I agree the SOB's get the girl then treat them like crap.

Well, the "SOBs" get the girls because they actually, you know, talk to girls IRL.

Which is admittedly a frightening thing to do because girls are the second scariest creature in the universe. The first being spiders.

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you know guys, it's all the same crying about nice guys and mean guys... blah blah blah, they all get the girls and the nice guys don't. you guys go out looking for women, do you go talk to em? do you take the initiative that these assholes do?

can't argue against the belief that a lot of men are ****s, but it's quite useless to complain about it. i bet you guys aren't making 1/10 the effort those guys do

my real point...

i *****ed the same as you guys when i was back in highschool. facts don't change. but guys, there are more than enough women out there for all of us, asshole and nice guy alike.

there's no reason to give up hope when there are so many people out there

I don't NEED a boyfriend..I want one..would be nice to have one..but don't NEED one..lol

Toasted, you are very intuitive.. For as many nice guys there are nice girls, for every asshole guys there are asshole girls.. men pick wrong just as women do... each needs to stop blaming the other and contemplate they choices THEY are making...

I'm gonna have to go ahead and say that's a myth. I think it stems from the men that arn't ready or willing to commit. I also think it'd be safe to say that most men want a woman that is no only willing to, but wanting to rely on them.... We like a woman that needs us ;).

*edit to add*
FYI if you don't know me already (I have been gone a while), I'm a VERY straight shooter... get used to this kind of commenting from me. I like to be blunt

While it's true that the SOB's do get he girl most of the time. It's also true thathe SOB's do make the effort to talk to the ladies. So to all the nice guys out here like myself we should just talk to the ladies. That should solve our problems.

Ugh i hate the whole "nice guys finish last" thing, it's such a crock, lol.

Let put it out there in my typical bluntness.

It's not that the assholes get all the women, and the nice guys don't. People are mis-associating "nice" with "self-concouse/nervous". You absolutely don't have to be an asshole, and you won't get very far if you think you do. At the same time though, don't be intimidated by possible rejection (the typical "nice" guy).

My entire life I've been an absolute romantic, putting people I care about before me... a "nice" guy if you will. But I've also never been intimidated by women, rejection, or competition. I've always been confident, not cocky. Never in my life have I had the slightest problems in dating.

And don't think this only applies to men, this ALL applies to women as well. Forget the stereotypical "wait for the guy to talk to me". Talk to EVERYBODY. Be flirtatious (I've always been a huge flirt), but not overly perverted of course :P.

And last but not least, don't worry. don't worry about finding the one, they will come to you if it's meant to happen. Find enjoyment, excitement and fun in everything you do. When you talk to women/men, don't think of them as potential mates, or potential lovers... just think of them as new people, or new friends, and go from there, it makes a world of difference, trust me.

faith and destiny will lead you there

i just need a good seeing too!!!!!

lol jen your so wicked...i think everything happens for a reason ..and hopefully one day we will look back and laugh about why we questioned everything so much

Theres a helluva lot of thing that we need and dont need, but theres not a easy way to answer that.

thatonegirl......

The fact that you are always picking guys who hurt you by saying or doing mean, rude, inconsiderate things, and sleeping with other women tells me you are the problem in that you are behaving in a way that encourages guys to treat you as if you are worthless. Back off for now and take some time off. As you say you are young.

I know I am going to get a lot of flack for saying this, but quit sleeping with the guys. Men, both young and old, treat women better, if the women don't jump into bed with them. I have never slept with anyone other than the man I was married to. I have been dating for about five years now and the men have never treated me badly. In fact, I have had two marriage proposals in the last five years. Unfortunately, the men were not right for me. So quit sleeping with the guys and you will find they will treat you a lot better. Additionally, from the way you are talking, these guys you are going with are a bunch of bums, which means that you are probably going to pick up an STD, if you keep sleeping around.

Nobody needs anything.
besides the obvious; food etc.

jennyjimm...... what do you mean WTF? So, what is your advice?

WTG hikerchick and well put.

Women dont "need" boyfriends/men they "want"; big difference.

For the wonderful ladies

Hate to say it, but it kinda goes with going for that bad boy thing. Anyone wanting a "Real Man" then email me
Cooly

So many single women looking for that "nice" guy. Why do you always go for the guy that treats you like your nothing? Sorry if I'm blunt but I've seen it time and time again, nice guy gives the shoulder and the girl never even thinks of a romantic relationship...because it would "hurt" the friendship, and you know this how? Oh, right because you had that one/two fallout/s with them...so we float in the same boat?

Again sorry for my bluntness, but most of the time the "right" guy is in front of you.