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So, are the planets themselves the 'physical' personification of the god/essess?

What is the purpose of the human race? How were they created? Are there other intelligent creations on other worlds?

Is magic the way all god/essess preform miricals?

Are the deities restricted/limited in their powers in any way?

Are all deities connected to anchiant mythologies? Which are not and how did they make their persona known?

Wow thats alot to think about LOFL..
Let Me get back to you on some of that, but as far as the beginning of the univers, here is the wiccan belief.

GODDESS AS CREATRIX OF THE UNIVERSE
For most of us, when we say "Divine Mother" or "The Goddess" we are talking about the Supreme Being as the creatrix of the universe who expresses compassion and love in a very personal, direct, and intimate way in the same way that a loving mother cares for her children.

Words fail to say who or what the Goddess is but She can be known and experienced in a direct and personal way. This means that we can't say for sure how big She is or where She came from or what Her ultimate form is or why She is. What we can do is enter into a relationship with Her, a communion that is very intimate, close, loving and personal. She will be our best friend and confidant and our patient teacher.

Both the creation stories in Genesis and in the Hindu Rig Veda begin with the idea of the formless, the void, and the absolute. Then creation arose (or is continually arising) out of this. The Rig Veda describes this "arising" as a divine whim or play of the Supreme. The creation that occurs is Mother (maya), the divine whim (Shakti or power) is also Mother and the absolute formless ground of being is, again, Mother. We can grab hold of Her skirt at any point along this timeless expression of the Divine and, if we hold on tightly, She will dispel our illusions and deliver us to the blissful and peaceful realization of Divine Truth.

Maya, in Her potential aspect, is the divine power of the Lord. She has no beginning. She is composed of the three universal qualities (gunas), subtle, beyond perception. It is from the effects She produces that Her existence is inferred by the wise. It is She who gives birth to the whole universe. - Adi Shankara, The Crest Jewel of Discrimination Translated by Swami Prabhavananda & Christopher Isherwood

When the Supreme Being is thought of as actionless - neither creating, sustaining nor destroying - I call Him by the name of Brahman (pure absolute formless being) or Purusha. But when I think of him as active - creating, sustaining and destroying - I call him by the name of Shakti (Divine Mother as primal energy) or Maya (the veiling power of the Divine Mother by which the One appears as many) or Prakriti (Divine Mother as primordial nature which, in association with Purusha, creates the universe).

The actionless Brahman and the active Shakti are in fact one and the same. He, who is the Absolute Existence-Intelligence-Bliss, is also the All-knowing, the All-intelligent and All-blissful Mother of the universe. A precious stone and its luminosity are one and the same, for you cannot imagine a diamond without it, and vice versa.

God the absolute (formless) and God the personal (Divine Mother; form) are one and the same. A belief in one implies a belief in the other. Fire cannot be thought of apart from its burning power; nor can its burning power be thought of apart from it. Thus God the absolute cannot be thought of apart from the idea of God with attributes (Mother). - Ramakrishna - The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna Translated by Swami Nikhilananda

This is what my book of Wiccan says on that score, Redy, here goes: In Wiccan thought, the Deities didn't exist before our spiritual ancestors acknowledgement of them. However, the energies behind them did; they created us. Early worshippers regarded this as the Goddess and God, personifying them in an attempt to understand them.

They do not seem to dwell on a creationary theory of creation or another form of man's creation so much. To me it is just what is, is. They utilize the powers of the different deities but the personification of each of the deities is also representative of a natural force or being here on earth. It is more complex than what one would consider the Christian religion. But they are not overly obsessed with how we got here but what we can do to improve the world, spiritual and physical with what we have.

I hope I am not messing this up to badly.

Oh and the judgement in this religion is almost non-existent other than the Main rule of hurting no being ever including yourself.

Wow, that is excellent !! Those are the kinda questions I always like to ask, and I really appreciate you answering them for Redykeulous. Those were some great questions ! Its always interesting to me,how many concepts are shared by all the different religions. There are so many similarities once you delve beyond the surface.

Not bad, could be better, getting better. That's all that really counts.

GG - sorry if I was overwhelming, the questions just kinda poured from my mind to my fingertips.

Appreciate the time you have taken to respond. I will look into this more. It's been about 25 years since I last devlved into these beliefs.


CREATIVE - many thanks, adding what you wrote to the reply of GG seemed to make more sense.

I'm INTERESTED in all beliefs whose greatest rule is "cause no harm" (or the like).

I still think I should have been a doctor, just so I could take that hypocratic oathe and finally proclaim my belief:
FIRST DO NO HARM!

it sounds pretty similar of what my Heavenly Father has done for humanity and this planet, His creation

Hi TLW

I laughed with your post, two perspectives, awe what the heck, I'll add mine too.

A belief in one God and a whole lot doctrine

or

A belief in many 'deities' and one simple doctrine.


Either way, it's a lot of reading to figure out how to live a life that we seem perfectly capable of living without having to really read how, at all.

amen sistah

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hi my dearest lady

Well Good Night All You Wonderful People!!!
Blessings
GeminiGoddess

"So, are the planets themselves the 'physical' personification of the god/essess?

What is the purpose of the human race? How were they created? Are there other intelligent creations on other worlds?

Is magic the way all god/essess preform miricals?

Are the deities restricted/limited in their powers in any way?

Are all deities connected to anchiant mythologies? Which are not and how did they make their persona known?"






Chaotic magick teaches that the universe is infinite and too vast for the sane mind to comprehend, and that in infinity (or by scientific terms beyond the event horizon) perfection and chaos r impossible to tell apart

Wiccans have no beef with Christianity other than them claiming they are the one true religion. If one chooses to claim Christian beliefs and practice Wicca also, no problem. Wiccans embrace all people and living beings as being significant and part of the greater good. Everything is considered having an energy and practitioners draw and utilize the energies for actions of good.

The difference for me, is that we are the deciders of what we do with our personal energy and the power we pull from our surroundings. There is one solid rule and that is that no being is harmed including yourself. There is no judgements, the goddess and gods work with us to make things better as we choose.

Blessed be to all!

So if your only beef with Christianity is that they claim to be the true religion are you saying your not claiming to be the true religion. If your not claiming to be the true religion then its all a bunch of halloween mumbo jumbo. If you are claiming to be the true religion, then isnt that a bit hypocritical? People can get along, people of different religions can get along, but different religons in themselves as religions can never coexist. The problems arise when we confuse people with religion.

It makes little sense, to me, for any monotheistic believer to embrace a line of belief that encompasses numerous godly energies.

It is reminiscent of other faiths, I have witnessed, who would stretch out their open arms and make claims to entice others to follow, only to close the gap later.

This is pretty much in agreement with stevex86.

It's my personal opinion that, in spite of all the words we have created, our vocabulary is severely deficient. We use many words that have 'one' definition and 'liken' them to mean others. Are the gods and goddesses of a belief system, equal to the definition of a monotheistic god?

There are many times I see the words god and goddess, used in conversations regarding beliefs.

Often these words are used as a 'catch-all' label. In the wiccan system, it seems that energy is likened to the label of god and goddess.

The definition of this ONE energy seems to encompass a range from the physical to the intangible as well as incorporated properties allowing the energy to shape shift at will but still be recognized as extending from the same ONE energy.

If the label, god and goddess, is to stand, it MUST be assumed to bear the same meaning as the dfinition that is attributed to the monotheistic value of the word god.

This being the case, any further descriptions surrounding the nature of that god, and our 'percieved' interactions with the godly, encapsulate it into the doctrine of a religion.

To say - ""believe whatever you will, but know that you are welcome here no matter what you believe"", makes the gesture automatically an exclusionary one.

To 'offer' such amnesty, with the understanding that other doctrines would never allow for such flexibility, becomes only a 'show' of openness. While, inside, the doctrines that 'describe' the nature of the belief are being adhered to.

At some point in any belief system there will friction and division of the original doctrine.

I, personally, do not think humanity, at this point, needs further fractioniation.

Now show me a doctrine based on logic, understanding, and communication, absent of any godly energy and I will show you a way to create an ethical governing body. A system capable of providing the life validating necessities of all the people, regardless of their personal beliefs.

In the end, while I maintain a great interest in all religious views, any belief system that incorporates the use of the labels, gods and goddesses, is just one more doctrine allowing others even more bias and prejudice from which to choose.

Anyone remember an archaic sit-com with "Archie Bunker"? The world is full of Archie Bunkers, but a great many are not so harmless or loveable. Continueing to seek 'doctrine' to unite in the name of gods and goddesses, only serves to promote more Archie Bunkers, and an avenue for those Archie's who are not so good one, to find a place of authority.

Peace and Light to all mankind!