Topic: Need to KNOW - Night
sealove42's photo
Thu 02/07/08 08:45 PM
It is our need to know that seems to create the quest to find God or deny God. My own personal experience, I would love to know Him, so I choose to look and work towards His Kingdom with assurance that He's on my side through the good and bad. Now is just a walk of Faith. I don't have so many questions but love to think about the philosophy.

I believe its intrinsic in our souls to want to figure it out, and feel comfortable with our choices.

TAB

JoeKur's photo
Thu 02/07/08 08:49 PM
Well said, Sea...

BillingsDreamer's photo
Sat 02/09/08 10:08 AM

It is our need to know that seems to create the quest to find God or deny God. My own personal experience, I would love to know Him, so I choose to look and work towards His Kingdom with assurance that He's on my side through the good and bad. Now is just a walk of Faith. I don't have so many questions but love to think about the philosophy.

I believe its intrinsic in our souls to want to figure it out, and feel comfortable with our choices.

TAB



Thanks for your post.

In your search, what have you learned? What is God really like?

Art


creativesoul's photo
Sat 02/09/08 12:46 PM
In my experience, what I found to be true in essence often did not coincide with the biblical definition of 'God'.

Often, it is assumed that people such as myself deny the existance of 'God', because of the denial of the biblical definition. I refute the personification of 'God' on every level, not the existance thereof...

Christianity lives in a mental dark-age which secludes themselves and the biblical definition of 'God', while refusing to accept that the words are not even close to being perfect, from the perfect omni-god.

Simply put, perfection only produces perfection... creation is not perfect, therefore, the notion of the Bible's perfect creator omni-'God' is false. That is quite evident.

Logically thinking, one must stick to a priori evidence to avoid applying a human personality to that which would not have one.


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Sat 02/09/08 02:31 PM

It is our need to know that seems to create the quest to find God or deny God. My own personal experience, I would love to know Him, so I choose to look and work towards His Kingdom with assurance that He's on my side through the good and bad. Now is just a walk of Faith. I don't have so many questions but love to think about the philosophy.

I believe its intrinsic in our souls to want to figure it out, and feel comfortable with our choices.

TAB


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BillingsDreamer's photo
Sat 02/09/08 04:30 PM


Simply put, perfection only produces perfection... creation is not perfect, therefore, the notion of the Bible's perfect creator omni-'God' is false. That is quite evident.

Logically thinking, one must stick to a priori evidence to avoid applying a human personality to that which would not have one.


Creation is not perfect, but what if that was actually a part of God's plan to produce perfect beings--children of God--children like Himself?

For example,

Rom 8:20 For the creation was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

In other words, if you were going to make a being perfect, what would insure that it would stay perfect? Consider Lucifer who was created perfect, but became prideful over it, and turned evil.

I think God's answer was to create an imperfect world, and allow mankind to experience sin, and its results first. Then, those who reject that imperfect way, and fight against it, will be changed to and eventually become perfect.

Speaking of those prophets and holy men of old who lived this life resisting evil, the author of Hebrews says they are waiting for the end when the resurrection will occur. He says Heb 11:40 . . .that they without us should not be made perfect.

So, the world we live in is not perfect, but it is not a reflection on a perfect God. The story is not over yet. The imperfect world is here to teach us a lesson. Eventually, this will be done away in a massive lake of fire, and there will be a new heavens and earth that are perfect. This perfect world will be inhabited with those who learned the lesson and have themselves become perfect.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whore mongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Perfection comes at the end of all this. For now, imperfect is part of the plan

art