he never lied. he amitted to "not knowingly taking enhancing substance"

any how.. steroids have been around for along time. because times change it easily apperant to point someone out who has used them or test for them now. if bonds doesnt make the HOF are we going to go back in pull everyone esles name from the HOF who we appearantly thought was using? if it wasnt for these drugs Sports Entertainment wouldnt be anything today.

how the heck can you NOT KNOW you're taking steroids???

steroids can be adminster in many ways. do you know what they are?

do i know what what are?the ways they can be given?i just know of the shots and the pills

cool.. creams as well.

do i believe he knew what he was taking, of course! why would anyone put anything in there body they didnt research. everyone is calling him a lair, but he didnt lie. thats the point i am try to make.

if he knew what he was taking but he said he didn't,that's being a liar

lol im not sayin he did bro.. but yea commonsense would say he did.. but no-one knows the truth.. i could careless if he knew or not. but you cant say he lied based on what we believe right?


like i said b4 professional sports wouldnt be shi* if it werent for steroids.

personally sports would be better without them because you could truly see if the person is good or not.hell right now you don't know who's taking them and who isn't,so it's hard to say if a players is actually good or if it's due to steroids.

Bonds is a cheater. Look at his body ten years ago how skinny it was? Look at the HR numbers he has put up as a player in his 40s. I saw him at Fenway Park on June 16th and it looked like his head was going to explode. I hope that he does get exposed for what he truely is. Put an asterisk on that ball!

Barry Bonds has become a Home Run King -- but not because he's got the natural ability, he's not really breaking or setting a record -- he's STEALING IT. And people -- owners, managers, other players and FANS -- are letting him do it! Just how hungry for big numbers should we be? Sure big numbers are exciting -- but should we not be safeguarding the integrity of the game? These numbers - the numbers used to record the history of baseball - need to remain real; these stats need to have a consistent baseline of valid human ability and endeavor. We need to love the game and the tradition and the story of the game, so that the game will continue to live and contribute to our lives. I need baseball to anchor my summers: The Big Red Machine, Coors Field, The Big Cat -- these are the names and the places and stories that watermark the pages on which I'm writing my life; the day Tom Browning pitched the first perfect game in the history of the Reds -- I heard this on the radio, it is a part of me. Eric Davis played centerfield the summer my first son was born.

Barry Bonds is not contibuting to the story of the game, he's usurping it, hijacking it for his own personal glory. It's a desecration and it's heartbreaking. The Emperor Is Naked, People!! Sheesh! I will never be able to acknowledge it as a true baseball accomplishment. I will always have a little disclaimer in my heart saying, "yeah, but he was on steroids when he did that, so even though Bonds has the "official" record, the REAL record is held by Hank Aaron (or Pete Rose or whoever did it without frankensteining themselves)."

I'm done. :)

Hank Aaron had the most HRs, Pete Rose has the most hits and Bonds is closing on that record as well. The Mitchell report is out and Bonds was on the list along with some other big names (Clemens). Bonds cheated, there is many who say it, but now that this report has come out so did many others. What I don't like is the fact Bonds denies it completely (or didn't KNOW) even though players and other MLB personell say he did it. Just say you did it, okay?

bsg,

I agree wholeheartedly. You also write beautifully. Writing standards seem to have drifted south in recent history. Kudos to you for not only having the talent, but to actually using it too.

My comment:
The Babe hit 60 and 714 while eating hot dogs, drinking beer, smoking cigars and chasing skirts til all hours of the night. Can you imagine what his numbers would be if he had taken the Bonds route?

if thay let bonds in they should put pete rose in

I know that Bonds is closing in on Pete Rose's hits record -- btw, Pete Rose ROCKS! -- and I am afraid that Bonds will steal that record also. Damn, this really irritates me, this disregard for the story of the game -- the way Bonds and other frankensteins like him are stripping the meaning from the stats. Baseball IS stats, not action. Don't get me wrong, baseball in motion is a beautiful thing (Rockies' defense is poetry in motion!), but the story is recorded and told in stats and the frankensteins are stripping it all away, morphing the game along with their bodies, into something not-quite-familiar.

We should honor the history of the game and guard the legacy as well. These frankensteins are skewing the stats, the story. At the very least, they're taking away the "Who's the better player?" game -- where you try to decide if some player from the past is as good or better than some present-day player. The playing field is no longer level across the decades.

And I agree that Bonds needs to give up on his "I didn't know" crap -- of course he knew. He wants us all to ignore the fact that, as a professional athelete, he would have been hyper-aware of what was going into his body -- his living depends on his health and ability to perform. He knew exactly what was going on.

Hank Aaron hit 755 HRs without steroids, on natural ability alone. Bonds could not have done it without the steroids. It's infuriating.

you are a cool chick

Bonds also needs to cut out that crap since he is "black" they are singling him out. Mitchell report? ROGER CLEMENS IS WHITE YOU MORON, along with a whole slew of others.

Huh? He's closing in on that record at about the same rate the continents are drifting apart.

Pete Rose had 4256 hits; Bonds has 2935. Rose is 1321 hits ahead of him.

Bonds has accumulated his hit total over 22 seasons. This means he is averaging 133.41 hits per season. At this rate, he will need to play another ten seasons, AND stay healthy enough to maintain his career average in hits per season, to catch Rose.

At his age, with all his physical problems, I find this scenario highly unlikely. Even moreso if he's locked up for part of those ten years.

Good catch -- love the math. :) Thanks for pointing out the logic in the situation.

He should be recognized for it. After all he didnt abuse his whole career. Im sure many of you have notice when every someone breaks a record the league automatically looks into regulation enhanced bats or steroids. Hes been in the league for years and deserves to be inducted. Im not saying I agree with his abuse, but Im just saying some players are better than others and with or with out drugs hes a darm good player.

Below is a list of every guy who hit 500. Can you imagine what the non-juiced guys numbers would be if they were juiced? To equate Bonds' juiced total with Hank, The Babe and Willie's legitimate totals is ludicrous.



Rank Player (age) Home Runs Bats
1. Barry Bonds* (42) 762 L
2. Hank Aaron+ 755 R
3. Babe Ruth+* 714 L
4. Willie Mays+ 660 R
5. Sammy Sosa (38) 609 R
6. Ken Griffey* (37) 593 L
7. Frank Robinson+ 586 R
8. Mark McGwire 583 R
9. Harmon Killebrew+ 573 R
10. Rafael Palmeiro* 569 L
11. Reggie Jackson+* 563 L
12. Mike Schmidt+ 548 R
13. Mickey Mantle+# 536 B
14. Jimmie Foxx+ 534 R
15. Willie McCovey+* 521 L
16. Ted Williams+* 521 L
17. Alex Rodriguez (31) 518 R
18. Frank Thomas (39) 513 R
19. Ernie Banks+ 512 R
20. Eddie Mathews+* 512 L
Rank Player (age) Home Runs Bats
21. Mel Ott+* 511 L
22. Jim Thome* (36) 507 L
23. Eddie Murray+# 504 B