IF taxpayers were up for it in their schools
and IF employers were up for it at their place of business

do you think psych evals to COMPLIMENT drug testing may curb some of the 'mental illness' related violence we see? Would it be overstepping? Or another precaution seen like the drug test, for precaution sake?

I would not suggest private health history being disclosed, but an independent evaluator/evaluation from an accredited source, like the companies who are hired to do drug testing. It may make onboarding for a job longer, as I imagine it couldnt be reliably ascertained with ONE day, but would it maybe be worth it?

Just lead to a pandemic of people with “issues”. It’s already bad enough now with antidepressants being handed out like candy to everyone.
And you can be assured they will “find” issues cause if they didn’t there wouldn’t be a job for them.
Friends and family need to step up if someone is obviously disturbed or starting to “loose it” not mandatory testing, as it stands there are not enough professionals in the field to meet demand, straining Those resources further can only lead to more people slipping through the cracks.
That’s my thoughts
Also crazy people don’t often look for jobs where it would be useful to screan for

psych evals are new and , and if ya did ya would find out that most leaders are insane lol as well as on heavy drugs

psych evals i don't fully trust cause again the tech is new , 1 and 1 don't all ways make 2 <shrug>

<scratchs head> not sure if we still have crack head mayor in dc atm or not

uhm ya cant fix those that like to be broken , people on med's take them self's off all the time

as well as those in power would just pay the others off to ignore there testing / fake there test's .... or as most are exempt from them

and that's not even including the ones that could learn and beat the test or multi personality , etc etc etc

i could see company's doing it , if ya don't want to subject yourself to it , don't do it <shrug> its like the implant , ya don't want it , don't get a job where ya need it

would it help .....
maybe if they stop giving med's with know side affect's of causing mental illness , as well as voices in there heads etc etc etc ya might not be hearing a lot of the violence as well as those people wouldn't be leaving there med's in the water for others to pick up as well

Mandatory drug testing is rejected not because of the drugs but because of the mandatory. I know many non-user employees that get angry over drug testing.

There is mandatory psych testing done in many sensitive positions in a company.
When I tested for shop manager for a truck shop in a large corporation the test was worded with psych testing questions. I only knew this because I had previously been thru psych evals for the military.

I worked as a factory worker in my teens. I did pretty much the same thing hour by hour and day by day. There wasn't much need for decision making and I didn't really affect many people.
As a wrench, I needed to be able to think for myself on a lot of jobs. My decision making was important and did affect others.
As a manager, I needed to understand how my people think. I needed to know their different personalities and my decisions affected many people and the company.

There already exists a form of psych testing in schools and workplaces.
Friendship dynamics, student-teacher dynamics, worker-worker dynamics and worker-boss dynamics. Many of these evaluations come in the forms of performance assessments and grading or advancements.
We even perform mini assessments on the people we interact with on a daily basis.

What some people don't understand is that they really have no control over anyone elses behavior. It is always a personal discipline.
Drug testing isn't going to keep anyone from using drugs if that's what they want to do. Psych testing is not going to prevent deviant behavior if that is what they want to do.

Drug and psych testing is an assessment at best. Even if the results were published in public a person is going to do what they want no matter what.
Since the workplace and the school is only part of a person's daily life, the time away from the institution is basically their own.
The only control these institutions can have is while the person is there and that is only if they abide by the rules of that institution.


Worth what and to whom?

Makes me think of Pink Floyd's The Wall.

msharmony
seams some would say yes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6EeP-WKrdk
Scientists Want to Turn Consciousness On and Off Like a Light Switch

was the first video suggestion after commenting in this post last time
think ya might like it , little off topic , but runs somewhat the same lines
lots of info in that video

Many people with disorders learn to cope and adapt successfully on their own without treatment. Especially people with high intelligence. As a result, such people are much more difficult to diagnose. They are the ones who would slip through the cracks in any mandatory evaluation system. They are also the ones who would likely feel such a system is an invasion of privacy.

The real problem in the U.S. is access to quality behavioral and psychological treatment. There are many obstacles now. One is how much harder it is to institutionalize a person who desperately needs it. Insurance is another because some disorders are most quickly and most reliably detected using expensive brain scans. It also takes about 20 years for research advances to filter down into therapy practices. During that time, people who have struggled with poor treatment become jaded and resistant to pursuing and following through with newer, more effective treatments.

Another problem is that a person will only get from treatment what they themselves actually put into it. Many simply do not put the effort into making treatment work. Too many make excuses. For instance, some patients expect medication to be a magic bullet. Doctors who prescribe medication too quickly or who insist the patient remain on medication indefinitely only serve to reinforce this believe. Truth is that medication is only a tool to help make therapy easier. Active therapy is the long term solution. A patient who actively applies himself to therapy should be removed from medication in roughly 2 - 5 years. Many are not, and many just don't put in the effort.

Thank you dat, Psych has always been an interest of mine. I will definitely check it out.

Pretty accurate reply there


I had serious PTSD and that depression was suicidal.
Along with therapy and testing and drugs I had a successful recovery but I still check in with a councilor from time to time.
I was prescribed 3 different meds in my treatment and thru feedback and testing the doctor found the meds that I needed.
Those meds that worked along with therapy and my own determination were temporary and I have been off my Rx for 4 years now with no relapses.
I keep a "just in case" active Rx in my prescription ordering log in case I start to slip.
At one session (my last series of scheduled sessions) the doc told me she saw no need for therapy on a schedule but told me to call her if I felt I need to address anything.
I schedule a session around once a year just to make sure I'm staying clear-headed.
The majority of my treatment has been my own determination and the education to understand what was driving my depression. The doctor, drugs didn't heal me, I healed myself.
When a drug wasn't working, I made sure the doc knew it wasn't working and described why I felt it wasn't.
With the final drug, I felt the difference within 3 days. It was like my brain slowed down enough for me to have time to consider the thoughts and feelings I was experiencing.

I might be the exception to the norm. My doc might be the exception to the norm. I realized that the majority of the things I was feeling was casued by my own delusions, I started removing my delusions and life got easier to understand. Not everyone is willing to let go of their delusions. They're ingrained into you the moment you start to be able to reason.