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I'm beginning to think the Presidency is the biggest **** extender since the pickup truck

adj, not a battle, not this time, I cannot fight it, nor can anyone at this point. I missed this when it happened. So I am late on the punch but still ever so disgusted.

GW will go down in history as the worst president this country has ever seen.

I cannot get over it though, HE PARDONED HIMSELF AND HIS COHORTS FOR WAR CRIMES AS HE KNEW HE WAS GUILTY

ummmmmmm YES What's going on with Britney today?

well there is a special about her and her sister coming on called 'out of control".duh

Nice distraction, Huckabee was here today, but I'll bet Britney will be the topic of conversation at work.

at my work the topic of conversation is our new administrator.what a tight ass *****.she is relentless.

I am not very good with the computer I am trying to find this bill anyone else have any luck?

the pardon yourself bill?dragoness do you have the name of the bill ?

link please?

I found this on Garden Forum I have read it 3 times still decyphering it




Retroactive Immunity - The administration added a provision to the MCA that rewrote the War Crimes Act retroactively to November 26, 1997, making any offenses considered war crimes before the MCA is adopted no longer punishable under US law. Former Nixon White House counsel John Dean will write in 2007 that the only reason he can fathom for the change is to protect administration officials — perhaps including President Bush himself — from any future prosecutions as war criminals. Dean will note that if the administration actually believes in the inherent and indisputable powers of the presidency, as it has long averred, then it would not worry about any such criminal liability.
So you can see the opacity of the text, here's the clause:
(2) RETROACTIVE APPLICABILITY.—The amendments made
by this subsection, except as specified in subsection (d)(2)(E)
of section 2441 of title 18, United States Code, shall take
effect as of November 26, 1997, as if enacted immediately
after the amendments made by section 583 of Public Law
105–118 (as amended by section 4002(e)(7) of Public Law 107–273).
and the larger component referred to as "this subsection" starts with the words
(b) REVISION TO WAR CRIMES OFFENSE UNDER FEDERAL CRIMINAL CODE.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—Section 2441 of title 18, United States Code, is amended—
(A) in subsection (c), by striking paragraph (3) and
inserting the following new paragraph (3):
‘‘(3) which constitutes a grave breach of common Article
3 (as defined in subsection (d)) when committed in the context
of and in association with an armed conflict not of an inter-
national character; or’’; and
(B) by adding at the end the following new subsection:
‘‘(d) COMMON ARTICLE 3 VIOLATIONS.—
‘‘(1) PROHIBITED CONDUCT.—In subsection (c)(3), the term
‘grave breach of common Article 3’ means any conduct (such
conduct constituting a grave breach of common Article 3 of
the international conventions done at Geneva August 12, 1949),
as follows:

I've attached a PDF of the entire Military Commission Act 2006 - you'll find it has a lot of definitions of what's considered torture, together with the immunity from foreign courts and the backdated provisions for US courts.

As a bonus, here's a subsequent attempt at revoking the immunity provisions which never got further than being tabled for discussion:

109th CONGRESS 2d Session H. R. 6381

To repeal Public Law No: 109-366, the Military Commissions Act of 2006, signed into law October 17, 2006.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, December 6, 2006

Ms. MCKINNEY introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Armed Services, and in addition to the Committees on the Judiciary and International Relations, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned

A BILL To repeal Public Law No: 109-366, the Military Commissions Act of 2006, signed into law October 17, 2006.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

Section 1. Congress hereby fully repeals Public Law 109-366, the Military Commissions Act of 2006, signed into law October 17, 2006 and any appropriations approved to implement it, or changes to other statutes related to its adoption into law.
I doubt whether it was even mentioned in session. At least someone tried.
Attached Files mca2006.pdf (129.4 KB, 1 views)

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a congresional pardon will mean nothing if the world council bring him up on charges

war crimes are a world issue

so even if he got it here the world does not ave to abide by it

Amen!

Dragoness......

You are twisting the facts and it isn't the sinster plot you are making it out to be. What spider says is factual. I have cut and pasted his post,

"The administration took the stance that since terrorists aren't uniformed soldiers, they aren't covered by the Geneva Convention. Since the terrorists weren't covered by the Geneva convention, certain interrogation techniques (like waterboarding) were used on terrorist leaders to get time sensitive information. When the SCOTUS decided that terrorists were covered by the Geneva Convention (a very flawed ruling, since the Geneva Convention specifically states it only covers uniformed soliders) George Bush made this move to protect his administration and also members of the CIA and Military who had been involved in these interrogations."

http://blogcritics.org/archives/2006/09/28/180806.php

Urgent Legislation (H.R.6054) Contains Hidden Retroactive Presidential War Crimes Pardon.
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bill site

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h109-6054

This bill never became law. This bill was proposed in a previous session of Congress. Sessions of Congress last two years, and at the end of each session all proposed bills and resolutions that haven't passed are cleared from the books.

GUMBYS......

I have to correct you. It is not because of the D in front of Democrat........ it is because of the "rat" behind Democrat.

Incidentally, something interesting. Did you know that at the time of the founding of our country when we were in the midst of putting together the Constitution, the name Democrat was a derisive one? It was very denegrating since Democrat referred to the very recent Reign of Terror following the French Revolution of 1789 and the mob rule associated with it. I would say that is the mentality of a lot of Democrats today. They try to force their liberalism on the entire country.

madman...... Where are your facts? Banana Republic ..... I have read a number of threads initiated by you and the so-called facts that you post in those threads make out as if our country is a banana republic.

Incidentally, I cut/pasted part of your second post wherein you state "........ no wonder the world hates america so bad....."
I want to explain why part of that is happening. We are on a site that is international. There are people not only from the United States on this Dating Site who participate in these political forums, but also people from Europe and South America and elsewhere. Part of the reason we are hated is because of people such as yourself. Your threads bash Bush and America and do not offer solutions or alternatives. You encourage posters to vent anti-Americanism and hatred towards our country and at our president.

The above type of threads you post give those who are not American citizens a bad perspective of our country. Furthermore, you post items from websites without checking out the facts, and I have found that most of the time the stuff you post is wrong. So, if you want people to stop hating our country, be part of the solution and not the problem by posting threads that offer hope and solutions as to what is wrong in our country.

did you not see the bill did not pass

there was no pardon

sites are listed above

Associated Press
updated 6:23 p.m. ET, Tues., May. 11, 2004

GENEVA - Intelligence officers of the U.S.-led coalition in Iraq estimated that 70 percent to 90 percent of Iraqi detainees were arrested by mistake, the Red Cross said in a report that was disclosed Monday, and Red Cross observers witnessed U.S. officers mistreating Abu Ghraib prisoners by keeping them naked in total darkness in empty cells.

Abuse was, “in some cases, tantamount to torture,” it said.

The report supports allegations by the International Committee of the Red Cross that abuse of prisoners by U.S. soldiers was broad and “not individual acts” — contrary to President Bush’s contention that the mistreatment “was the wrongdoing of a few.”

The report said “high-value detainees” were singled out for special mistreatment. It did not specify them, but The Associated Press has learned that they included some of the 55 top officials in former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein’s regime who were named in a deck of playing cards given to troops.

“Since June 2003, over 100 ‘high-value detainees’ have been held for nearly 23 hours a day in strict solitary confinement in small concrete cells devoid of daylight,” the report said.

“ICRC delegates directly witnessed and documented a variety of methods used to secure the cooperation of the persons deprived of their liberty with their interrogators,” according to the confidential report.

Immediate explanation sought
The delegates saw in October how detainees at Abu Ghraib were kept “completely naked in totally empty concrete cells and in total darkness,” the report said.

“Upon witnessing such cases, the ICRC interrupted its visits and requested an explanation from the authorities,” it said. “The military intelligence officer in charge of the interrogation explained that this practice was ‘part of the process.’ ”

This apparently meant that detainees were progressively given clothing, bedding, lighting and other items in exchange for cooperation, it said.

The report said investigators found evidence supporting prisoners’ allegations of other forms of abuse during arrest, initial detention and interrogation, including burns, bruises and other injuries.
The 24-page document, which the Red Cross confirmed as authentic after it was published Monday by The Wall Street Journal, said the abuses took place primarily during the interrogation stage by military intelligence. Once the detainees were moved to regular prison facilities, the abuses typically stopped, it said.

The report said some abuses were “tantamount to torture,” including brutality, hooding, humiliation and threats of “imminent execution.”

“These methods of physical and psychological coercion were used by the military intelligence in a systematic way to gain confessions and extract information and other forms of cooperation from persons who had been arrested in connection with suspected security offenses or deemed to have an ‘intelligence value.’ ”

The agency alleged that arrests tended to follow a pattern.

“Arresting authorities entered houses usually after dark, breaking down doors, waking up residents roughly, yelling orders, forcing family members into one room under military guard while searching the rest of the house and further breaking doors, cabinets and other property,” the report said.

“Sometimes they arrested all adult males present in a house, including elderly, handicapped or sick people,” it said.

“Treatment often included pushing people around, insulting, taking aim with rifles, punching and kicking and striking with rifles.”

It said some coalition military intelligence officers estimated that “between 70 percent and 90 percent of the persons deprived of their liberty in Iraq had been arrested by mistake. They also attributed the brutality of some arrests to the lack of proper supervision of battle group units.”



What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty. They admit that the majority are arrested / detained in error. There fore the statement that they are trying to kill Americans is not logical.

does not lowering your standards to the methods of the terrorist not make you a terrorist as well

just a thought