The Fall
3 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”

2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”

4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.



,,,this passage comes to mind for me quite often in modern times,,,it exemplifies the crafty way that MORAL wrong(sin) can be rationalized for the pleasure of the flesh

I believe that the CREATOR has vast knowledge beyond what the creation could ever understand especially concerning matters of the spirit. I believe the creation has allowed matters of the flesh to be prioritized to the point of making matters of the spirit either extinct or to be determined by the creation, instead of the creator.

In this passage, God clearly had an understanding that his creation would not grasp in terms of eternal(spiritual) life, and instructed them clearly. Yet, because the flesh was curious and tempted, it took little rationalization for his creation to actually interpret Gods warning as something neutral or even as a recommendation.

notice the pattern, it is so similar to so many of the modern issues of morality we face today

1. Did God REALLY say that? (How often do we quibble over what a scripture REALLY means or if the bible REALLY says this that or the other, usually when it comes to restraint or discipline that will deny the flesh what it wants?)

2. If you eat from it, you will be like God, being like God is good.( How many times do we use 'logic' to make something forbidden into something that is actually a good thing instead. Specifically the concepts of being 'happy' or feeling 'love' are used to rebrand what is forbidden)

its not for the weak willed to try to walk the straight line, we are all flawed humans, but this is food for thought when we are determining whether our 'logic' in biblical interpretation is motivated by pleasing God or by pleasing our Flesh....

My grandmother always said the devil can quote scripture for his purpose. It is up to each person to follow their moral compass. Or hope that compass works.

If the flower is directed to me, I thank you very much.

n this passage, God clearly had an understanding that his creation would not grasp in terms of eternal(spiritual) life, and instructed them clearly. Yet, because the flesh was curious and tempted, it took little rationalization for his creation to actually interpret Gods warning as something neutral or even as a recommendation.

Yet they were kicked out of the garden because of the Tree of life I believe.

Gen 3:22  And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: 
Gen 3:23  Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. 
Gen 3:24  So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life. 


The Tree of life seems to of been what Yahshua spoke of.

Rev_2:7  He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
Rev_22:2  In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
Rev_22:14  Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Paradise

Mar 14:22  And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake it, and gave to them, and said, Take, eat: this is my body. 
Mar 14:23  And he took the cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them: and they all drank of it. 
Mar 14:24  And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many. 
Mar 14:25  Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God. 

Grasping Eternity is a hard thing to concieve unless we become as children and Be Born again

thank you

the tree of life could provide eternal life
the tree of knowledge of good and evil provided spiritual death,perhaps God could have branded it the tree of death instead (but God doesn't really do branding, just justice and truth)


only the latter was forbidden until the disobedience/sin, when the former also became forbidden to them,,,


is my understanding

Does it not show that the woman easily succumbs to temptation?

yep,if in doubt,blame the Woman!
Been like that from time immemorial!

it shows both man and woman can rationalize sin to fulfill the flesh and/or ego,,,

Adam did not question Eve he just did as she was doing. Reminds me of Samson. Even though she lies he just overlooks it.

Jdg 16:4  And it came to pass afterward, that he loved a woman in the valley of Sorek, whose name was Delilah. 
Jdg 16:5  And the lords of the Philistines came up unto her, and said unto her, Entice him, and see wherein his great strength lieth, and by what means we may prevail against him, that we may bind him to afflict him: and we will give thee every one of us eleven hundred pieces of silver. 
Jdg 16:6  And Delilah said to Samson, Tell me, I pray thee, wherein thy great strength lieth, and wherewith thou mightest be bound to afflict thee. 
Jdg 16:7  And Samson said unto her, If they bind me with seven green withs that were never dried, then shall I be weak, and be as another man. 
Jdg 16:8  Then the lords of the Philistines brought up to her seven green withs which had not been dried, and she bound him with them. 
Jdg 16:9  Now there were men lying in wait, abiding with her in the chamber. And she said unto him, The Philistines be upon thee, Samson. And he brake the withs, as a thread of tow is broken when it toucheth the fire. So his strength was not known. 
Jdg 16:10  And Delilah said unto Samson, Behold, thou hast mocked me, and told me lies: now tell me, I pray thee, wherewith thou mightest be bound.

Interesting how Delilah deceives Samson then calls him a liar. Sounds familiar in todays society.

Well it was a lot easier before the Samaritans invented writing....it was only smoke and shadows on the cave wall....

You know what they say..."If God didn't exist, man would have to invent him."

As for the rest of it, they are just reprints of reprints....at least the cave paintings were originals...