If you did not say anything insulting, then I was not speaking to you.

i wasn't talking about you

i wasn't talking about you

It's a topic that's really not worth discussing. My personal opinion is that it's not a good thing to do, but I've never been in a position where I've had to make a choice like that.

Saying 'you shouldn't have sex without facing the consequences' is a bit simplistic. Saying that it's a woman's choice is really a cop out. Both sides are missing the point.

The reason why Roe v. Wade (or Doe v. Bolton for those of you who know nothing about this wonderful country's legal system) turned out like it did is because it's based on the very foundation of individual liberty. This case was even re-examined in 1992 after the Court started to swing to a more conservative side. In Planned Parenthood v. Casey, the court decided that

""At the heart of liberty is the right to define one's own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life."

From a religious, moral or idealogical standpoint, all sorts of debates can be made, but then you start down a slippery slope. You see, part of living in a democracy, a free country is that sometimes you have to live with decisions and freedoms you may not agree with. The reality is that abortion doesn't have any damn bearing on your life if you're not involved. You may not like it, but then again, I may not like your right to go to church every Sunday. So, let's make a deal. You give up your freedom, and I'll give up mine.

In closing, to the original poster, this is not the place to ask advice on such an explosive issue, and I highly doubt your sister would appreciate her airing her personal business.

I agree...It is the individuals decision and they have to live with it

there was a girl i went to school with actually i went to school with her and her sister, and the rumor that was going around was that father of there kids were there grsndfather or brother, as to find out it was there grandfather. these girls were young teens and you know they were very scared and confused// i had known one of there cousins for yrs and he had raped her when she was 10yrs old and had gotten pg and had a miscarrage. there grandparents had raised them, which i have on clue why, as i also learned that there mother was molested by there grandfather(her dad) so it didnt stop. her grandmother tried to stop but he used to abuse her. even when she did try to leave. her grandmother died sometime ago and im not sure about her grandfather but in my opion he should had been hung.. he was actually in jail for 5yrs (wow not much) and she used to blame herself for what he had done to her. and i told her plane out right it wasent her fault her grandfather didnt have a care in the world and he was sick... i can see why she a lesbian now she also went through crap with being a alcoholci for along time and drug abuser. she has been clean for quit sometime now, i ran into her not to long ago and she seem have gotten herself together. as for her cousins im not actually sure what happen to both of them but i know one died from some form of bone diease, and the kids were placed either up for adoption or foster care.

i compleatly agree with almost everything that you have to say. AGREE TO DISAGREE

this is why i said read the other thread. there was a good debate and didn't need to open another can of worms

That's the inherent beauty of this country. As long as it doesn't trample or tread upon your individual rights, there's nothing Constitutionally that can be done, which is why in reality, abortion will never be federally outlawed. There's simply no legal justification for it beyond personal beliefs. As much as I find it wrong, I personally don't want to live in a country where "I" can start deciding what "you" can do based on my emotions.

And for those Americans who disagree, I suggest moving to Pakistan.

My own opinion is that it's the woman's body, therefore it should be her choice. I am in no position to tell anyone else what to do with their own bodies. It's none of my business, and it doesn't matter if I agree with their decision or not. I'm not them, I'm not living their lives, I'm not dealing with their problems. All I can do is hope it works out for them, regardless of what they decide to do.

The reason it opened a can of worms for me is because I am not on here to hear about ppl killin babies, and I din't really want to put my laundry out there , but sometime a person can only see so much about somethin so touchy that it makes them explode with anger.
This nor the other thread should have been posted.....its way to touchy.
ppl should think of things before postin them.
Sorry guys, but .......

very true but then again people don't have to read them

I know it's touchy and not a good idea but there are alot of threads out there that aren't a good idea either

it goes back to what rtaylor74 said. just because we dont like something doesnt make it wrong (sorry if im using your words out of context). but if you didnt think that is thread should be here dont write on it or view it for that matter.

Damn double post...

Very close... Right/wrong is too difficult to define in reality, so our founding fathers who apparently were a LOT smarter than us put out a blueprint to follow that dealt with a core system of beliefs and values, at the core of which is freedom. They'd just left behind a system of goverment that was oppressive and took away their ability to make decisions from themselves. If anyone actually READS (assuming that most people can comprehend what they read) the constitution, you'd realize it's probably the most intelligent document ever written by a human.

Just because you don't like something doesn't mean that you can criminalize it because it insults your sensibilities.

thanks alot but if i knew how to delete this i would. i think its wrong to but she is 15 and thinks she thought was gonna loose her life and stuff. she will just have to live with it and deal with it in her own way now. but thanks alot

this is always going to be a hard one to get into you are either for or against it, im in the middler its a choice some women have to make, and it wont be a easy choice for some of those women where as other women use abortion as a contraception, but at the end of the day, we arnt here to judge and until you have stepped in that persons shoes you cant be calling them out on it, but i believe the young lady asked for help in helping her sister get over this , and to that i say, be there for her listen and give your love

NO ONE, has the right to judge another person. To an animal rights activist, meat is murder. To some catholics, contraceptives are a sin and just as bad as an abortion. Be there for your sister sweetie. Comfort her as best as you can. What she is going through is heartwrenching. For those of you who said that she shouldnt feel bad, it was her choice. How many decisions have you made, in which you felt sorry no matter what you chose? No one in this world is perfect and never does anything wrong. He who is without sin should cast the first stone...I live by that saying every day! And I happen to be an atheist, lmao. Everyone here could use a lesson on sympathy.

has yellow said this topic has already been discussed, i did a thread about it.

if your a few months gone when you have a abortion, and you cant have the mormal way, they inject something to stop the babys heart beating, then they crush its head/skull and then crush the babys ribs, before the baby is delivered vaginally. how can anyone watch there baby come out there vagina, with a crushed skull and ribs, knowing she was the one who made the decison for that to happen. sick

Well my oppinion on abortion is this. If you were big enough to lay down and play you should be big enough to suffer the consiquences unless.......... a) something is roung with the pregnancy that could hurt mom or the baby b) the pregnancie was caused by a rape! There are plenty of men and woman out there that would love to have kids that can't and would be more than happy to give love and caring to a baby that someone else can't. Just a thought.... isn't condoms or birth control cheaper than an abortion?