Topic: Military Casualties
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Fri 12/14/07 05:25 PM
Here are some interesting statistics.

These are some rather eye-opening facts: Since the start of the war on
terror in Iraq and Afghanistan , the sacrifice has been enormous. In the
time period from the invasion of Iraq in March 2003 through now, we have
lost over 3000 military personnel to enemy action and accidents.

As tragic as the loss of any member of the US Armed Forces is, consider
the following statistics: Here are annual fatalities of military members
while actively serving in the armed forces from 1980 through 2006:
1980...... 2,392
1981 .......... 2,380
1984 ........... 1,999
1988 .......... 1,819
1989 ........... 1,636
1990 .......... 1,508
1991 ............ 1,787
1992 ........... 1,293
1993 ............ 1,213
1994 ........... 1,075
1995 ...........2,465
1996 .......... 2,318
1997 ............ 817
1998 .......... 2,252
1999 ........... 1,984
2000 .......... 1,983
2001 ........... 890
2002 .......... 1,007
2003 ........... 1,410
2004 ......... 1,887
2005 .......... 919
2006........... 920

If you are confused when you look at these figures...so was I.

Do these figures mean that the loss from the two latest conflicts in the
Middle East are LESS than the loss of military personnel during Mr.
Clinton's presidency; when America wasn't even involved in a war? And,
I was even more confused; when I read that in 1980, during the reign of
President (Nobel Peace Prize) Jimmy Carter, there were 2,392 US military
fatalities!

These figures indicate that many of our media and politicians will pick
and choose. They present only those 'facts' which support their
agenda-driven reporting. Why do so many of them march in lock-step to
twist the truth. Where do so many of them get their marching-orders for
their agenda?

Our Mainstream Print and TV media, and many politicians like to slant;
that these brave men and women, who are losing their lives in Iraq, are
mostly minorities! Wrong AGAIN--- just one more media lie! The latest
census, of Americans, shows the following distribution of American
citizens, by race:

Here are the fatalities by race; over the past three years in Iraqi Freedom:

European descent (white) ..... 74.31%
Hispanic ................................. 10.74% Black
......................................... 9.67% Asian
......................................... 1.81%
Native American ...................... 1.09%
Other ........................................... .33%

You do the Math! These figures don't lie... but, media-liars figure...and
they sway public opinion!

(These statistics are published by Congressional Research Service, and
they may be confirmed by anyone at:
http://WWW.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf )

Now ask yourself these two questions:

'Why does the mainstream Print and TV Media never print statistics like
these, and why do we have to find out this information on the web?

Dragoness's photo
Fri 12/14/07 05:48 PM
This is what I read concerning that issue:

"Feel free to read that again slowly": Daily Sentinel's Harmon misinterpreted military death statistics to assert lower rate under Bush than Clinton
Summary: Gary Harmon of The Daily Sentinel of Grand Junction falsely asserted in his May 31 column that members of the U.S. military "died at a faster rate under Clinton's 'peace' years than Bush's war years." In fact, total deaths of U.S. service members have, in President Bush's sixth year, surpassed those during former President Bill Clinton's eight-year tenure -- according to statistics Harmon cited in his column.
In his May 31 column in The Daily Sentinel of Grand Junction, Gary Harmon misinterpreted statistics on deaths of U.S. military personnel to falsely assert that "American soldiers, sailors and marines under fire have died at a slower rate during the five years of shooting wars in Iraq and Afghanistan than they did during the eight years of the supposed peacetime of the Clinton years." Harmon also claimed that "Americans in uniform died at a faster rate under Clinton's 'peace' years than Bush's war years." However, the statistics Harmon provided disprove both claims: Six years into President Bush's tenure, total U.S. military deaths already have surpassed those during former President Bill Clinton's eight years in office.

Harmon stated that his source for statistics on the combat and noncombat deaths of U.S. military personnel was the U.S. Department of Defense's Defense Manpower Data Center.

From Gary Harmon's column, "Knock on wood, Bush losses are staying low," in the May 31 edition of The Daily Sentinel of Grand Junction:

There's a certain knock-on-wood aspect of caution to this observation, but it's worth defying superstition to illuminate the debate over the War on Terror.

It happens that shortly before Memorial Day, the war on terror in Iraq and Afghanistan passed a sad milestone that went largely ignored.

What happened was the combat death toll among U.S. military personnel serving in Iraq and Afghanistan over the past five years passed the halfway point for the death toll of the entire Clinton administration.

Feel free to read that again slowly.

That's right. American soldiers, sailors and marines under fire have died at a slower rate during the five years of shooting wars in Iraq and Afghanistan than they did during eight years of the supposed peacetime of the Clinton years.

[...]

During those eight years, 7,500 Americans in military service died, according to the Defense Manpower Data Center.

The current death toll from the war on terror hit 3,824 before Memorial Day.

To be sure, combat deaths are higher during war than a supposed peace, but the military can be a dangerous place under any circumstance. The center tracks all causes, including accidents, actions by hostile forces, terrorists (an occasionally useful distinction), illness, undetermined and suicides. The all-causes death toll so far under George W. Bush is about 9,550.

The horrific attacks on American military personnel over the Memorial Day weekend propelled it further beyond the halfway mark, but the fact remains that Americans in uniform died at a faster rate under Clinton's "peace" years than Bush's war years. So far. Knock on wood.

The statistics Harmon provided contradict his claim that "Americans in uniform died at a faster rate under Clinton's 'peace' years than Bush's war years": 9,550 -- the "all-causes death toll" he cited for Bush's six years in office -- is greater than 7,500, the figure given for Clinton's eight-year presidency.

Harmon appears to have based his inaccurate assertion on the fact that the "death toll from the war on terror" -- 3,824 before this Memorial Day, May 28 -- is about half of the total of all military deaths during Clinton's entire presidency. However, combat deaths constitute only a portion of the total number of deaths of U.S. military personnel. The figures that Harmon provided indicate that under Bush, 5,726 military personnel died from noncombat causes before Memorial Day; added to the number of combat deaths, the total number of military deaths under Bush has surpassed those during Clinton's eight years in office.

Harmon's distortion of military death statistics is similar to one contained in a February 20 column by Alicia Colon in The New York Sun and repeated by Rush Limbaugh on the February 21 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show. In her column, Colon compared the number of combat deaths in Bush's first term with the total number of military deaths in Clinton's first term. As Media Matters for America noted, there were fewer total military deaths in Clinton's first term (4,302) than in Bush's first term (5,187). Media Matters also noted that military deaths have increased year-over-year since Bush took office in 2001 -- both in raw terms and as a percentage of the total number serving -- and have increased dramatically since the beginning of the Iraq war.

http://colorado.mediamatters.org/items/200705310002

butikal's photo
Fri 12/14/07 05:52 PM
because they have an agenda, of course. Media has stopped reporting the news and now tries to make up the news, whether or not that news is based in fact or not. It's sad, with so much of America believing everything they are told on the nightly news cast...when it is so obvious there is a bias in reporting. Most of the time they don't even properly research a news story before reporting it....it fits their agenda and they just run with it. But when the statistics you mentioned above are actively used to decieve people, that is beyond reporting the news.

no photo
Fri 12/14/07 05:56 PM
so i actually checked that link you listed and I think you need to read a little closer my friend. The numbers you have listed are total deaths included things like illness, suicide, accidents blah blah. The numbers you listed for 2005-2006 are deaths only from hostile activity, not total deaths like the numbers you listed for earlier years. In short, the reason the numbers you posted are not in the news is because they are (according to your source) incorrect.

lonelyMPsoldier's photo
Fri 12/14/07 05:56 PM
This is comforting....knowing that i will be in Iraq in 2 months!

Fitnessfanatic's photo
Fri 12/14/07 05:59 PM
Deaths are one thing but that leaves out amputies, brain trauma, and mental illness.

As a Iraq war veteran told me, "They sent you back just not in one piece."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_conflict_in_Iraq_since_2003#Amputees

As of January 18, 2007, there were at least 500 American amputees due to the Iraq War. According to a Time magazine article, the 500th victim was a 24-year-old corporal, who lost both legs in a roadside bomb explosion on January 12, 2007. He was cared for at the military hospital in Landstuhl, Germany, and then was transferred to Walter Reed Army Medical Center.

The article reports: "The 500 major amputations — toes and fingers aren't counted — represent 2.2% of the 22,700 U.S. troops wounded in action. But the number rises to 5% in the category of soldiers whose wounds prevent them returning to duty."[41]


Traumatic brain injuries (TBI)
A Feb. 2007 article[114] by Discover magazine, titled "Dead Men Walking. What sort of future do brain-injured Iraq veterans face?", reports: "One expert from the VA estimates the number of undiagnosed TBIs at over 7,500. Nearly 2,000 brain-injured soldiers have already received some level of care, ..."

Mental Illness
A March 12, 2007 Time magazine article[116] reports on a study published in the Archives of Internal Medicine. About one third of the 103,788 veterans returning from the Iraq and Afghanistan wars seen at Veterans Affairs facilities between September 30, 2001 and September 30, 2005 were diagnosed with mental illness or a psycho-social disorder, such as homelessness and marital problems, including domestic violence. More than half of those diagnosed, 56%, were suffering from more than one disorder. The most common combination was post-traumatic stress disorder and depression.


Plus this is only American forces what about the cost of coalition forces.

jonlaw's photo
Fri 12/14/07 07:36 PM

because they have an agenda, of course. Media has stopped reporting the news and now tries to make up the news, whether or not that news is based in fact or not. It's sad, with so much of America believing everything they are told on the nightly news cast...when it is so obvious there is a bias in reporting. Most of the time they don't even properly research a news story before reporting it....it fits their agenda and they just run with it. But when the statistics you mentioned above are actively used to decieve people, that is beyond reporting the news.
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Ya I sleep alot better at night knowing Wolf Blitzer is in the situation roonsad

jonlaw's photo
Fri 12/14/07 07:38 PM
oops made a mistake above will someone tell me how to quote and then unquote.

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Fri 12/14/07 07:51 PM

oops made a mistake above will someone tell me how to quote and then unquote.



i think you accidentally deleted the bracket after your "[/quote "

jonlaw's photo
Tue 12/18/07 03:44 PM


oops made a mistake above will someone tell me how to quote and then unquote.



"i think you accidentally deleted the bracket after your "[/quote "
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Thany you for the help