two systems which seek to aide others based upon the financial power of the group they are born into,,,,


yes?

I thought nepotism was doing favours for friends, like getting them a job even if someone else is more qualified.

I would say yes to that one. Not sure what the other one actually is.

In business, it should be by skill, not because you belong to a certain group or a family member of the boss.. etc. I think that either way, you can demoralized the other employees as they may think why work harder or try harder, I am not related or in a certain group.
Of course there are exceptions to that. Where people have medical issues that may require something to assist them.
Just a thought.. have a great day.

you are right joethebricky, it happens most amongst those with money or financial status of some sort,,,



An example is the President putting his family members in all of these political positions,,,that would be nepotism, they get 'favored' for knowing him or being part of his 'circle'


in america Affirmative action is the name given to policies and/or laws that aim to assist the previously excluded or oppressed demographics,,


Affirmative Action is a program of positive action, undertaken with conviction and effort to overcome the present effects of past practices, policies, or barriers to equal employment opportunity and to achieve the full and fair participation of women, minorities and individuals with disabilities found to be underutilized in the workforce based on availability.

The purpose of affirmative action is to establish fair access to employment opportunities to create a workforce that is an accurate reflection of the demographics of the qualified available workforce in the relevant job market. Affirmative Action policies and programs are tools whereby additional efforts are made to recruit, hire and promote qualified women, minorities and individuals with disabilities.


it helps those who are not in the networks to benefit from 'nepotisim',,,,

I see, we have something similar here although I couldn't for the life of me think of what they call it. So I Googled it.
Employment equality law.

One seems unfair, nepotism, the other seems fairer to the masses.

Sounds logical Joe, the department that overlooks equality in employment here is also called the EEOC or Equal Employment Opportunity Commission

my mom served on it for a big chunk of my child hood.

IMO some try to better things but get ahot down

Cronyism is more prevalent today. Which is worse, Nepotism or Cronyism?

thats like asking which is healther, fruits or peaches,,

same family pretty much,,,

thats like asking which is healther, fruits or peaches,,

same family pretty much,,,

or, apples and oranges

I can understand the idea of affirmative action, and I am sure there are many people and businesses that have used it to their benefit.
But, this brings the question to mind.. is there a failing in the educational system that lets people fall behind to such an extent that we need government intervention by the time they are ready for employment? There will always be people who will think, a woman belongs in the kitchen, not my office, or no way to that religion or race. Yes, we need laws to balance the playing field for times like that. My thought.. why are whole groups being left out?
Have a great day.

I'd say it happens in the upper circles but very much so in things like the construction industry /factory workers, "I have a mate who can do that "

I'd say that Affirmative Action and nepotism aren't even slightly related. One is a political program, and the other is a corrupt practice by individuals who manage to gain access to power, and abuse it.

Affirmative Action isn't aimed at the people TO BE EMPLOYED. It targets EMPLOYERS. It's a very complicated and controversial ATTEMPT to deal with various concerns.

Nepotism isn't aimed at anything, or attempting to accomplish any end past enriching the nepotists' family at the expense of the people who put the nepotist into power.

point taken Igor

I frame the perspective in my post from countless discussions with people who complain about affirmative action but seem perfectly comfortable with the system of built in 'benefits' and opportunities that merely being born into a certain gender or race or family has afforded so many people,,,

If you're attempting equalization, why "vs." rather than "and" or "=".

Other than that, "no."

Nepotism isn't really a "system," and isn't necessarily done in order to "aide" the person being hired.
Although (assuming you actually mean "aid" rather than "aide") anything that causes any type of positive benefit could be considered "aid." e.g. "I hired my g/d dumb as rocks nephew so my sister in law would stop complaining to my wife who complains to me," could be considered "aid" if it reduced his wife's (and therefore his) stress levels.

There is a government "system" in place to facilitate "affirmative action," but "affirmative action" isn't really a "system" either.

Not to mention, the "financial power of the group they are born into" isn't all that relevant to either term.


Affirmative action tends to be top down government enforced (government ultimately = violent force) against culture, increasing costs and risks.
"Built in 'benefits' and opportunities" tend to be organically grown from culture, a bottom up process that is reinforced as it offers practical benefits offsetting risks and costs.

IME a lot of people that whine about "built in 'benefits' and opportunities" another group or culture has tends to only focus on the benefits the whiner desires or values (not to mention being completely oblivious to any cultural risks assumed or costs demanded for such benefits or opportunities).

e.g. "women want the right to vote (for JFK because he's handsome)! we want equality! we want equal pay! rarrrr! (sotto voce) shhh...shhh...don't press very hard for selective service or draft duty, c'mon, shut up back there...who said they want to be a plumber? eww...no one, okay, then don't bring it up, we want special gender grants for law schools and shyt...go militant for maternity or child leave, don't say a word when men want it for their kids, screw them...and stfu about legalizing prostitution, they're our bodies when pregnant at 12 and want to keep the baby, but we don't really want a bunch of whores running around selling their bodies that are theirs but not if they aren't going to use them for what we want them to."

Its not what you know, but who you know? Its not what you know, but the color of your skin, your gender, and your sexual preference? If my grandpa started a business that my father took over should I not be allowed to run it? If my brother has a good job and the companies hiring and he puts in a good word for me should I not be hired? That is unless I'm black and they need to fill their minority quota? I try not doing work with family or friends because if there is a problem someone always feels screwed over.

Definition of versus for English Language Learners
—used to indicate two different things, choices, etc., that are being compared or considered

but it is never so simple, because it can be many things INCLUDING who you know, knowing certain people or being a certain race , gender, or religion do not in any way mean that you also do not also have knowledge, ,but when so many people have knowledge, it is hard to argue that there has to be SOME other factors that play into a decision of whom to choose

being allowed to work and being the preferred candidate are different issues,,,


it is a definite unearned benefit to 'know' the right people that can put in a good word for you,,,,,,so why not have a system of the 'right' people that can put in a good word for those who have been left out previously with no chance of getting that benefit of the doubt?

I suspected as much. I suggest for your consideration as a strategy, to explain that the EXACT DETAILS of how one goes about trying to deal with a problem are separate from whether or not the problem is real, and needs to be addressed. With respect to the attempt to deal with the real historic and ongoing problems that racism causes for our society, Affirmative Action is a small label for a VERY large collection of EXPERIMENTS which we have been conducting, in order to try to find the right mix of partial solutions.

Some of those experimental "fixes" are like medicines that have horrid side effects, even as they do help with the disease you take them for. Some are more like medicines which seemed to make sense, but turn out to be ineffective, or even to cause new problems. However, the fact that some given aspect of the overall solution can be "challenging," that doesn't mean that the original problem is either imaginary, or is preferable to continuing to try to defeat it.