In another thread, we tried to assess the president's job so far, based on if he was hired as an employee for my firm, or your business, or as anyone's employee. Picture this: I am told that a person I am interviewing is someone "who gets things done". I am told by the person he is being referred by that "If I hire a person , it's not because he speaks well or seems so nice but does a so-so job. I want to hire some one the expands my business so I can hire more people so they can make the company more money so I can hire more people to expand my business"

I thought this concept needed to be in it's own topic. "If Trump was YOUR direct employee in YOUR own business, would you keep him on?"

I am now into my 18th month of this guy on the job in my firm, and I am asking myself "was he a good hire, or not?"

What has this guy accomplished for my company? He came aboard with a lot of ideas (A reference to his "first 100 days promises" can be found here, as a reference just to the promises themselves, we can leave the editorial comments aside: https://www.npr.org/2017/04/24/520159167/trumps-100-day-action-plan-annotated) I see him taking credit for stuff that the last employee in his slot did during his tenure (jobs growth, recovering economy). Also, I see that the stuff he promised to take action on not being worked, yet my new employee tells me that the meters I was previously using are all "fake", and that I should believe HIM, not all of them, because he is doing a GREAT job. I worry about the new employee being unstable, saying the meters are all "out to get him". It is almost like that old Groucho Marx line "Who are you going to believe, ME, or your lying eyes?" My employee is blaming things like his tardiness and absenteeism on "the clocks are wrong" and "that calendar is incorrect".

Whenever I try to critique the employee, as a way of fostering constant improvement, he uses excuses for not getting a task done like "the last guy who had the job sucked", or "the other person who you were interviewing for this job is crooked". When I reply "yes, and the last person is gone, and we did not hire that other person, so blaming them is not important, and I need you to do YOUR job and stop talking about them", the employee can't drop the useless excuses, and takes to social media to ridicule me in front of whoever sees it, embarrassing me and degrading the image of my company.

My company has paid for extensive marketing research that business decisions are being based on, and this information is "sensitive business intelligence" that I don't want my competitors to see. I now have proof that this new employee is sharing it with my competitors, without my or my board of directors approval.

My new employee is ticking off some of my best customers, loyal buyers who have kept my company in business all these years, people who always pay on time and can be counted on in time of disaster. Good customers are tough to get, and if my new employee caused them to not trust my product anymore, is that helping or hurting my business?

My new employee then stirs up all this competition with a little mom-and-pop store down the street, one that is due to go out of business on its own soon. He then goes down, makes a big deal about meeting with them and says they have agreed to no longer compete with my company. The little company now tells everyone that in the meeting they made my company make consessions, and that the they told my lawyers and so forth to go blow smoke. The attention my employee gave the old mom-and-pop has breathed new life into their firm. Did my employee screw up? His actions had just the opposite effect he claimed he would, but he denies it.

Inside my company, my new employee promises he is going to greatly reduce the price for lunch in the cafeteria, and he is going to build a huge fitness center in the parking lot. My company can't afford to subsidize the cafeteria any more than we already are, and I have no money to build a health club. To do these things, I would have to borrow more money from the bank, and I have already enough outstanding loans as it is. He says I should get the other business on the block to pay for our health club, and he will tell that CEO to do so. The other CEO LAUGHS at him. But, my new employee has duped a small portion (@30%) of my other employees into thinking he is some kind of magician, and that he can get the health center built without my company having to do layoffs to pay for it. They are good employees, but clueless, and every company meeting devolves into shouting matches regarding the health center. The banks who hold my loans are seeing this non-attention to business, and I am wondering if they might call in the notes, taking possession of my company, effectively shuttering my business.

I had to warn my new employee that we are due to replace some members of the Board of Directors in November, and that they might not appreciate his lack of productive activity, and his rule-breaking. Instead of taking this advice as a warning, he warned ME that if I try anything to fire him, he will whip his friends up to riot.

Like I say, this is YOUR company, and you have to ask yourself: "Is this a good employee for MY company?"

That is not the function of the POTUS.
The POTUS is not the CEO of the United States.
The POTUS is meant to sort, stack and organize the product from all divisions so the company functions in unity.
He/She gets to know the inventory then organizes it so it is functional.
Since the inventory constantly changes, they need to be able to organize it so it functions effectively for the whole company.
They suggest different methods to get this done but the company has final say. They don't run the company.

This isn't Trump's United States.
It is the United States' Trump.

POTUS is supposed to submit all action plans to the company for consideration and the company then decides whether or not to put that plan into action. If the company declines, that action plan is not implemented.

If the company decides it wants all company buildings painted red.
It is the POTUS' job to make sure all the company buildings are painted red. It doesn't matter what he/she wants. They make sure they are painted red.
If he/she wants all the roads leading to the company's offices painted blue and submits an action plan that the company declines. He/She has no authority to paint any of the roads blue. If they start painting them blue anyway, that is dereliction of duty and they should be fired immediately.

The problem is not the POTUS, its the company.
The company has given their POTUS free reign to do as they please.
This causes turmoil in the company. It breaks the company's unity.
Since the function of POTUS is to promote company unity and the company is in turmoil, the current POTUS is not doing the job they were hired to do.

The problem is, the company has lost focus on the job description of the POTUS and are hiring individuals that are not qualified to do the job.
Then they are wondering why the company is in such turmoil.

What is needed is a training program for all of the company so when a new POTUS is hired, we hired the right person for the job.

Thanks Tom, but you missed the point.

If you had a company and you hired an empty suit like Trump, How would you feel with him destroying YOUR business?

He IS the CEO, and answers to the stockholders (taxpayers) and the Board (Congress)

But i never said he was CEO of MY company, I said i hired him as an employee who "looked good on paper" and "came well recommended"

I was told in the threads here by a Trump supporter that "If I hire a person , it's not because he speaks well or seems so nice but does a so-so job. I want to hire some one the expands my business so I can hire more people so they can make the company more money so I can hire more people to expand my business" This was their standard for Trump. Their argument, not mine.

Okay, No worries.

What is happening with our government is exactly why we have the second amendment.
"We the People" have given the government too much of our power.
Most people "think" it is the job of a government elected person to run whatever it is they are elected to represent.
The way its supposed to work is that person organizes and implements the policies and changes "We the People" determine, not the other way around, like it is now.
We the People's complacency has caused the government to gain too much power over the people.

It shouldn't be Trump did this, Obama did that.
It should be We the People did this and Trump, Obama, Clinton, Bush and all the rest made it happen.

When POTUS stands on the world stage, he is speaking on behalf of We the People to the world. If he is not saying the right words (not representing all the people), he is not speaking for We the People so he is derelict in the job he was elected to do.

The United States of America has UNITED in the title.
We are anything but United.
To represent the USA requires only representing the Unity of all citizens and right now, there is no unity of all citizens.
Our nation is in turmoil and it reflects in our choice of who we elect to represent us.
POTUS is not the problem, he is a symptom of a larger problem.

We the People have lost focus on our Unity.
IMO, this is caused by our need for instant gratification and gaining the golden ring for personal glory.
We have lost our neighborhoods and our sense of family as a whole.
Our communities are populated by individuals.
Hell, we don't even attend our town meetings anymore.
Its sad to say but only in the face of disaster do we unite and even then, we look for someone to blame when recovery isn't handed to us.

A lot of people are are content to just complain and few are willing to actually do something about the problems we face.
As long as they get their piece of the pie, nothing else matters.
Its an "I want it all right now" state of mind.

The ONLY time anyone pays attention to what the government is doing or not doing is when it directly affects their pie.

Trump will go down in history as the POTUS that tried to force his policies on We the People.
For some reason, we think that one person in power over us is going to fix things, never stopping to understand that it is We the People in Unity that made our nation great.

Our turmoil won't stop until our citizens unite again.

Three quotes that kind of sum up Trump for me (and what he thinks of his base):

" I said, 'Wrong, Justin, you do.' I didn't even know. ... I had no idea. I just said, 'You're wrong.' You know why? Because we're so stupid. …"

"And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything."

"I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters."



logic doesn't penetrate that kind of insanely blind loyalty.

I take it your memory doesn't go back ten years when your "Messiah" was elected? I've never heard Trump called a Messiah before...

lol ... Im not talking things people say about the POTUS, frankly I dont recall hearing anyone call Obama a Messiah, but I cant say that NO ONE Ever did, because people say all sorts of things about other people.

But Im talking about the things the POTUS says about himself and his base.

did you personally hear him say these things? I haven't...if he did, I'm sure it's on the web somewhere, maybe when you have time you could post a few of these samples?

you're really going there? okay.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFqCJfUKlls
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhsSzIS84ks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps0GUGe6owk

just checking...last I heard, you couldn't stand the sound of his voice, but seem to know everything he says... Just seemed a bit odd

lots of things I cant stand but it doesnt stop them from happening.