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Topic: Weather Channel Founder: Sue Al Gore for Fraud
Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Fri 03/14/08 07:29 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,337710,00.html Friday , March 14, 2008 The founder of the Weather Channel wants to sue Al Gore for fraud, hoping a legal debate will settle the global-warming debate once and for all. John Coleman, who founded the cable network in 1982, suggests suing for fraud proponents of global warming, including Al Gore, and companies that sell carbon credits. "Is he committing financial fraud? That is the question," Coleman said. "Since we can't get a debate, I thought perhaps if we had a legal challenge and went into a court of law, where it was our scientists and their scientists, and all the legal proceedings with the discovery and all their documents from both sides and scientific testimony from both sides, we could finally get a good solid debate on the issue," Coleman said. "I'm confident that the advocates of 'no significant effect from carbon dioxide' would win the case." Coleman says his side of the global-warming debate is being buried in mainstream media circles. "As you look at the atmosphere over the last 25 years, there's been perhaps a degree of warming, perhaps probably a whole lot less than that, and the last year has been so cold that that's been erased," he said. "I think if we continue the cooling trend a couple of more years, the general public will at last begin to realize that they've been scammed on this global-warming thing." Coleman spoke to FOXNews.com after his appearance last week at the 2008 International Conference on Climate Change in New York, where he called global warming a scam and lambasted the cable network he helped create. "You want to tune to the Weather Channel and have them tell you how to live your life?" Coleman said. "Come on." He laments the network's decision to focus on traffic and lifestyle reports over the weather. "It's very clear that they don't realize that weather is the most significant impact in every human being's daily life, and good, solid, up-to-the-minute weather information and meaningful forecasts presented in such a way that people find them understandable and enjoyable can have a significant impact," he said. "The more you cloud that up with other baloney, the weaker the product," he said. Coleman has long been a skeptic of global warming, and carbon dioxide is the linchpin to his argument. "Does carbon dioxide cause a warming of the atmosphere? The proponents of global warming pin their whole piece on that," he said. The compound carbon dioxide makes up only 38 out of every 100,000 particles in the atmosphere, he said. "That's about twice as what there were in the atmosphere in the time we started burning fossil fuels, so it's gone up, but it's still a tiny compound," Coleman said. "So how can that tiny trace compound have such a significant effect on temperature? "My position is it can't," he continued. "It doesn't, and the whole case for global warming is based on a fallacy." I would DVR this if it was on Court TV. How awesome would that be, to finally see Al Gore and his ilk getting what they have coming to them?

zhiba Joined Thu 01/17/08 Posts: 759	Fri 03/14/08 07:31 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,337710,00.html Friday , March 14, 2008 The founder of the Weather Channel wants to sue Al Gore for fraud, hoping a legal debate will settle the global-warming debate once and for all. John Coleman, who founded the cable network in 1982, suggests suing for fraud proponents of global warming, including Al Gore, and companies that sell carbon credits. "Is he committing financial fraud? That is the question," Coleman said. "Since we can't get a debate, I thought perhaps if we had a legal challenge and went into a court of law, where it was our scientists and their scientists, and all the legal proceedings with the discovery and all their documents from both sides and scientific testimony from both sides, we could finally get a good solid debate on the issue," Coleman said. "I'm confident that the advocates of 'no significant effect from carbon dioxide' would win the case." Coleman says his side of the global-warming debate is being buried in mainstream media circles. "As you look at the atmosphere over the last 25 years, there's been perhaps a degree of warming, perhaps probably a whole lot less than that, and the last year has been so cold that that's been erased," he said. "I think if we continue the cooling trend a couple of more years, the general public will at last begin to realize that they've been scammed on this global-warming thing." Coleman spoke to FOXNews.com after his appearance last week at the 2008 International Conference on Climate Change in New York, where he called global warming a scam and lambasted the cable network he helped create. "You want to tune to the Weather Channel and have them tell you how to live your life?" Coleman said. "Come on." He laments the network's decision to focus on traffic and lifestyle reports over the weather. "It's very clear that they don't realize that weather is the most significant impact in every human being's daily life, and good, solid, up-to-the-minute weather information and meaningful forecasts presented in such a way that people find them understandable and enjoyable can have a significant impact," he said. "The more you cloud that up with other baloney, the weaker the product," he said. Coleman has long been a skeptic of global warming, and carbon dioxide is the linchpin to his argument. "Does carbon dioxide cause a warming of the atmosphere? The proponents of global warming pin their whole piece on that," he said. The compound carbon dioxide makes up only 38 out of every 100,000 particles in the atmosphere, he said. "That's about twice as what there were in the atmosphere in the time we started burning fossil fuels, so it's gone up, but it's still a tiny compound," Coleman said. "So how can that tiny trace compound have such a significant effect on temperature? "My position is it can't," he continued. "It doesn't, and the whole case for global warming is based on a fallacy." I would DVR this if it was on Court TV. How awesome would that be, to finally see Al Gore and his ilk getting what they have coming to them?

adj4u Joined Sun 04/08/07 Posts: 21254	Fri 03/14/08 07:34 AM
what happened to the other thread about this

merlot42 Joined Tue 02/05/08 Posts: 533	Fri 03/14/08 07:40 AM Edited by merlot42 on Fri 03/14/08 07:41 AM
HOW DARE YOU POST SOMETHING LIKE THIS! You need to bow down to Al Goer (the inventer of the internet, and grand pubah of spreading global warming finacial terrorism)Everyone knows we are burning up, and polar bears die every day because of you and the car you drive!And if you want PROOF then go to the congressional records from about 2 years ago when Kevin from the back street boys testified at a congressional hearing about our sorry fate.. Hey...He outta know....I mean...he's an effin back street boy for cryin out loud!!

Gumbyvs Joined Thu 12/27/07 Posts: 2417	Fri 03/14/08 07:40 AM
They should sue Al Gore for punitive damages, for all the problems his guess has caused.

AdiMaddy Joined Fri 10/26/07 Posts: 27	Fri 03/14/08 07:42 AM
Sorry to burst your bubble, but he is not suing. http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/196/6794/?ck=1 By the way, I would take the word of 99.9% of scientists over a weatherman any day(Nature and Science both had cover stories and Nature had a review paper where 99.99% of scientists,judging by research publications, were of the view that man made activities were causing a rise in temperature). Make up your mind. You dislke the idea of global warming, or you dislke the proponents of it. A fact is a fact, sans prejudice:)

forever_fifites Joined Mon 02/25/08 Posts: 1092	Fri 03/14/08 07:44 AM Edited by forever_fifites on Fri 03/14/08 07:46 AM
If you knew anything about computers and knew how to use them for things other than games and chat such as running simulations you'd be surprised at what you find. For all those who think the winter has been colder than usual that is crap. Is Lake Erie frozen over, no way. What you are seeing is a lot more snow, some places rain. That's because the sea is warmer, the wind is stronger. Check the weather patterns. It blows up the Ohio Valley to the lake, picks up more moisture than usual, way more so we end up with more snow in February but it was not colder. Some nights did dip to the teens or single digits but there were no 15 belows. Just snow, snow, snow like last year when New York state had 12 feet in places. So if you know a little about global warming, ocean currents, weather patterns and jet streams then it is easy to see that what we are getting is in fact just what you would expect from global warming. Why not take a trek up to Greenland and ask some of the Polar bears or locals how the hunting is going. Not so well because there is no ice. Wake up and get educated. And not surprising it came from Fox News, purveyors of misinformation and right wing mouthpiece of the Republican Party.

Gumbyvs Joined Thu 12/27/07 Posts: 2417	Fri 03/14/08 07:54 AM
The Gore brain washing has worked so well. First off, weathermen ARE scientists. And there's a 50/50 split on scientists, not 99.99999% saying one thing. There is no proof that global warming is happening. Temp records only go back a hundred and some years. So you're basing the next hundred years on the last hundred? What about the last ice age we were in? Nature is bigger than man, we can nuke the crap outta the whole planet and kill everything, and the planet will survive and go on as if we were never here. So all you Gore loving people need to get your facts straights, before you spout of the global warming talking points and actually look into the research that's been done, instead of assuming Gore and his ilk are right.

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Fri 03/14/08 07:55 AM
forever_fifites, I am a computer programmer. I can do plenty with a computer. But for some reason, because you disagree with my position, you feel the need to insult me. I'll trust the Climatologist over you, even though I am sure you can do many great things with a computer. One of these days, and I'm sure it won't be too long from now, you will be shocked to discover that "man made global warming" was a fraud. It's not real science, the real science shows that man is NOT causing global warming. In that day, remember me and pity me for my weak computer skills. Also, could you suggest a good weather simulator? Does it matter that we can't build a computer with enough processing power to determine what the weather will be like tomorrow? Probably not, because you know SO much about computers.

Gumbyvs Joined Thu 12/27/07 Posts: 2417	Fri 03/14/08 07:58 AM
They can predict the weather 3 days out with about 60% accuracy and accuracy gets much worse from there. So take that into account, 100 years from now, they have no clue what its going to be like, I don't even think people could guess and be remotely right. But everyone assumes that the people paraded around on all the liberal news organizations are right, so I don't even know why I fight the ignorance.

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Fri 03/14/08 08:03 AM
Sorry to burst your bubble, but he is not suing. http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/196/6794/?ck=1 RIF. I didn't think John Coleman was suing, what he said was "Since we can't get a debate, I thought perhaps if we had a legal challenge and went into a court of law"...clearly meaning that someone should sue. I don't know John Colemans financial situation, he might not be in a position to sue multi-millionare and pathological liar Al Gore. But he obviously believes that such a suit would be a good thing and I agree. By the way, I would take the word of 99.9% of scientists over a weatherman any day(Nature and Science both had cover stories and Nature had a review paper where 99.99% of scientists,judging by research publications, were of the view that man made activities were causing a rise in temperature). 99.9% of scientists don't believe in MMGW. Sorry to burst your bubble. Make up your mind. You dislke the idea of global warming, or you dislke the proponents of it. A fact is a fact, sans prejudice:) I hate the lie and I want the liars punished. There is no scientific evidence to support MMGW. Since Al Gore and others say that there is, they are liars. They are commiting fraud by charging for Carbon Credits, which have absolutely no effect on the weather.

dazzling_dave Joined Sat 04/07/07 Posts: 182	Fri 03/14/08 08:05 AM
Why is it that everyone "conveniently" forgets that 35 years ago the alarmists were screaming that we were headed for another ice age because of global cooling?

Gumbyvs Joined Thu 12/27/07 Posts: 2417	Fri 03/14/08 08:10 AM
Why is it that everyone "conveniently" forgets that 35 years ago the alarmists were screaming that we were headed for another ice age because of global cooling? Because people forget what's happened in the past and are doomed to fall for it again. People don't think for themselves anymore, they need Al Gore to do the thinking and them to just repeat what he says.

Gumbyvs Joined Thu 12/27/07 Posts: 2417	Fri 03/14/08 08:27 AM
http://www.abd.org.uk/green_myths.htm http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/5/14/161152.shtml http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2007/11/14/nasa-debunks-part-global-warming-myth-will-media-report-it http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature+Monitors+Report+Worldwide+Global+Cooling/article10866.htm There's 4 sources that aren't Fox news, so whine about those being conservative news organizations too.

lizardking19 Joined Wed 08/15/07 Posts: 1278	Fri 03/14/08 08:44 AM
global warming is real, by geologic time standards the amount which our pollution has caused the weather to shift is instantaneous, chunks of the south pole r breaking off every year BUT global warming is an issue which many people simply cannot admit is real no matter how much evidence is placed in front of them because to admit its real is to admit that they and their society have done wrong and future generations will pay for it Nobody wants to admit their wrong especially if they r not goin 2 see the proof within their lifetime But the weather channel suing al gore? thats ridiculous, it doesnt even make any sense like gm burying the electric car did in a twisted way, by my logic the weather channel would be praising al gore for exposing the fact that there will be more natural disasters for them to film and report on

Gumbyvs Joined Thu 12/27/07 Posts: 2417	Fri 03/14/08 08:48 AM
global warming is real, by geologic time standards the amount which our pollution has caused the weather to shift is instantaneous, chunks of the south pole r breaking off every year BUT global warming is an issue which many people simply cannot admit is real no matter how much evidence is placed in front of them because to admit its real is to admit that they and their society have done wrong and future generations will pay for it Nobody wants to admit their wrong especially if they r not goin 2 see the proof within their lifetime But the weather channel suing al gore? thats ridiculous, it doesnt even make any sense like gm burying the electric car did in a twisted way, by my logic the weather channel would be praising al gore for exposing the fact that there will be more natural disasters for them to film and report on Ok, where's your proof? I just posted 4 links with proof to the contrary. If you have proof that global warming is happening and you aren't sharing it with the rest of the world, that's just wrong. I mean people need to know that global warming is happening! Oh wait, it isn't, cause you can't prove it, nevermind.

adj4u Joined Sun 04/08/07 Posts: 21254	Fri 03/14/08 08:53 AM Edited by adj4u on Fri 03/14/08 08:54 AM
there have been a few shows on discovery disputing the fact that global warming is man made and stating that it is a normal (whatever that is) weather cycle of the planet so i guess it is a matter of what you want to believe i guess till they set up a biodome and pollute it we will never know but death of the planet is still death of the planet

Gumbyvs Joined Thu 12/27/07 Posts: 2417	Fri 03/14/08 08:59 AM
there have been a few shows on discovery disputing the fact that global warming is man made and stating that it is a normal (whatever that is) weather cycle of the planet so i guess it is a matter of what you want to believe i guess till they set up a biodome and pollute it we will never know but death of the planet is still death of the planet Bah, you believe people are bigger than nature? Pollute it all and every animal will die, but the planet will go on for ever or until the sun burns out. So keep believing in fairy tales, and when they prove global warming to be mere fluctuations, come out and say you were wrong, and that you're sorry that you thought you were bigger than nature.

lizardking19 Joined Wed 08/15/07 Posts: 1278	Fri 03/14/08 09:00 AM
I already did this once in response to one of u people but here it is again www.livescience.com/environment/global_warming_041 www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=000C9535-EF02 www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0219-01.htm www.flickr.com/photos/shamama/853612284/ www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200507/s1415818.htm www.mng.org.uk/green_house/threat/threat6.htm www.ecobridge.org/content/g_evd.htm cagle.msnbc.com/news/GlobalWarmingSteigerwald/main www.time.com/time/2001/globalwarming/splash.html www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/1848/global.html However anyone who does not wish to believe in global warming will respond with some childish "NO THATS WRONG" see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil, etc

AdiMaddy Joined Fri 10/26/07 Posts: 27	Fri 03/14/08 09:04 AM
Here is the consensus opinon amongst scientists. A detailed policy discussion is welcome. http://royalsociety.org/displaypagedoc.asp?id=13619 http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v449/n7164/full/449755a.html http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v315/n6014/abs/315045a0.html I reassert my statement that 99.99% of research publications(in peer reviewed journals, unlike pamphlets and other ideology based publications lke AEI) don't even dispute the man made effect on global warming. When the two biggest science journals(Nature and Science) have come out so strongly and unequivocally in one direction, one wonders whether the arguments to the contrary have even some shred of scientific credulity.