on their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, like the voice of many waters, and like the voice of loud thunder. And I heard the sound of harpists playing their harps. 3 They sang as it were a new song before the throne, before the four living creatures, and the elders; and no one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who were redeemed from the earth. 4 These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These were redeemed from among men, being firstfruits to Yahweh and to the Lamb. 5 And in their mouth was found no deceit, for they are without fault before the throne of Yahweh.
NKJV



144000 saints out of 5 or 6 billion people on earth now. Means an awful lot of people did not follow as they should have


Blessings...Miles

stating something you assume IS arrogance. you do not know me or my beliefs. to state that as a fact would mean you have the gift of insight/prophecy.mind reading....whatever

damm heaven is sure gonna be a lonely place with Miles having it all to himself

i would like for him to explain the origin of christmas in his own words

he cant... he is a weapon of god, and as such can only say what god tells him to.

i believe god even has him on speed dial.

well I know he can't from the Biblical aspect because we are not told to celebrate the birth

Christmas. Has mainly been already told where it came from. When Yahshua was born it is said 3 wise men came to visit him. They were called Magi. The Magi are priests of The Persion g-d Mitha. Mithra was celebrated on the 25th of dec or thier abouts.These magi knew something spectacular had happened. This Mitha later came into the Roman Army as thier g-d.He had many simularities to Yahshua. He baptised. Not in water though. It was in Blood of a Bull. Yahshua said take drink this is my blood. Mithra was believed to be reborn every year.Constantine wanted a universal religion. When in Battle he is said to of seen a cross in the sky when he was severly out numbered for this battle. Under the cross it said in this sign conquer. He had a great victory. The end result was he mixed many religions but the Mithra cult and christendom were the main ones.Then he declared the Holidays of thier g-d as the holidays for christians and took on this name. We know that many wars have been fought in the name of g-d. This is where you see all the armies with a shield with a cross and many uniforms with it also.Millions of people slaughtered in the name of the cross. by using it they justified that g-d was for them. I am sure you have seen many movies with this. This mixing is one objection to christmas. I showed you Jer. 10 and what it said. The tree that is brought in is believed to of been the trees that Nimrod grew claiming they were the Tree of Life.And futher more thier is evidence that in Rev 2 Yahshua refered to this as the nicolians. In which he hates and also puts Satans seat at Epherus.with them. All is not a exact thing as many writers wrote about this antient religion and many go back to Nimrod and Tammuzz who are depicted as Mother and child. Just as Yahshua and mary are. Thats about it.. Shalom...Miles

Wolf

That is quite a fitting name for you. You have no idea what I believe or live. Insults only show your intelligence.

Why Thank you!!

maybe i shouldnt have been so hard on you....

that is way christians celebrate it. but we are not supposed to celebrate it. but the HOILDAY was man made. Jesus wasn't born december 25 or even in the winter for that matter. Historians have proven that. the CHURCH took the pagan holiday. you didn't answer where it say in the bible to celebrate it on a day that Jesus wasn't even born on

sorryeveryone...I hadn't slept in almost 3 days and ended up falling asleep for over 12 hours

It does not say to celebrate it. The 2 examples of birthday celebrations ended up in death. Jobs family and John the Baptists. Shalom..Miles

which is why I don't celebrate it as Jesus' birth...but as a family thing to do....traditions

but how could Christians have started Christmas if we aren't supposed to celebrate it? Simple...the Church...run by man...wanted to push out pagan celebrations.

I am saying that it has nothing to do with God....it has to do with man's hunger for power. otherwise the church would have just said...let them have their celebrations

Miles...I do believe you owe wolf an apology though for saying he was making it seem that you are trying to make me out to be less than what I am.

I said you seem to be as well.

wolf was in here for 1 purpose. To see if he could stir trouble. If you do not see that. I would read all that he wrote. And think why did he jump in for. Miles