I get bullied or picked on just because i wear jeans and a t shirt. Women get
Comments from men just because they think there macho or feel there superiority over women. Men need to get a grip.

I see it all as a child mentality, by BOTH genders.
I live near warm sunny beaches.
I see women and men dressed in shorts and swimsuits.
These same women and men go to stores, walk the streets and eat at restaurants.

There are nightclubs all around. People tend to express their sexuality.
I am however, not a teenager that stops short everytime I see boobies.
I do have control over my impulses. The impulses are there but I have control of them because I am in control of myself.

As a shop manager one of my requirements were to conduct compliance training.
Sexual harassment training was required in the company's CMS (Compliance Management System).
There are federal laws in the Federal Register dealing with sexual harassment in the workplace. These laws protect both men and women and the company's liability. Our company had a zero tolerance policy in any workplace harassment.
The focus of every class was to press being in control of yourself.

That being said, I find sweaters and dresses on women sexier than a bikini.
But then, I do have a vivid imagination.

If the comment was directed at her breasts, you're right. If the comment was about something else, say her shoes or makeup or a new do, that would not be improper. Likewise with a handicap, all depends on what the comment is. Why do people often take something and try to turn it into harassment?? No wonder we just ignore most women totally as their own insecurities determine how they perceive anything we might say!!!!!!!!

Are men unknowing victims of sexual harassment ???

in the scenario you presented ....

... if they only have a prehistoric reptilian brain and live in the days of hunter/gatherers . They potentially might be unknowing victims of biological evolutionary sexual flaws /primal urges

Imagine a world where we all just ran amouk with our “urges” whenever we felt
enticed. Self-control is not gender-specific, so why should some people, in the
case of your OP, men, get a pass?

do you mean to say -

?

If yes:

This could be true in specific cases, but if you meant this is either a trend or some sort of a worldwide evil movement: the trend claim can probably be proven to exist with statistics and analyzed to root-cause, the movement claim would be just a conspiracy theory until you can convince someone to an exhaustive investigation.

We do seem to be hearing of more such cases than before, that may be because
- we generally hear of more things than before
- more women are able to interact with men and hence incidences are more
(regardless of who - the man or the woman - is lying in each case)
- more women are speaking up and telling the truth
- more women are lying
- more men are doing stuff and women are telling the truth
There might be any number of other explanations. Any of them is unlikely to fit all cases.

Is it not a bit like any undocumented transaction between two persons? e.g. your friend allows you to borrow his car and then accuses you of theft.

I think Motown's on to something.
Everybody get naked, but nobody make any comments about anything, ever, just keep it to yourself and be polite, and don't dangle bits in the food.

First, you nailed it on the thread

Second, I definitely agree with you that we men(sorry men but this is a fact) have a tendencyto or an urge to make sexual remarks. And the cause is i believe our (men's) mind above anything. It is just the way we are made(BTW it is not a defense)

But remember, when women were fully clothed we tend to make less sexual remarks. But when they show us what they have got publicly, our remarks go through the roof

I guess that's where the laws became necessary... to help you guys cool your jets a little

Women do the same thing, it's just not taken as being offensive to as many men as it does some women. Perhaps we (women) need to lighten up a bit and take it as a compliment the way most guys do.

With that said, I do believe there comes a time when it's blatant harassment, and that needs to be addressed. It's when it's a simple gesture such as a whistle or such, that I feel we need to lighten up a bit. Getting someone fired simply because he whistled at me would be carrying things a bit far, imo.

For those unsure of the difference between a compliment at work and sexual harassment , this might help

http://klinglerlaw.com/faq/compliment-sexual-harassment/

It is pretty simple ., "a compliment is only a compliment if it feels good "

@river .. what type of compliment are you suggesting we "lighten up" about ???

Hi Blondey I was mostly referring to what I see in the work force over here in the US. There are times when a man will tell a woman her hair looks sexy like that or whistle at her in more of a flirtatious way or meaning it as a compliment. Some take it as such, others flip out and turn them in for sexual harassment, often times before telling the person his behavior is bothering them. That, in my opinion, is over reacting.

Yes, it is a compliment only if it feels good to the one receiving it. However, if the one receiving it does not speak up when it does not feel good, then the man will naturally think there isn't a problem will continue doing it. That to me is not harassment. Harassment according to the law is any gesture that doesn't feel comfortable to the one receiving it. To me that's not entirely fair, it should become harassment after it has been voiced that the behavior is not welcomed, if the behavior continues.

Anything that "objectifies" a person could potentially lead to sexual harassment . Using the word "sexy" in a professional environment could become questionable . Context intent and relationship is important . Did he say that as he brushed past her body?? Would he make the same comment to a male colleague ?? would others find the comment reasonably suggestive or offensive . Is she treated differently at work because of the comment ? Is it her boss saying her hair looks sexy ??? Does he have power control or influence over her ?
It is more complicated than a comment and whether it is seemingly innocent or not .

well, how about this. we treat each other like human beings. if I find someone attractive, I can walk up to them, without violating any "personal space" and let them know. "i just wanted to say that i think your a very attractive person" and if there is no overt invite to continue , just smile and walk away. hows that for logic, respect AND admiration of beauty without insulting anyone. be adult about it.

Exactly, I agree. And it can be quite complicated as to whether it was indeed innocent or not. In those cases I believe a warning should be given and if it continues, then it becomes harassment and action should be taken. For the more blatant cases, of course action should be taken without warning.

I don't feel it's appropriate to call someone sexy in the workplace, but I do feel going to the extreme of accusing that person of harassment is over reacting. People get comfortable and relaxed in their work environments and they have the tendency to start speaking in a less professional manner. It's those situations when a simple reminder that that kind of talk is not acceptable can put a stop to it so it doesn't become complicated.

And as you said, content and relationship also play a role. It might be okay with someone you worked with for a long time, but not the new person who just started.

You’re forgetting about “awkward!”, for the other person. While you may think
the person would be basking in delight at such a compliment, it could make
future encounters weird for them.

The only things a man should ever say to a woman he works with who is not his wife should be strictly work related. Anything else has the potential to cost him his job!!!! A woman you work with is never to be treated in a social manner unless in a formal, polite way. If your actions are any different than how you would treat your mother or grandmother, they are totally off limits!!!!!

Thank you for the visual

Wtf?
Is this a joke?
This sounds like something Borat or a President would say
I did not have sexual relations with that woman
She willfully entrapped me, with her cleavage, after putting brandy in my coffee, which I tasted, but did not drink

As long as you shave your pubes and butt hair. You can run a piece of duct tape to cover your *** crack and privits as a woman. Also put tape to cover her nipples. That's perfectly legal and would be less distracting.

Uf cause women won't do that because they just want to be troublemakers. Then they know a bunch of feminist will screech about the male gaze.