Lets see, I could go into a lengthy spill on the dynamics of low self-esteem and martyrdom but right now I just don't feel like typing.
So yup, yer right.
Also I have to agree that anyone can do as they please, think as they wish and have any delusions they want to try to deal with the mess they made in their lives.
All I'm sayin is I don't buy it, can't relate to that mindset.

I'm a man that doesn't need to act like a man, The only thing I need to act like, is me.

MGTOW aka MJTOR figure it out..

They don't whine and complain when they notice he's a douchebag , they've known all along he was a douchebag!
Because 'nice guys are boring'.
They whine and complain when they realise the douchebag won't be controlled and manipulated anymore.
And the "douchebags that caused feminazis" aren't around anymore.
Feminism has been around for a 160 years. It had its purpose and it was a noble one but for the past 40 years it's become an extremist destructive ideology for men AND women, pushing good men to the fringes of society and causing women to be more miserable than ever before.

Maybe what we're seeing is a society that is becoming less male dominated and this is just the transitionary period to society becoming more equal..and women are finally finding their voice where it was once suppressed..sure there's going to be the good and the bad but that can be expected until we reach an even keel..But for those who have been abused it's good to see they are being heard after so long..jmo

I guess the sandwich making days are over...

women should also realise what they have done and they say shorry

I prefer picking up and moving on to whining and complaining, but from my own experiences and those of friends, most douchebags don’t exactly advertise they’re douchebags until they’re tired of playing the good guy act they used to win the girl over. It can even take years for his true douchebag to emerge. I imagine the same can be said for men who think they have a sweet girlfriend only to find her turning into a jealous, materialistic, nagging shrew over time. It’s no different.

Well said!!!

Thanks Toody. I know very few people (women or me) who haven’t found themselves in a kind of relationship they “didn’t sign up for.”

We're way beyond 'sorry' at this point.
The breakdown in women-men relations is now systemic and the Gender War will not end with a 'sorry'. There's been too many victims on both sides and too many young witnesses who are now aware that they will be discriminated and hurt only because of their gender.

huh..how come I can see their a douchebag before they even talk, and it takes women lots, lots longer? If the chick is hot, we can tolerate it for a while...if she's hot and giving it up, way, way longer...

in short, I see it as just continuation on the war against the design of family

against the idea of marriage as husband and wife, and either needing the other.

against the idea of being father and mother and children deserving to have both

against the idea of females as nurturing partners and males as providing/protecting partners

against the idea that sex is intimate activity for committed partners

with fewer expectations comes more chaos, and I only see it growing(The culture of no expectation)

who started that war?... Hint, it wasn't conservatives...

Maybe diuchebags don’t have to put on the nice guy act to get a date with you?

There are probably women who know their guy is a douche and put up with it for the same reasons you say men do. ..for awhile.

abolitionists, liberals, republicans, women ... take your pick of label ...

perhaps it was the economy that led to the break down of the nuclear family as we knew it..or it could be the fact that women started finding their voice in a male dominated society ventured out to start their own businesses becoming less dependent on the male dominated society..

Maybe it was like back in the day when the man left and females found that as they attempted to get jobs the only skills they had was being a housewife and finding themselves destitute..so we saw the evolution of women in the work force..

Or it could be that maybe women just got tired of men's chit said to hell with going through the same thing they saw their mothers go through and said screw that chit and entered into the workforce in a major way so they wouldn't find themselves one day in the same position they saw their mothers in

could be anyone of these a culmination of many things or none at all..danged if I know I just come here to guess and try to sound half intelligent while I do it..

I'm gonna simplfy this down for you guys.

You all say you don't like crazy women (the kind that do the stuff you described) but yet you always end up with them.

If you're honest with yourself you'll realize you actually like the crazy.

and it could be the rebranding of gender roles as being 'domination' because of men who chose to bully instead of cherish

or a society that 'allowed' men to walk away from their financial responsibilty or demonized women from having social assistance when men chose to leave.



I think the list of possibilities is long, truly, but at the root, the breakdown in the belief in upholding the design of the family being replaced with the belief in personal ambitions and pleasure. (on the part of men choosing to walk away from commitment and responsibility as well as women)

Something I learned from the in depth study of history, is that EVERYTHING has a far deeper and older historical cause to it than most people want to admit.

It's like noticing that a domino has fallen over in front of you, and looking to see what domino caused that one to fall. The process of looking at the previous domino is always a long one, unless you are dishonest or some form of insistently self-delusional.

When it comes to any of the modern day "plagues" we see, especially things like this subject area, anyone who tells you it started recently and came out of nowhere, is at best, fooling themselves.

What I've come to expect, because I do find it EVERY TIME, is that if there is a "solution" which you intensely dislike, being proposed for pretty much anything, it's ALWAYS the case that there is a real problem with the thing, which the existing processes are not addressing.

In short, people don't call for big changes to be made, when everything is okay. They do it when there is a big problem. And the number one way to insure that a BAD solution will be chosen, is to deny that the problem is real, and thereby maintain it.

Simple example, Communism with all of it's flaws, was only invented and pushed forward, because capitalism was causing massive problems which the people in charge at the time, refused to address.

Similarly, Women's Liberation, and Feminism came into being, because the previous societal structure was failing to address actual problems in these areas.

Example, the reason why many states set up divorce laws which give half of everything to each person, only came into being because before that, many men in particular were simply deserting their wives, WITH their children, and walking away. If you want to come up with a better system, by all means do, but if all you want to do is to declare that all women who argue for women's equality and rights are plotting to destroy the American Family systems, then you will accomplish nothing positive.

I am a fix it person by trade. I know well, that nothing gets fixed while people claim that everything is okay. And things get even worse, if your favorite reaction to being told that there is a problem, is to attack the people who are telling you so, then everything will get VASTLY worse.