Redy will indeed call out an inconsistency... quickly...

I have learned that it is a 'must' to be much more precisely consistent when it concerns conversation with her...

I have to agree with Red here. This is just to stark to let go. As far as I can see Art post here is 180 degrees out of phase with Feral’s previous “Evolution vs Creation SERIES!”.

And as Red point’s out Feral was being extreme in those threads. This is why I jumped on her applaud to Art’s post so quickly. His OP in this thread basically flies in the face of her unwavering “Evolution vs Creation SERIES!”.

Art is clearly saying that the earth is indeed very old and was ruled by the devil prior to man coming on the scene. Feral’s stance was clearly that the earth cannot be very old based on the Bible.

Yet, here, she is now applauding Art’s interpretation.

Clearly we are not only getting mixed interpretations from various people from the same religion, but they act like they stand behind their words with firm conviction, only to do an about face moments later.

Thank God they aren’t running our school systems!

I can just see the kids coming home this semester looking all distraught and when asked why they say, “Well the teachers just told us to forget everything they taught us last semester, They changed their minds this semester!”

In fact, we see Christians giving opposing interpretations of creation all the time. If we ever did decide to teach “creationism” who’s version would we teach????

Art says that we can’t use the Bible because it was lost in the translations! He says the earth was not without form on the first day of creation like the Bible says! He says that it was merely in chaos and that the words were just misinterpreted!

Hmmm? Why should we believe that Art got it right and the biblical interpreters got it wrong???

If that’s true than why should we trust anything the biblical interpreters did?

What’s the point in even reading the Bible if Art isn’t there to decipher it for us????

He must have one of those special decoder rings like what-his-name used to brag about!

I’m sticking with Pantheism. No book = no misinterpretations.

Redy:

I do read all of Art's posts....and for the most part agree with most. however even with his I have not always agreed with everything. And I think I even said that....when it came to talking about God being all knowing and powerful....I say yes....Art says no......And if you would of read my posts with Abra....I have always said I believe in science and what it does for mankind....However that doesn't mean I agree with everything about science...for example about the theory of evolution......don't and won't ever.....I stand by by Evolution Vs. Creation 110%.

This quote IS NOT EVEN MINE????

Why does he say that? Because the dinosaur fossils are found on the bottom and the Pre-Cambrian early forms of life, fossil algae, etc. are found on top.

The same problem is true in the Swiss Alps. The fossils are out of order so geologists say the Alps were once in Africa and slid magically into Europe without a trace of physical evidence. Fossil placement becomes a problem.

How is it explained? Those who accept what the Bible says simply take it at face value: the rock on the bottom was laid down before the rock on top. The fossils have nothing to do with age. In Montana 430 million years of the geologic column are missing. Why are they missing? Because they never existed. Chief Mountain becomes a serious problem for the evolutionist but not for the one who believes the Bible. We should expect fossils to be formed because all of the animals were buried by the waters of a worldwide flood. It is reasonable to find their fossil remains laid in sediments.

So redy please make sure if your going to quote me that there mine...

This next one does not dispute science in anyway.....Because of God we have science....and I do believe that every answer man would want answered is covered in the bible....so again Redy don't know what your really trying to get across here. And I was being honest when I said show me proof....and you will have my attention but no proof was given....

QUOTE:
hate, that I don't care but every answer to every question man could possibly have is there.....Now truly even you would have to say that is remarkable....Even for abra...I posted on another one of the threads the mathematics behind the bible.....pretty facinating stuff.....And honestly all is based on fact of what is here to examine and draw conclusions on.
Answer: I would love to see proof.....I would totally have an open mind if one of you would just show me something......that solidly backs you up.

Thu 11/29/07 11:48 AM
Quoted This one was a quote Ferel responds to:

“”Feral u still havent answered me as to where fossils come from
EITHER they evolved as the rational world believes
OR the devil made them to decieve us which is a ludicrous and moronic proposal that some religious people believe
BUT u admitted that the the devil didnt make them
SO if not evolution, which u seem to fervently oppose
THEN What r fossils acording 2 u?””

Ferels responce
When the Great Flood happened it took all living creatures expect for those on the ark, and those that could swim. When the caves filled with water, it sent massive amounts of mud throughout the whole land....mountains topped and all were burried. You will not that when they find these fossils that they are layered as if the animals were trying to get to higher ground...The slower animals on the bottom and the faster on top. When they were in-capsulated in the mud this is what preserved the bones. And as you will not the only creatures that there are not petrified bones are the creatures that could swim...such as the shark, which is a pre-historic animal....

More argument explaining how SCIENCE IS WRONG!
QUOTE:
Thu 11/29/07 07:44 PM
The flood my dear friend happen that is not in dispute...and the evidence of such is to overhwelming in the fossils to deny....There is no way if it was a blast with the dino's that they would of died the way they did...and never would the bones of been preserved as they were...but hey lizard you can believe it any way you wish......
NOT DISPUTING SCIENCE AS A WHOLE.....JUST IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE.

Fri 11/30/07 10:26 AM
Carbon dating my friend is not good, nor is it accurate. And dino's were here before Adam & Eve. And yes the dino's are in the Bible.


There is also an Evolution series I and prior to her series was another. In ALL of these, Ferel you say others are wrong, that the BIBLE ‘ infallibly tell you and everyone the same facts, if we only read it. Over and over you say this.

Then someone, like Art reads it differently and now you are in doubt.
MY DEAR FEREL, what else do you have wrong? What else is misrepresented by Christians, and how much of that is causing wrongful judgment of others?


And again Redy this is one small element of science vs the bible and I do believe in all I said on the matter......both here and in the Evolution Vs Creation thread.......I don't see where I have changed my mind or gone to other side....and I do back up most of what Art says...but not all. I have had my issues with some of what he says in this thread and in others....

And please redy it's feral......not ferel

So darn technical you three are....Here is Art's thread broken don to what I believe and what I don't.

Art Said:

Many people think that the Bible is in opposition to Science. True believers would object to such thinking, realizing that the God of the Bible created all that science finds over time.

Debbie Believes: 100% BELIEVE

Art Said:
One example is the story in Genesis. Some professing Christians attempt to argue that the earth is only 6,000 years old to resolve the seeming conflict. Others state that the days of creation were millions of years long.

Is it possible that there is another explanation? What follows are some notes from a study I did on this many years ago. I believe what is not understood is that the earth existed long before man was created. The angels were given rule over the earth and, led by Lucifer, they waged war on God. The destruction that ensued erased all life on the planet and devestated the earth. Then when God created man, He made man in His image, and the animal kingdom after the image of the faithful angelic community--warm blooded and not reptilian.

Notes follow for anyone interested. I apologize for the caps. I am not yelling. It is just easier to read as notes for speaking, and I once gave a message from these notes.

Re-Creation

Debbie Believes: SOME I BELIEVE SOME I DON'T. I don't believe that God gave satan an his minions rein over the earth. Satan thought he was better then God.....and was cast out.....yes some left with him....but not to earth. When God created the earth and all that was in it....and it states 6 days and on the 7th he rested that is not up for interpretation.

Art said:

TODAY A CONFLICT RAGES ON BETWEEN THE PROFESSING CHRISTIAN WORLD & SCIENCE
FUNDAMENTALIST CHRISTIANS TEACH THE WORLD IS 6,000 YRS
SCIENTISTS TEACH THAT OUR EARTH IS BILLIONS OF YEARS OLD

THIS MODERN DAY CONFLICT BEGAN DURING THE MIDDLE AGES
IN THOSE DAYS THE ROMAN CHURCH TAUGHT THAT THE UNIVERSE CONSISTED OF A VAST --- ENORMOUS SKY
IN THAT SKY WERE SET THE SUN, MOON, & STARS

THEY BELIEVED THAT SOME GREAT INVISIBLE MECHANISM CAUSED THESE HEAVENLY BODIES TO ROTATE AROUND A FLAT EARTH
THEN A SCIENTIST NAMED COPERNICUS DISCOVERED THE TRUTH
HE FOUND THAT THE SUN DID NOT REVOLVE AROUND THE EARTH

THIS TEACHING OPPOSED THE DOCTRINE OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
THE CHURCH HAD GREAT INFLUENCE OVER SCIENCE THEN
THEY ONLY ALLOWED HIS THEORY TO BE CONSIDERED A GUESS


SPEAKING OF COPERNICUS EVEN MARTIN LUTHER SAID:
"This fool wants to change the whole science of astronomy."

ABOUT 75 YEARS LATER GALILEO USED HIS NEW TELESCOPE
TURNING IT TO THE SKY HE PROVED BEYOND ANY DOUBT
COPERNICUS WAS RIGHT---THE CHURCH'S TEACHING WAS WRONG!

THE TRUTH WAS THAT THE EARTH REVOLVED AROUND THE SUN
GALILEO'S TRIUMPH WAS SOON CHALLENGED BY THE CHURCH
IN TIME IT BECAME HERESY TO EVEN CONSIDER THIS AS TRUE

LATE IN 1615 GALILEO RETURNED TO ROME IN A LAST ATTEMPT
HE MADE A GRAND EFFORT TO CONVINCE THE CHURCH
TRAGICALLY HIS ARGUMENTS & FACTS FELL UPON DEAF EARS

IRONICALLY GOD HAD SAID TO SEARCH OUT SUCH MATTERS:
Pro 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honor of kings is to search out a matter.

GOD HAS CONCEALED SOME OF HIS GLORIOUS THINGS ABOUT CREATION
HE EXPECTS US TO SEARCH THEM OUT
THERE ARE MANY THINGS WE STILL DO NOT UNDERSTAND


WE ARE TOLD TO SEARCH SUCH THINGS OUT
BUT POPE PAUL THE 5TH HAD DECIDED --- IT WAS FINAL
A STATIONARY SUN WAS UN-SCRIPTURAL


NOT ONLY DID HE BELIEVE IT UN-SCRIPTURAL
HE SAID THIS TEACHING WAS A GRAVE THREAT TO THE CHURCH
ROME BEGAN TO PERSECUTE ANYONE WHO BELIEVED THIS

IT IS INTERESTING TO NOTE THAT THE SCRIPTURES NOWHERE STATE THAT THE SUN TRAVELS AROUND THE EARTH
NOTHING STATES THAT THE EARTH IS FLAT
INSTEAD THE SCRIPTURES STATE THAT THE EARTH IS ROUND

THE CHURCH CONTINUED TO TEACH THEIR ERROR HOWEVER
IN ORDER TO RETAIN THEIR POWER & INFLUENCE THEY REJECTED PAUL’S SIMPLE INJUNCTION TO THE SAINTS
1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

THUS, THE CHURCH CONTINUED TO MISREPRESENT THE SCRIPTURE
NEXT THEY VIOLENTLY SUPPRESSED THE TRUTH
OME WENT TO PRISON & OTHERS ENDURED THE SWORD


THIS OPEN PERSECUTION CAUSED A GROWING MOVEMENT AGAINST RELIGION BY THOSE IN THE SCIENCES
THE NEXT AREA OF CONFLICT WAS CREATION
THE CHURCH BELIEVED EARTH’S CREATION WAS SUPERNATURAL

Debbie Belives: YES

WHILE THIS WAS CORRECT, THEY TAUGHT ANOTHER ERROR
THEY BELIEVE GENESIS ONE ALL OCCURRED AT ONCE
THEY COMPRESSED ALL EARTH'S HISTORY INTO A FEW THOUSAND
YEARS

Debbie Beieves: Yes

AS SCIENCE ADVANCED THEY FOUND EARTH’S AGE GREATER THAN A FEW THOUSAND YEARS
THE EARTH WAS BILLIONS OF YEARS OLD
AND --- IT HAD GONE THROUGH MASSIVE CHANGES OVER TIME

Debbie Believes: NO

AGAIN THE CHURCH DEFENDED A MISINTERPRETATION OF SCRIPTURE
THE BIBLE NOWHERE SAYS THE EARTH IS ONLY 6,000 YEARS OLD
BUT THE CHURCH BECAME ALL THE MORE INSISTENT


ULTIMATELY THIS LED TO SCIENTISTS REJECTING GOD & THE BIBLE

Debbie Believes: Unsure

THE CATHOLIC & PROTESTANT CHURCHES CLAIMED THAT THEY GOT THEIR TEACHING FROM THE BIBLE
THEREFORE THEY BELIEVED IN CREATION
THEY THOUGHT THESE DISCOVERIES UNDERMINED FAITH


IN TURN, SCIENTISTS CAME TO BELIEVE RELIGION BLINDED MEN
THEY REJECTED RELIGION & REPLACED CREATION WITH
EVOLUTION & SPONTANEOUS GENERATION
MANY BELIEVED THEY MUST OPPOSE THE BIBLE TO FIND TRUTH


REJECTING THE FABLES OF ROME THEY ALSO REJECTED A CREATOR GOD
THEY TAUGHT ALL THINGS CONTINUE AS FROM THE BEGINNING
CREATION WAS JUST THE RESULT OF NATURAL FORCES AT WORK
THIS HAS LED MANY TO MISS THE MAJESTY OF GOD’S CREATION
Rom 1:20 For the unseen things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being realized by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, for them to be without excuse. Rom 1:21 Because, knowing God, they did not glorify Him as God, neither were thankful. But they became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.


MANY SCIENTISTS BECAME VAIN IN THEIR IMAGINATIONS
THEIR REACTION TO MIDEVAL SUPERSTITIONS BLINDED THEM
THEY ELEVATED THEIR OWN KNOWLEDGE & REJECTED GOD

Debbie Believes: Yes

IN TIME ---MANY RELIGIOUS JOINED IN WITH THE SCIENTIFIC ERROR
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS NOW ACCEPTED EVOLUTION
MANY PROTESTANT CHURCHES HAVE ALSO ACCEPTED EVOLUTION
THEY JUSTIFY THEIR BELIEF SAYING THE BIBLE WAS
NEVER MEANT TO BE A BOOK ON SCIENCE.

Debbie Believes: NO

THIS ALL FLIES IN THE FACE OF THE ENORMOUS TRUTH
THE SCRIPTURES ARE INSPIRED BY GOD
THEY ARE FOR DOCTRINE REPROOF & INSTRUCTION


THE BIBLE CAN BE TRUSTED
WHEN IT SPEAKS OF HISTORY IT SPEAKS THE TRUTH
WHEN IT SPEAKS OF THE LAWS OF PSYCHOLOGY IT SPEAKS TRUTH
WHEN THE BIBLE SPEAKS OF SCIENCE IT SPEAKS TRUTH


TRUE SCIENCE DOES NOT CONTRADICT THE BIBLE --- IT CONFIRMS IT
1Ti 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: 1Ti 6:21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.


SCIENCE ONCE TAUGHT A FLAT EARTH
THE BIBLE STATED THE EARTH IS ROUND
SCIENCE ONCE THOUGHT THE EARTH SAT ATOP SOME STRUCTURE
THE BIBLE STATED THAT THE EARTH WAS HUNG ON NOTHING
SCIENCE TAUGHT THERE WAS NO WRITING IN ANCIENT EGYPT
LATER THEY FOUND THE WAY TO UNDERSTAND HYROGLYPHICS
SCIENCE TAUGHT THAT NINEVEH WAS A MYTH
THEN THE GEOLOGISTS UNEARTHED NINEVEH
THEY FOUND TABLETS IN UR WITH ABRAHAM’S NAME ON THEM


THESE ARE JUST A FEW OF THE ISSUES THAT SCIENCE HAD WITH THE BIBLE & WHERE THEY WERE LATER PROVEN WRONG
WHAT ABOUT CREATION?
WHAT DOES THE BIBLE REALLY SAY ABOUT IT?
WAS IT A MERE 6,000 YEARS AGO ---
OR DOES THE BIBLE SHOW CREATION FAR EARLIER THAN THAT?


WHAT DOES GOD SAY?
HE SAYS HE CREATED ALL THINGS --- HE SHOULD KNOW
HE TELLS US THAT HE REVEALS THE TRUTH TO HIS PROPHETS
Deuteronomy 29:29 The secret [things belong] unto the LORD our God: but those [things which are] revealed [belong] unto us and to our children for ever, that [we] may do all the words of this law.


THE THINGS THAT HE HAS REVEALED BELONG TO US
GOD HAS REVEALED A GREAT DEAL ABOUT THE AGE OF THE EARTH
HE HAS REVEALED A GREAT DEAL ABOUT CREATION

Debbie Believes: 100%

LET’S CONSIDER THE BEGINNING
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.


THE 1ST VERSE IN THE BIBLE STATES GOD CREATED HEAVEN & EARTH
BUT WAS THAT A MERE 6,000 YEARS AGO?
THE ANSWER IS NO!

Debbie Believes: This does not apply to then......but to now.....

GOD ORIGINALLY CREATED THE HEAVEN & EARTH
THEN VERSE 2 SHOWS THAT SOMETHING HAPPENED TO CREATION
IT BECAME AFFECTED BY SIN
Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.


GOD DID NOT CREATE THE EARTH "WITHOUT FORM" & "VOID"
THESE TWO WORDS ARE "TOHU" & "BOHU" IN THE HEBREW
TOHU MEANS "CHAOS" & BOHU MEANS "CONFUSION"


GOD DOES NOT CREATE THINGS IN CONFUSION
HE IS NOT THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION
I Corinthians 14:33 For God is not [the author] of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Debbie Believes: That the earth was formless and void. No where in Genesis 1 does it say anything about God being confused. I feel that the earth being formless and void before God started creating.

GOD CREATED THE UNIVERSE & IT WAS PERFECT
IT REFLECTED WHAT GOD IS & WHAT HE IS LIKE
IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL --- UNIFIED ---- HARMONIOUS

Debbie Believes: True

IT WAS NOT CREATED IN TOHU & BOHU --- NOT A CONFUSED MESS
Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I [am] the LORD; and [there is] none else.

Debbie wants to know where confused is anywhere in Genesis 1.

THE WORD "VAIN" IS THE SAME WORD "TOHU" IN GENESIS 1:2
GOD DID NOT CREATE THE WORLD IN CONFUSION
IT HAD TO BECOME THAT WAY BY AN OUTSIDE FORCE

Debbie Believes: That this is just wrong.

THIS SAME WORD TOHU IS ALSO USED BY JEREMIAH SHOWING GOD'S VIEW
HE USES THIS IDENTICAL WORD TO SHOW SIN WAS THE FORCE
Jeremiah 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, [it was] without form, and void; and the heavens, and they [had] no light.


THE UNIVERSE WAS ORIGINALLY CREATED BY GOD TO BE BEAUTIFUL
IT WAS HARMONIOUS - IN UNITY & PEACE
THEN SOMETHING HAPPENED TO MAKE IT CHAOTIC & CONFUSED


THUS IN GENESIS 1 IT SAYS THAT GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS & EARTH
VERSE 2 SAYS THAT THE EARTH “WAS” WITHOUT FORM & VOID
THE WORD “WAS” IS "HAYAH" IN THE HEBREW


THIS WORD IS # 1961 IN STRONGS DICTIONARY
IT MEANS "BECAME" OR "CAME TO PASS"


THUS IT IS CLEAR THAT GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS & EARTH
CREATION EXISTED FOR AN UNSPECIFIED AMOUNT OF TIME
IT COULD BE MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS OF YEARS


AFTER IT BECAME CHAOTIC & CONFUSED - GOD RESTORED IT AGAIN
WHEN DID THIS OCCUR? --- HOW DID IT HAPPEN?
THE DETAILS ARE REVEALED IN OTHER PARTS OF THE BIBLE

Debbie Believes: None

CHAOS & CONFUSION IS THE RESULT OF SIN
WHAT MANY FORGET IS THAT MAN WAS NOT THE FIRST TO SIN
ANGELS SINNED BEFORE MAN


THE ANGELS WERE CREATED BEFORE MAN
ANGELS WERE WITNESS TO THE CREATION OF THE WORLD
WHEN GOD WAS WORKING WITH JOB HE REVEALED THISTO HIM
Job 38:1-7 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said, Who [is] this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge? Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me. Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Debbie Believes: Yes Angels as with Satan were there before....But they were cast out when satan thought he was greater then God....and not to earth.....

THE ANGELS WERE PROBABLY JOYFUL BECAUSE THE EARTH WAS CREATED FOR THEM
THEY WERE THE FIRST INHABITANTS OF THIS EARTH
THEY DID NOT KEEP THIS EARTH AS GOD INTENDED HOWEVER

Debbie Believes: Why would God cast them out and make the earth for them....Nope

THE ANGELS GIVEN CHARGE OVER THE EARTH LEFT THE EARTH
THEY TRIED TO TAKE OVER HEAVEN & GOD'S THRONE
Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Debbie Believes: Yes they tried to takes God's throne....But earth was never theres for the taking.....

GOD DID NOT ALLOW THE ANGELS TO GO UNPUNISHED WHO DID THIS
HE DID NOT LET THEM OFF THE HOOK FOR WHAT THEY DID
THEY ARE STILL WAITING THEIR FINAL FATE
II Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Debbie Believes: Yes True

THIS WORD "HELL" IS NOT SOME PLACE OF EVERLASTING PUNISHMENT
IT IS "TARAROO" IN THE GREEK
THIS IS THE ONLY TIME THIS WORD IS USED IN THE BIBLE


TARAROO SIMPLY MEANS "PLACE OF RESTRAINT"
THE ANGELS ASCENDED TO HEAVEN
THEY WERE CAST BACK DOWN TO THE EARTH


NOW THEY ARE RESTRAINED TO THIS EARTH
THEY'RE AWAITING THE LAST GREAT DAY
AT THAT TIME ALL WILL BE JUDGED


NOT ALL THE ANGELS ARE RESTRAINED RIGHT NOW
SATAN IS LOOSE
AND ---HE HAS MANY OTHER ANGELS

Debbie Believes: Yes True

AS THE BOOK OF JOB REVEALS HE TRAVELS TO & FROM HEAVEN
SOME OF HIS ANGELS HAVE ACCESS TO HEAVEN ALSO
APPARENTLY HE LED OVER 1/3 OF THE ANGELS ON THE EARTH
THE SCRIPTURES SPEAK OF HIM PRIOR TO CHRIST’S BIRTH
Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born


SATAN ACTUALLY FUNCTIONS AS THE GOD OF THIS PRESENT WORLD
HE OFFERED JESUS ALL THE KINGDOMS OF THIS WORLD
HE COULD DO THIS BECAUSE HE OWNS THOSE KINGDOMS


IN THE DISTANT PAST HE WAS ONCE GOD’S LEADER OVER THESE ANGELS
HE IS STILL IN CONTROL OF THEM
BUT IN TIME HE WILL NO LONGER BE ABLE TO BE IN HEAVEN
HE WILL BE KICKED OUT FOREVER
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Debbie Believes: Yes

WHEN THIS FIRST REBELLION TOOK PLACE JESUS CHRIST WAS THERE
HE WITNESSED THE EVENT AS GOD BEFORE HE WAS A MAN
Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.


SATAN LED AN ATTACK ON GOD'S THRONE
THE DEVIL WAS THRUST BACK
HE WAS THE ONE WHO "FELL" NOT MANKIND

Debbie Believes....When satan was cast out for 1,000 years and then was able to return and is here now.....Not sure on this.

THIS EVENT WAS ALSO DOCUMENTED IN THE OLD TESTAMENT
Isaiah 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!


THE KING OF BABYLON IS DISCUSSED
BECAUSE SATAN WAS THE REAL POWER BEHIND HIS THRONE, THE
VERSES LIFT TO SPEAK OF THE DEVIL HIMSELF AND HIS ATTACK
Isaiah 14:14 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Debbie Believes: Never As I stated above.

THE DEVIL ASCENDED FROM THIS EARTH TO THE THRONE OF GOD
HIS DESIRE WAS TO BE LIKE THE MOST HIGH
WE HAVE OFTEN SPECULATED THAT THIS TOOK PLACE WHEN GOD
REVEALED HIS PLAN FOR MAN TO THE ANGELS


YOU CAN IMAGINE THIS GREAT POWERFUL SPIRIT BEING RULING EARTH
HE MANAGES VAST ARMIES OF ANGELS & PHYSICAL CREATURES
HE FINDS GOD IS GOING TO MAKE MAN & MAN WILL BECOME
RULER OVER HIM


IT IS SIMPLY TOO MUCH TO TAKE---A PHYSICAL MAN – LIKE GOD?
THESE WORMS I PLAY NURSE MAID TO WILL BE OVER ME?
NO WAY!


THIS SAME EVENT WAS DESCRIBED IN ANOTHER SECTION OF SCRIPTURE
IN EZEKIEL IT IS TALKING ABOUT THE KING OF TYRE
THE HUMAN KING ALSO LIFTS TO BECOME A TYPE OF SATAN


AGAIN THIS IS PROBABLY BECAUSE DURING THIS TIME, SATAN WAS INFLUENCING THESE KINGS
Ezekiel 28:12-17 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone [was] thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Thou [art] the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee [so]: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou [wast] perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain (GOVERNMENT) of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.


IT BECOMES CLEAR THAT THIS REBELLION OCCURRED AS A RESULT OF THE DEVIL’S LEADERSHIP
HE WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR AN UPRISING ---AGAINST GOD
HE BELIEVED HE WAS BETTER THAN GOD


IT IS CLEAR THAT HE ASCENDED FROM EARTH TO HEAVEN
HE WAS ACCOMPANIED BY MANY POWERFUL ANGELS
HIS INTENT WAS TO TAKE THE THRONE FROM GOD


HE WANTED TO BECOME GOD
HE COVETED GOD'S PLACE IN THE UNIVERSE
THE ANGELS HAD MISJUDGED THE ETERNAL ONE


THEY MUST HAVE BEEN SHOCKED AT THE RESULT
THEY FOUND THEMSELVES BLASTED BACK TO EARTH
REELING BACKWARD AT THE POWER OF GOD THEY LEARNED
NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE TO THE ALMIGHTY GOD
HIS POWER & GREATNESS IS OVERWHELMING
HE CANNOT BE CONTESTED


SATAN FOUGHT AGAINST GOD AND WAS THRUST BACK TO THE EARTH
THERE HE IS RESTRAINED BY GOD
HE & HIS ANGELS ARE NOW LIMITED IN POWER

Debbie Believes....that this is not so.

THIS WAR IN HEAVEN CAUSED VAST DESTRUCTION
THE WHOLE UNIVERSE WAS EFFECTED
WHEN WE LOOK AT THE CREATION WE SEE THE EVIDENCE


SCIENTISTS ADMIT THE EARTH WAS HIT BY TREMENDOUS DESTRUCTION
THEY REALIZE THERE WAS A CATASTROPHE THAT HIT
HUGE AREAS OF VEGETATION WERE BURIED UNDER THE EARTH


ANIMALS WERE SUDDENLY BURIED WITH FOOD IN THE MOUTHS
THEY WERE CAUGHT OFF GUARD BY SOMETHING THAT HIT HARD
IN MANY CASES, THEIR FOOD WAS TROPICAL


THEY WERE FOUND IN POLAR AREAS
THIS MEANS THAT THE POLAR ICE CAPS MUST HAVE SHIFTED
SOMETHING HIT THE EARTH SO HARD IT CHANGED IT'S AXIS


THE SCRIPTURES APPEAR TO VERIFY THAT
Psalms 82:5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.


SCIENTISTS SPECULATE NOW THAT A GIANT ASTEROID HIT THE EARTH
THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS
THEY KNOW SOMETHING OF ENORMOUS MAGNITUDE HIT EARTH


THEY SEE POCK MARKED PLANETS AND SPACE DEBRIS EVERYWHERE
THERE ARE GIANT PIECES OF PLANETS FLYING THROUGH SPACE
THERE ARE MASSIVE ASTEROIDS


THERE ARE HUGE PIECES OF ICE THAT ARE MILES ACROSS
THEY ARE SIMPLY SPEEDING THROUGH SPACE
THEY ARE MOVING AT THOUSANDS OF MILES PER HOUR



THE RINGS OF SATURN WERE ONCE MOONS
THEY HAVE BEEN PULVERIZED IN TO ROCKS
THERE ARE OTHER AREAS OF SPACE THAT ARE ONLY DUST


WHOLE GALAXIES MAY HAVE BEEN DESTROYED IN AN INSTANT
EVERYTHING OUT THERE IS DESOLATE
THE PICTURES FROM MARS SHOW A DESOLATE PLANET


THE BIBLE INDICATES THAT THIS UNIVERSAL CATASTROPHE WAS THE RESULT OF WAR IN HEAVEN
THE AWESOME & POWERFUL ANGEL SATAN FOUGHT WITH GOD
HIS ANGELS FOUGHT WITH HIM

Debbie Believes: That no.

THE FORCES UNLEASHED IN THIS WAR WERE BEYOND HUMAN COMPREHENSION
THE POWER EXPENDED WAS DEVASTATING
EVERY LIVING THING ON EARTH PERISHED


THE BEAUTIFUL BLUE & WHITE & GREEN ORB CALLED EARTH BECAME LIKE MARS OR THE MOON
THE DEBRIS COVERED THE SUN
THE EARTH BECAME CHAOTIC & CONFUSED


NO LIGHT COULD PENETRATE THE DARKNESS
Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep....

Debbie Believes.....No......However I would believe all the above before I would believe in evolution.

THE EARTH GREW MORE & MORE COLD
EVENTUALLY MASSIVE GLACIERS DEVELOPED
THEY COVERED ENTIRE CONTINENTS & SOME STILL EXIST TODAY


THEN GODS SPIRIT MOVED OVER THE EARTH
HE RENEWED THE FACE OF THE EARTH
"...And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."


THE WORD “MOVED” IS “RA—KAFF” IN THE HEBREW
IT MEANS TO BROOD
GOD PONDERED GRIEVED OVER & AGONIZED ABOUT THE EARTH


THEN GOD RE-CREATED A NEW PHYSICAL HEAVENS & EARTH
HE USED THE SAME POWER TO DEFEAT SATAN TO CREATE
BY THE POWER OF HIS SPIRIT HE RENEWED THE EARTH’S
SURFACE
Psalms 104:30 Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth.


AT THIS POINT GOD RENEWED THE EARTH
HE DID NOT CREATE IT THE FIRST TIME
HE RE-CREATED LIFE UPON IT
Debbie Believes: I believe that the Bible is just and true and if Genesis 1 God re-created the earth....it would say just that.

GOD CLEARED AWAY THE DEBRIS
THE LIGHT COULD SHINE THROUGH
Genesis 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Debbie Believes: That God said let their be light....and it as done.....Sun

THE EARTH WARMED UP & THE GLACIERS MELTED
THE WATER WAS EVERYWHERE
GOD VAPORIZED MUCH OF THE WATER TO CREATE AN
ATMOSPHERE
Gen 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.


NEXT GOD CAUSED DRY LAND TO APPEAR
HE CREATED THE VAST & DIFFERENT VEGETATION ON THE EARTH
THIS TOOK PLACE THE THIRD DAY

Debbie Believes: Yes

THE FOURTH DAY, GOD POSITIONED THE SUN & MOON TO BE A SIGN FOR HOLY DAY OBSERVANCE
Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. Gen 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, Gen 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. Gen 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

Debbie Believes: Agree....except for the holy day observance....It was day and night on the fourth day.

NOTICE THAT THE SCRIPTURES STATE THAT GOD MADE THE SUN & MOON THIS DAY
HE SET THEM IN THEIR RESPECTIVE POSITIONS THE 4TH DAY
THIS MEANS THAT THE SUN & MOON COULD NOT HAVE BEEN IN
THEIR EXACT POSITIONS THE FIRST DAY
THEY TOO WERE KNOCKED OUT OF THEIR ORBITS

Debbie Believes: No

THE FIFTH DAY GOD CREATED THE ANIMALS
THE SIXTH DAY HE CREATED MANKIND
NOW GOD REVEALS ANOTHER EVIDENCE THIS IS RE-CREATION


WHEN GOD CREATED ADAM HE DID NOT TELL HIM TO POPULATE EARTH
HE TOLD HIM TO RE-POPULATE IT
Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth,..

Debbie Believes: "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it, and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky, and over every living thing that moves on earth......So no to both satan and minions and NO RE-POPULATE.

ADAM WAS TOLD TO RE-POPULATE THE EARTH
THAT IS BECAUSE IT WAS POPULATED ONCE
IT TEEMED WITH LIFE MILLIONS OF YEARS BEFORE

Debbie Believes NO

NOW GOD WAS STARTING ALL OVER AGAIN
ADAM WAS TO REPLENISH THE EARTH
THIS TIME IT WOULD BE MANKIND HOWEVER NOT ANGELS

THIS WORD REPLENISH IS THE SAME WORD GOD USED TO INSTRUCT NOAH
GOD HIMSELF DESTROYED THE EARTH AFTER HE ERASED THE POPULATION OF THE EARTH HE TOLD NOAH THE SAME THING HE TOLD ADAM
Genesis 9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.

Debbie Believes yes with the exception of angels ever being on earth.

SO GOD CREATED THE UNIVERSE AND THE EARTH
IT WAS BEAUTIFUL
IT WAS CREATED TO BE INHABITED


THE GALAXY WE LIVE IN IS BILLIONS OF YEARS OLD
THE EARTH IS ALSO BILLIONS OF YEARS OLD
MANKIND, & THE CREATION AS WE KNOW IT TODAY IS ABOUT
6,000 YEARS OLD

Debbie Believes. That the earth is 6,000 years old.

THE ANGELS INHABITED THE EARTH FIRST
IT WAS THEIR FIRST ESTATE
SATAN CORRUPTED THE THEM AND THE EARTH

Debbie Believes: No

GOD THEN RE-CREATED THE EARTH
HE MADE MAN IN HIS IMAGE
HE MADE THE OTHER ANIMALS WARM BLOODED & IN THE IMAGE OF
THE ANGELIC COMMUNITY
THUS, THE ANIMALS HAVE WINGS, BEAKS, FACES OF OXEN, THEY
ARE HORSE LIKE, AND HAVE FACES LIKE LIONS

Debbie NO

SO THAT THE CREATION WOULD REFLECT THE THINGS OF GOD HE ALSO MADE COLD BLOODED CREATURES
THERE IS THE WHOLE COLD BLOODED REPTILIAN COMMUNITY
REFLECTING THE DEVIL & HIS ANGELS

Debbie Believes: NO

THE NEW CREATION COULD NOT HAVE EVOLVED
THERE IS NO REAL EVIDENCE THAT EVOLUTION IS TRUE
JUST THE OPPOSITE
IN ORDER FOR EVOLUTION TO BE TRUE THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE
LINKS BETWEEN LIZARDS & BIRDS

Debbie Believes YES

THERE WOULD BE LINKS BETWEEN DINOSAURS & OTHER CREATURES
THERE ARE NO FOSSILS ANYWHERE THAT INDICATE THIS
INSTEAD THERE IS A WORLD THAT WAS REPTILIAN IN NATURE
EARTH WAS ONCE DOMINATED BY LIZARD LIKE CREATURES

THEN THAT WORLD SUDDENLY DISAPPEARS
SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT EMERGED
GOD WOULD COMPLETE HIS PLAN
THE NEW WORLD WAS PREPARED FOR A NEW CREATURE -MANKIND


THE NEW WORLD WAS NO LONGER PRIMARILY COLD BLOODED
IT WAS PRIMARILY FILLED WITH WARM BLOODED CREATURES
IT WAS A WORLD DESIGNED FOR MANKIND TO LIVE & LEARN IN


IT WAS CREATED TO BE A TRAINING GROUND FOR MAN TO LEARN TO LIVE LIKE GOD
ONLY GOD CAN BE TRUSTED TO USE HIS POWER IN LOVE
FOR THIS REASON HE WILL NOT PUT THE EARTH UNDER THE
CONTROL OF ANGELS AGAIN
Hebrews 2:5 For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.

Debbbie Believes: Fabrication

HE WILL PUT THE WORLD UNDER THE SUBJECTION OF MAN CHANGED TO BECOME LIKE CHRIST MAN WILL HAVE LIVED UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF THESE BEINGS WE WILL HAVE BEEN SUBJECT TO HATE LUST AND COVETING
WE WILL HAVE COME TO HATE THAT WAY


HAVING DEVELOPED THE MIND OF GOD --- TO THINK LIKE HE DOES
TO LIVE AS HE DOES
EVENTUALLY WE WILL INHERIT THIS EARTH
WE WILL FINISH BEAUTIFYING IT


THUS WE CAN SEE THAT REAL SCIENCE & GOD’S WORD ARE COMPATIBLE
WE CAN’T ALWAYS TRUST OUR INTERPRETATION
BUT --- WE CAN ALWAYS TRUST GOD’S WORD MORE THAN MEN


THUS --- PREHISTORY TEACHES US AN INCREDIBLE LESSON
WE NEED TO WORK AT BECOMING LIKE GOD AND CHRIST
WE NEED TO REMAIN HUMBLE MEEK & TEACHABLE

Debbie Believes: Yes

SATAN IS GOING TO ONCE AGAIN ATTEMPT TO RUIN THIS WORLD
IT WILL BECOME SO BAD THAT IF CHRIST DID NOT COME, ALL
FLESH WOULD BE DESTROYED
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Debbie Believes: That satan is already here.....and that all that is evil and bad is of him.

THE CREATOR WILL NOT LET THAT HAPPEN AGAIN
IF WE SUBMIT TO HIS GOVERNMENT IN OUR LIVES NOW
IF WE WILL LIVE BY HIS LAWS HE WILL USE US


HE WILL USE US TO PRESERVE GODS KINGDOM ON EARTH WHEN HE RETURNS
WE WILL LIVE & WORK WITH THE FATHER, CHRIST
AT THAT TIME WE WILL WORK WITH THE AND GREAT MEN & WOMEN
OF GOD THROUGH HISTORY

Debbie Believes: Yes

AND --- ONE DAY WE WILL BE PRIVILEGED TO BE PART OF ANOTHER RECREATION
GOD WILL CREATE A NEW HEAVENS
HE WILL CREATE A NEW EARTH
HE WILL BRING NEW JERUSALEM WITH HIM TO LIVE WITH US

Debbie Believes: NOPE

IT IS THE GREATEST HOPE EVER IMAGINED
AND LIKE THE REST OF THE BIBLE
WE CAN TRUST IT ---IT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE


THEREFORE, LETS LEARN THE LESSON SATAN FAILED TO LEARN
LET’S SEEK THE KINGDOM WITH ALL OUR MIGHT
LET’S SEEK THAT KINGDOM --- NOT BY POWER STRUGGLES


LETS SEEK IT BY PURSUING CHRIST’S RIGHTEOUSNESS IN OUR LIVES

Debbie Believes Yes.

Now people this is my mistake and it will never happened again. I will not just glance at this threads anymore...but read word for word......Because once again the Lord has opened my eyes to truth. And yes I would like to know what exactly Art believes: What Bible he reads?

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