feralcatlady shalom

Red stated what would be a enlightened form of govt. I may be wrong but I took this as she was meaning those who believe the scriptures.

With that said. Do you believe what you posted is biblical. That Yahshua would agree with it and condone it? Just asking.....Blessings...Miles

This was your initial question, and I answered it.

Now you’re going off on a tangent trying to make it into something else.

The question you’re trying to turn it into is the abortion question itself, and that has nothing to do with consent. So you’ve just totally confused the issue and twisted my words all around.

I see you’re also posting a whole bunch of scripture to support a book that is being accused of being mythology. That’s absurd Miles. You can’t quote from mythology in an attempt to give it credence.

You could do that with Greek Mythology!

I’m not going to waste my time here. Believe whatever you want. I really don’t care. I clearly showed that the book contradicts itself. That’s all I need to do. It can’t possibly be form a single Godhead who supposedly never changes.

In fact, the God of the Bible DOES change his mind!!!

He drowned the human race in a great flood, and then he was sorry he did it and promised man never to do that again and gave him a rainbow as a covenant of that promise.

So there you go, an unchanging God who has a change of heart. Bingo!

And that’s extremely important, because the whole idea behind this biblical God is that he is unchanging. Because a God who changes cannot be trusted. After all, if he keeps changing then how can we know that he will be trustworthy tomorrow?

But the God of the Bible clearly changes his mind about things.

So the story fails to even live up to its own claims. It can’t possibly be true, it contradicts its very own self.

1st of all i did not change the subject you came back and said that was abserb. If i leave that statement alone i must agree with it and i do not. You are deep into self indulgence that you have complete will to will whatever you see fit. No laws. That is anachy. A society lost with no right or wrong. It is in everybodies mind to do what is right for themselves. This is prophesied would happen. You claim the scriptures a myth. Then when I show you what they mean you go off and claim Greek mythology can do that to.. Prove that statement Abra!!! The scriptures are spirit and give us the way to live a good and healthy life. What you adhere to changes constantly. The scriptures do not. If you would study Dr. Royal Rife. You would see that even though his work is in the smithsonian. That when he showed that he could cure diseases without drugs and that the main cause of cancer was from eating pork not smoking. The govt. tried to destroy him even bringing him up on charges to which he had to flee to Mexico to keep from being in prison for curing people. Yea thats what our powers to be think of science. If it futhers thier goal it is great if not then it is heresy and must be stopped. Do a search on Dr. Royal Rife i would ask everyone here that reads this too. You will not believe what you will find. Keeping us sick and on drugs makes them very happy. Blessings...Miles

This is what I believe......Yes Yes and Yes. There are some aspects that I don't think that God would agree with.....such as Lesbians or homosexuals in general. But here is what I believe.....All human beings have the right to the same as every other human being. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. I do believe that homosexuals have the right to have insurance or other benefits just like anyone else. That is just me....I don't think they should be discriminated against either. As far as the above being able to adopt I think that God would be all for anyone taking helpless children and giving them a wonderful loving home.

I find this so interesting with Miles posts....Here is a perfect example of two people Miles and Feral who read a different Bible and/or scripture but basically believe the same thing from what I read....although briefly and not complete......

You clearly misinterpret me.



I’m in complete agreement. Where I disagree is on the idea that there are absolute right and wrongs. It’s up to society to decide what is right or wrong.



You haven’t done anything but give your own interpretations of a myth.

Just read the forums, people are giving their own interpretations of the Christian myth everyday. What makes you think that your interpretations are any more correct than anyone else’s?

The mere fact that so many people claim that they think they know what the Bible says yet they all tell vastly differnet interpretations clearly shows just how ambiguous the book really is!

You can twist the verses around all you want,… the bottom line is that the story ultimately blames the fall of mankind to sin for the imperfections in this world. Yet the universe clearly shows that these so-called imperfection existed long before man came onto the scene.

What more is there to prove?

The book is a lie. Period.

You can quote scriptures until you’re blue in the face, you can’t change the overall story.

The book claims that man is responsible for the world being imperfect, and we can clearly see that this is false. The Bible is a lie.

Therefore it can’t be true.

End of proof.

What more needs to be said?

What about the woman who was raped? Why should she be forced to have this child? Do you have any idea what kind of emotional trauma you are asking her to live though?

She has to carry the offspring of the rapist in her own body, she has to suffer the pain of giving birth to it, then she has to torment over the fact that it’s ‘half-her’. The resulting individual is half-her and half the offspring of the rapist.
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To which I say "so what?" To kill is wrong. A baby no less. An innocent child that asked not to be here. As most do not. surely has a right to live as those that were not asked for?

A child of rape is NO less than a child of a person on welfare or rich or poor family.
I was raped. If I had become pregnant from that; I would have kept the child. No kidding. That baby would have been half mine. And from all that is right...all mine really. Rape is no excuse to kill a child. I'm sorry. I cannot and and will not ever believe it is right to kill a baby. God or no God.

I carried a baby to term having cervical cancer. Recommended to abort. A baby I was not thrilled about being pregnant with. I chose life. His. I have a healthy intelligent boy from that. I lived. The cancer was removed soon after the birth. Death to my child would have been so wrong. To gamble with life? Not me.

Where in the Bible does it say sex is only for having children? It does not. It gives accounts of marriages without children. Do you really think they did not enjoy it some of the time?

It also has a story in there that is quite erotic really. A tale of two lovers enjoying themselves making love.

I cannot see the killing of a child to ever be a correct measure of " a fix it". God or no God.

Kat

I have very mixed and emotional feelings towards this subject...so I will stay out....

well u have said that many times. I am through. What makes me know more than others? It is not me but the spirit that is within me. I have done things even over the internet that has defide logic. It does not happen when i decide but when Yahweh does. I have through believing without doubt seen terminally ill patience healed over night that doctors can not explain. I have seen the Heavens open up like a scroll on fire. I have during a open interactive chat went into a trance like state describing events going on to a room full of peoiple and 15 minutes later CNN broke in with breaking news from across the world where i said what was happening was at and confirm what i saw. That is the spirit of Yahweh working through me. I understand scriptures that scholars will not deny without ever studying them. It just comes out. Yahweh is real james. And he's not happy..Blessings...Shalom

Abra

You just saw what i was talking about. I was typing along and i have to look at the keys. When i got done James was in thier. I did not type it that i realize but somehow it happened. Yahweh does things like that when he chooses. To make a point .. Shalom....Miles

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Well, if he’s not happy who’s fault is that?

In the very beginning he was all there was.

If he created a screwed up universe that he’s not happy with who does he have to blame but himself?

It’s hard for me to imagine an all-powerful God pouting on your shoulder.

Your claim to have divine connections only comes across to me like the ultimate delusion and a sign of desperation that you can’t argue with my logic. The only thing you have left to resort to is to claim that you personally know God and he’s pissed!

This is always the last resort for those who argue Christianity. If you can’t convince people just tell them that God is really getting pissed. Maybe you can’t scare them into submission.

I’ll never believe that God is pissed at me. I think he’d have an extremely hard time trying to find a nicer guy. If he’s only interested in ‘perfect’ men he should have created everyone perfect. That would have solved all his problems and he wouldn’t have any reason to be pissed.

Remember, it says in his book that with God all things are possible. So if God is not happy it’s his own doing because it must surly be possible for him to just wave his magic wand and be happy. All things are possible, he wrote that in his own book supposedly! If he’s unhappy it’s his own fault.

Who wants to go to a heaven where the God in charge isn’t even capable of maintaining his own happiness? What happens when he is unhappy? Does he throw temper tantrums???

I’ll just put in to have myself un-created. It’s no big deal. I would grant such a request from anyone I might have created. Surely God is more reasonable and nicer than me!

I’ll just catch him when he’s in a good mood, maybe around Christmas time?

You might think I’m making fun of God, and perhaps I am making fun of this particular picture of God. But it’s true! I would certainly be nice to people, and surely God is nicer than me. As long as I can count on that I’m in great shape. And if God isn’t as nice as me then we’re all in big trouble! Not to mention the fact that it would be a paradox that I’m actually nicer than my creator.

Abra. For you my dear.

How have you been? Staying warm I hope.

Kat

What you fail to realize is that I’m already at peace with the creator of this universe Miles. If God has anything to convey to me she can convey it directly.

I'm doing very well Kat. It's been warm here recently, almost 60 degress today! I've been getting firewood whilst the weather is good.

About 3 days ago I dropped a log on my foot. It was a huge log, about 3 feet long and about a foot in diameter. I think it might have broken my foot. So I've been limping around lately. But all things pass. Give me a couple of weeks and I'll be as good as new.

I've been working on your song with a friend of mind. He plays the drums. We've been recording it. I'm trying to learn better rhythm, and I think it’s working. He’s trying several differnet drumbeats with it. He’s just doing this with bongos right now. If we ever get a complete recording I’ll post it with the drums. It won’t be any differnet as far as the lyrics go, but hopefully it will have a better cadence. Possibly some better singing too since I’ll have more practice at it.

How is your sister doing? Well, I hope!

Now wait a minute Abra. HE is not a she. Unless it was a mad and vengeful woman wanting other women to go through crap? What woman wants to have to pull her panties down to pee when she could have stood up? Huh? Hide behind a bush...crap..I want to pee standing up just you do. What woman wouldn't want to be promised an almost always orgasm during sex?
If God were a woman wouldn't we have been the ones taking charge in the first place? Why wouldn't she have made you guys to have the children? That's a lot of pain I would not miss. Not to mention PERIODS!!!! RRRRRRRRRRRR---GROWLLLLLLLLLLL---HISS HISS...


Kat

Oh Abra...sorry to hear that. Take care of your foot. See a Dr.?

Can't wait to hear it.

Kat

Of all the posts I’ve ever seen on this forum I think this one has really given me pause for thought to ponder that maybe Christianity might be right after all.

Could Redy have meant "The Enlightenment Period"? An intellectual movement of the 17 and 18 century C.E. that emphasized empiricism, reason and individualism rather than religious traditions or dogma to inform their political and moral philosophy.

Kat