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Most of the times we question God asking why did you allow this pain and suffering come upon us. that's the problem..you shouldn't be questioning God Where was God the when His own Son was in that situation? making trees for the cross He was there next to Him giving Him strength some help would have been nice |
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Edited by
TheLonelyWalker
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Tue 03/04/08 08:50 PM
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Seamus made a good point there. We should not be questioning God.
That has a lot to do with the acceptance that James was mentioning in a prior post. |
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Seamus made a good point there. We should not be questioning God. That has a lot to do with the acceptance that James was mentioning in a prior post. well "The Lonely Walker"..like I said it appears I know more about your belief than you so don't worry I will keep you on the right path...but maybe you should learn about the belief before trying to preach to others |
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Seamus made a good point there. We should not be questioning God. That has a lot to do with the acceptance that James was mentioning in a prior post. well "The Lonely Walker"..like I said it appears I know more about your belief than you so don't worry I will keep you on the right path...but maybe you should learn about the belief before trying to preach to others keep urself in ur cage. |
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keep urself in ur cage. well if appears that you may have to find a better means to cage your rage ....all I did was tell you not to question God ..wouldn't God want me to tell you this...you should thank me not curse me |
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keep urself in ur cage. well if appears that you may have to find a better means to cage your rage ....all I did was tell you not to question God ..wouldn't God want me to tell you this...you should thank me not curse me Thank you Seamus (u'll get a banana for being such a good boy), but when did i curse u? |
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Thank you Seamus (u'll get a banana for being such a good boy), but when did i curse u? I trying to show you that your unchristian behavior is cursing the lord as you preach in his name ..you should try to show more respect to God ...it is the holy thing to do...isn't it? |
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yes, it is Seamus. U get another banana for being such an smart boy.
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yes, it is Seamus. U get another banana for being such an smart boy. takes for the banana...but maybe you should be trying to give respect to the lord by taking the time to read the bible ..it is really a disrespect to God that I know more about the religion than you |
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yes, it is Seamus. U get another banana for being such an smart boy. takes for the banana...but maybe you should be trying to give respect to the lord by taking the time to read the bible ..it is really a disrespect to God that I know more about the religion than you  Behave sir funches
TLW is a good man........you need to be nice to him.....or.....hmmmmmmm |
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Hi Lonely Walker!
I adore butterflies and your OP is a lovely fairytale. You know, of course, that for me it is only a fairytale. But I find value in many such ideas. For example: often athiests are asked such questions like: Where do you turn when you've lost all hope? I turn inward, and in there I find these kinds of fairytales, and I see the plight of this beautiful, fragile and short term creature and I remember my experiences with that creature, and the pain and suffering even unto death, that I have inflicted without intension, upon that precious life, and I am comforted. Because I understand that my pain and suffering, is likely, just as unintensional, because I am NO MORE than the butterfly, why should my plight be any easier? And like the butterfly, I will find the strength and the energy to keep trying, because I am NO LESS than that beautiful creature that I adore. Happy to see you again, friend! |
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Actually you might really like chaos theory TLW. It has to do with the fact that even when things appear to be unconnected and chaotic, and there are mathematically chaotic behaviors in sensitive systems, but there are also patterns within patterns of actions and reactions and chaos has limits. Many of the interactions that occur may not be immediately apparent to us (e.g. "a butterfly flaps it's wings in japan and a tsunami occurs on the other side of the world") but there are enough examples to support elements of the theory. In a way I think of the butterfy effect as just showing how everything is connected and every action may have multiple reactions that are not proportionate to the initial action. Aspects of the theory(s) apply to many different fields. In biology and ecology we were taught that disturbances were more predictable- small disturbances would have small repercussions and large disruptions would have greater impacts. E.g. an animal walking in the forest displaces dirt and possibly plants. The impact is slight and proportionate to the level of disturbance. A hurricane displaces many elements and has a high energy and causes much higher levels of impact. We also had certain rules, e.g. in nature the level and frequency of disturbance are usually inversely proportionate- that is small disturbances are frequent and large disturbances are rare- e.g. animals run through forests constantly, hurricanes impact an area only every few years or decades, or even less. Chaos theory is used a lot by mathematicians and physicists though... since we know several perhaps one of them will comment later.
Also, re your OP I do try to believe that everything happens for a reason and will make me stronger, give me opportunities to become a better person, etc. but death of loved ones is still hard for me. When my brother died with 2 young sons it was hard to see the reason... then what i wrote really has to do with the real butterfly effect. I talked about causality, and the hardness we find to link the reasons why somethings occur to us. They seem to be unconnected, but they really are connected, as the chaos theory explains. (as far as i understood). Yes. That was what I thought was great. Someone said you were talking about the "wrong thing" or something like that... but it's the same thing in some ways.. |
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A good analogy.
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That process it's extremely painful and hard for the butterflies.
My only question is why would you think this? Have you even been a butterfly? http://www.earthlife.net/insects/lifecycles.html When the caterpillar has eaten enough it turns into a pupa, more about this later on because it is different for different groups of Lepidoptera. To do this it stops eating and finds somewhere safe, here it becomes very still (pupa never eat and seldomly move at all) it then moults its skin the same as it does when it is growing only instead of another larval skin it secretes a pupal skin, (inside its old larval skin) that is much thicker and stronger. Generally this pupa then breaks out of the old larval skin, though in many moths the pupa remains inside the old larval skin, you can often find the remains of the caterpillar skin around the tail of a Butterfly pupa. All that is fairly straight forward, where it gets tricky is how the caterpillar inside its new pupal case changes itself into a Butterfly or Moth. The first thing that happens is that a lot of the caterpillars old body dies. It is attacked by the same sort of juices the caterpillar used in its earlier life to digest its food, it would not be far wrong to say the caterpillar digests itself from the inside out, this process is called 'histolysis'. Not all the tissue is destroyed however some of the insects old tissue passes on to its new self, the amount that does this varies between different insects, and is not very much in the Lepidoptera. There is one other sort of tissue left, in a number of places in the insects body are collections of special formative cells, which have played no part in the insects larval life, and have stayed hidden or protected during this partial death, each of these groups of cells is called an 'imaginal bud' or a 'histoblast'. I don't know if it hurts, but it's really creepy. |
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