faith don't fill your belly or cure thirst..so explain how without the 5 sense people will accomplish those task

ahh i wouldnt be so sure. Isnt hunger all the mind telling you, you need to eat?

Without those tasks, we must be relyant on Faith, not really knowing anything! Very hard task to be that faithful and not be spiritual. Always assume, i dont know what im doing but i know its satisying my hunger, thirst, Granted theyd have no recolition of our language (Wether they associate it with thirst or hunger). They cannot feel, but realize that they are on solid ground, it would take alot of faith for someone to function in this world, but i believe it can be done

sorry Kalamazooguy..but remember you said no 5 senses and that means no touch or feel ..so one wouldn't feel hungry to know when to eat or would even be able to taste food ...so explain how the task of eating would be fullfilled

yes you would be hungry, the mind tells the body to eat therefore you eat no senses involved.....

so how do you find food or know what to eat

Faith,

i cannot say as though i have been put in such a situation, but relying on faith, which i have alot of faith but i cannot fathom having that much.

what do you mean faith? ...again,faith is not going to fill your belly....so explain how would you find food without the 5 senses

Well - what you have is an impossible situation. Without just two of the main senses - seeing and hearing, there is absolutely no way to even introduce the "concept" of God - add to that the sense of touch, and you are further limited, so "evidence" means nothing when the concept isn't even known. In order to even begin to "think" about something - doesn't there need to be a way to introduce the concept?

which is faith, And dont say without Seeing and hearing God cannot be introduced. Remember Moses afterall, God is much deeper than the 5 sences im afriad.

Dude why would you even mention Moses in this equation..was he without 5 senses?....and you must think the people in the forum don't have 5 senses to tell how you keep avoiding answering questions in your own thread ...

as well he recieved the gospel without either hearing nor seeing. my point taken.

the fact that as you claim Moses didn't hear the gospel just suggest that Moses may have been delusional ...didn't he also hear to put unruly children to death...which shows that Moses was most likely nuts

Our five senses are considered to be the ability to see, hear, feel, taste and smell. The question before us is how we would gain any evidence of anything if all five senses were not present. What we gain from the use of our five senses, (In my case only four and a fraction) is intelligence. If we had none of the five ways of gathering data, we would, I imagine, have no intelligence. There would be no evidence. We would have no information. Any idea we then had would be based on the absence of information.
Increasingly there is a lack of the sixth sense that allows us to reason. Without this ability, the sense called “common sense”, we are not able to believe.

Well - I will not disagree with you. If you think about it though, someone born without the 5 senses is not likely to sin. Therefore their conscience remains pure, and they would surely be in tune with the Holy Spirit, though the concept of such would likely not be understood with the same similarity that one with all their senses has.

The brain receives information from the senses through the nervous central system. The senses I believe are filters for the information the brain receives. Would the brain become overloaded without these filters? A sixth sense as I understand it is a supposed special ability to perceive something not using any of the five senses. With modern technology, in that state, I am not certain how long such an individual could or would survive.

There are bibles in braille so deaf/blind can learn of God through the means that most humans can understand.

Can God communicate directly with the severly disabled? I believe that we have a spirit and as believers are one with God.

The concept though difficult to grasp or explain is not outside the bounds of imagination.

I find many things throughout history have seemed impossible until it is done. As a believer, nothing is impossible with God.

Evidence:

Personal experience is said to be a form of evidence. In that light if a parent has a severly disabled child and is changed by God through that experience, is that evidence? You might find this interesting Kalamazoo.

http://www.radioiowa.com/gestalt/go.cfm?objectid=79F474A3-F63F-5DBA-EE12D90116F52788
Former candidate for governor writes about disabled son

Vander Plaats wrote a book called "Light from Lucas". He discusses the life lessons he's learned from his severely-disabled 13-year-old son, Lucas.

Vander Plaats says his own faith had been tested by the deaths of three siblings before he even began a family of his own. "I
truly had come to grips -- before Lucas -- that there is a God and Jesus is my Lord and Savior," Vander Plaats says. "But it
was really Lucas that I think God used to bring me to my knees to say 'Bob, you can't fix this. You are not tough enough to
go this journey alone.'"
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As a believer I do not think that God communicates with the parent and is not also quite capable of reaching the innocent
soul.

Thank you Britty awsome job =)

jlhead:

That post was quite a rational thought process, which seems to me, led to the conclusion that mankind simply needed a frame of reference outside of itself...in order to more 'accurately' judge itself. Add to that, the post's author portraying an image that led one to believe there should be no confidence in man's ability to distinguish 'right' from 'wrong', thereby allowing the justification of such 'knowledge' to be outside of man's capabilities, therefore attributing it's existence to a God...

If one truly believes that we are all 'born sinners' this would make perfect sense... Never-the-less, that was quite a post, however, unfortunately for me, the personal attachment at the end compromised it's impersonal character.



Kalamazoo:

I am finding a little humour, of sorts, watching the complete confusion of a cause and effect relationship be manipulated by 'self' through an incorruptably blind worldly fingerprint.

Simply put... without outside stimulation, there is NO mind... NONE...

What could one possible reference if one had no way to experience? No experience = No reference

What good is a COMPLETELY BLANK hard drive... without some OUTSIDE information being installed?

In the truest of senses... there is little, if any difference, between nothing and everything. There must be a frame of reference for either one to experience ANYTHING.

Sorry Creative i disagree with you yet again. You are completly under-estimating the mind. This topic is to do people to realize that maybe we are only thinking more with our senses and not our mind.. The senses report to the mind, Creative im rather disapointed that you didnt interalize this post and instead your telling me without my sense of touch i cannot have such a mind. Maybe give this idea some thought.

Do not be disappointed Kalamazoo... it is all good

What I will say here should allow a bridge of understanding between us...

You completely quoted yourself and gave me 'credit' when you started a notion with "...instead your telling me without my sense of touch i cannot have such a mind."

I could not completely disagree more with this assumption's telling character... it is not I who have written such verbage my friend.

What I am 'telling you' is that the mind is 'fed' throughout one's life through the sensory systems in place.... and it can only eat of that which it is fed.

=) i can appreicate a bridge between our 2 view poiits.


Explain this a little more maybe im too tired to understand but it seems like theres alot here.


//What I am 'telling you' is that the mind is 'fed' throughout one's life through the sensory systems in place.... and it can only eat of that which it is fed. ///

I the mind learns through our sensory systems. I can agree. HOWEVER, i believe our mind can live regarding "evolution" and "Religion" in society without such senses. But think faithfully. You have no senses.