Love necessarily must come from humans. If love only came from God it would be impossible for a human to love God. The very concept would be redundant.

Humans need to realize that they aren’t just marionette dolls. Their spirits are just as real as the Holy Spirit. Humans are made in the image of God. They are gods in their own right, for the Bible tells us so,…

Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

Yes, you missed the memo....don't miss heaven~!

Abra,


Psalms 82:6. I have said, Ye (are) gods; and all of you (are) children of the most High.

Further....

Psalms 82:7-8. But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes. Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shall inherit all nations.

Whi is being depicted here as "one of the princes"? Christ? Satan? someone else, perhaps? Definitely something or someone created can be gleaned from it.

The word used by Asaph, who wrote this psalm and never put the words in the mouth of the Lord by saying "thus saith the Lord", is elohiym. In fact the word 'elohiym'is used exclusively throughout this psalm from beginning to end.

That word, elohiym, means 'gods' in the ordinary sense; but spec. used (in the plural thus esp. with the art.) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative: -angels, X exceeding, God (gods) (-dess, -ly). x (very) great, judges, X mighty.

An excellent example of this word clearly NOT being a word used to describe the Father, or the Creator is found in Psalms 8.5 where it says 'god' in English translations of this passage, but is quoted in Hebrews 2:9 as being 'angels'. And in the Greek toungue,, 'theos' is used for God and 'aggelos' is used for angels. Being that the best and earliest translations were accomplished by those of the toungues spoken, and crdit given the writers as having authority over the Hebrew texts as being authoritative , then angels would be best understood to define 'elohiym'.

As such is the case, then the words found in Luke 4:4-12. mean much more than a casual observation of what constitutes the image and likeness of God.


Oh, by the way, in Genesis1:26-27 the word 'elohiym' is used for god. As a matter of fact, it is used exclusively as 'god' in the first five chapters of Genesis. Which, by the way is where this passage is that says, 'in the image and likeness...'

And since we are looking for the god that Jesus is talking about, we should look no further than the fourth chapter of Luke.

I mean, if we are going to split hairs and define god, we must also come to grips with 'the god of this world' who, in the words of Christ has been poignantly qualified when he said, " Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a liar from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it." John8:44....These words were spoken by Jesus in the treasury, as he taught in the temple and was addressing the Pharisees with this comment.

Perhaps, it is clearer to say that the children of Adam are not of the Creator, but of the god of this world, Abra.

I know this is not a popular concept in the minds of those that cannot fathom the faith we have in Christ, but neither is the Old Testament as we know it sany clearer in English as to why there are so many words for 'god' being used within its passages. But many view it as a myth.....

What else could be a more certain meaning for using the Old Testament as the background for the appearance of Jesus on the world stage unless, in fact, there is a war on that is very subtle and camoflauged from view by lies that only smooth over the obscurities given of truth.

Perhaps the judgemental god you so despise is the god you know, the fallen angel with so many names it is hard to pin him down and know if he is Lucifer or the devil or Satan.

He sure isn't Jesus and His Father, of whom Jesus is as the only begotten of the Father.


the love you speak of most certainly does come from humans, Abra.

The love that we speak of, as true Christians of the true Church of Jesus Christ, is quite another and only comes from the Father, by way of the Son and visited upon those so indwelt by the Holy Spirit, which by the way ALWAYS testifies of the Son.

But then, you knew this was coming from me sooner or later, didn't you?

Who rewrote what? Perhaps the Old Testament was rewritten to obscure the clarity and distinctions held within its pages. Just by redirecting the meaning of words, not necessarily replacing them.

Even the word, JHWH, or JHVH, known as LORD are rewritten in some texts of the Old Testament to say HASHEM. That word means 'wealthy'. What else is deceptive, do you even know?

I have noticed that......I need to do it more when it gets to be to much....or at least go read some of Britty's words in the Coffeehouse...that helps also.

This is very true as long as you don't say stuff like


Not really. Man decided what would be included in the Bible, not God. God didn't just hand over a completed book and say here you go everything is here. Man himself decided what would be included, to fit what he wanted to convey. This was done several times by different people.

Because for you this may be true.....but for me the Bible is inspired by God......And even if man decided what books were going into the bible...doesn't take away the fact that all the writings were God inspired.

Love necessarily must come from humans, wth not all humans have this capability....so not sure of your meaning on that one. And the next statement....If love only came from God it would be impossible for a human to love God. Again no sense...because of course you can love without God....Children love their parent unconditionally and that is before the even know God......So again your whole paragraph makes no sense.

No as far as my spirit being real....Well of course it is silly.....but without faith what good is my spirit. And being in the image of God....in no way shape or form makes me God...there is only one and that position is filled. I, you and everyone else are just humans...We might be in his image but we do not have his capabilities.....And the Bible in no way, shape or form says we are GOD.....