Good afternoon my beautiful family of M2, today in Philly its sunny mid 80's and everybody in a awesome mood. Shouts out to all the people who responded on my last forum on " Your Favorite Rock N' Roller", you guys are awesome, keep voicing in my cyber mansion. Now, we had some fun, now its time for me to get controversial again, yes its about that time. Okay, America, I 'm quite sure you all been reading the papers about this case of this officer Jeronimo Yanez during a routine stop to Mr. Castile warned officer Yanez " I do have a firearm on me". Officer Yanez told Castile " Ok, don't reach for it then & don't pull it out!" Then the officer shoots Mr. Castile and killing him. Castile's death was shared worldwide on social media. Even his girlfriend Diamond Reynolds, live streamed the aftermath of the shooting on Facebook because she said she wanted to make sure the truth was known. Okay, the real problem here once again its about prejudices & fear. South Carolina officer Michael Slager who is white, shot a black motorist Walter Scott in the back as he fled away. The kicker, well Officer Slager pleaded guilty in may to a federal charge of violating Mr. Scott's civil rights the judge will determine his sentence, which could range from probation to live sentence in prison without parole. So America, let's talk about this , what do you think? you all know how I feel about it, yes I smell a rat, there for its racism at its highest peek. But I want to hear from you all.

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Thank You EyeAmYourHost39

Yea, kinda weird she kept the video going as her boyfriend was dying.
The cops were looking for a couple in a robbery matching their description. Too bad the boyfriend could not follow the officers
clear command. He would still be alive.

Alleoops,


yeah it was a great shame. I think the police training manuals should be rewritten to prevent officers for going rogue during patrolling. the real sad thing that that officer probably get a leant consequence.

The guy was armed and they warned him! What more do you expect? The cops doing their jobs to be shot? Cops go based on the call and the guy was armed. If the girlfriend cared, why would she video the whole thing. I know I know. All cops are the big bad

YellowRose48,

Yes but he was telling the cop I am licensed to carry, and the cop shot him. why react before he pulled out his license?

Yes, but that doesn't mean he has one. Did he really have one?
If he had one, they teach to OBEY the officer not pull your gun out.

In Milwaukee a few months ago, Syville Smith was pursued, he ran out of the car, holding a gun, he came to a fence, and threw the gun down, and tried to jump the fence, couldn't do it, picked up the gun, and was shot and killed. Which touched off 2 nights of burning and rioting, looting. The Jury found the black Police officer, not guilty. From the time the Police officer got out of the car,and chased Syville, until he shot, was 12 seconds. The entire shooting time, lasted 1.6 seconds. Syville had a long arrest record. The Officer had a camera on him. If the perp, drops the gun, and obey's the Police officer, as Syville did before when he was arrested for carrying a concealed weapon, he would be alive. The problem is when the person, does not do what the officer says, to control the situation. I am not familiar with the Philly shooting. I have a CCW permit. I keep my hands on the steering wheel, and ask the Officer " what can I do to comply". And I leave my hands on the wheel, and do what he says, veeeeeerrrrryyyyyy slowly. While the officer comes up , I already have my wallet on the dash. Then he can see what I am reaching for, with whatever hand he tells me to grab it with. I am not obligated to tell the officer that I am carrying though.
" Eyeamyourhost" I welcome this dialogue that you are having. From my point of view, the worst crime is in the black areas. The cops go where the crime is so they come into more contact with criminals, or situations where crime is.

It all comes down to poor police training, cops who are scared to death, and too many guns out on our streets.

I agree with motown on this one EyeAm.

the problem is we are talking about DEATH here. It is the lives of citizens in the hands of police where any 'reasonable fear' justifies those police ending the lives of citizens.

the problem is that citizens have the RIGHT to carry firearms and it is 'reasonable' to fear someone with a firearm.

the problem is how quickly this can all go down over the 'perception' of someone not listening to order (fast enough anyhow),, and how much time do they have to 'obey'? one second? two seconds? Three seconds? what if they are stressed or nervous in the presence of authoritarian police or police with their guns out?

does mere hesitation justify the ending of their lives?

it is not an easy solution when we allow guns and also allow cops to end lives over 'reasonable fear' that often translates into the mere hesitation to 'follow orders'


and if a lone cop feels they may have potential robbers, shouldn't their be a protocol to approach with BACK UP?

I do not get why this had to happen , except for the same tired excuse of death for disobedience or for being too slow to action/inaction

in any case, that officer is responsible for the life he took , and if he had any conscience, that will be a heavy burden on him for the rest of his life...

Alleoops,

true. even if he didn't have a gun , he still didn't deserve to be gunned down like he did. to me that's not enough cause to justify killing him.

Taurusman54,

Welcome to my cyber mansion. wow! I bet that was a huge scary mess. it must of been like watching the riots of Detroit all over again. Here's my problem with rioting. I love peoples passion when it comes of mass anger but why do you have to burn or tear down your own neighborhoods. just like the riots in L.A. I was out in los angeles during that time and black & brown people looting & burning up their own neighborhoods

On police training;

We had another situation in Milwaukee a while back.
A mentally disturbed man was hanging around a downtown park.
An officer approached the man and contrary to procedure started to "pat" the man down. The man resisted and ended up taking the officers baton away from him. The officer then shot the man fourteen times killing him.

Police training;

1. The officer did not follow procedure when first encountering the man. And he was not trained in dealing with mentally disturbed people or in how to de-escalate such situations.

2. The officer obviously was not well trained in self defense tactics, (he was over powered by an average sized man and had his baton taken away from him).

3. The officer shot the man FOURTEEN TIMES, unloading the magazine into him. Obviously the officer "freaked" and just kept firing until his weapon was empty.

MotownDownton,

Welcome to my cyber home, you are absolutely right. they need to rewrite the police training books so these incidents wouldn't happen. when you tell people that they don't get it.

Ms. Harmony,

Hey you, I get what you 2 talking about but carrying a gun legally don't make you a criminal or motive to commit crime. its just means you exercising your 2nd amendment. Just like if you legally carry a gun you want to be safe walking down the street.

MotownDowntown,

Once again I agree with you. Some may debate especially if they are law enforcement or knows someone in law but us citizens see it differently.

Hey 39!! What up bro!
Good topic. I saw the video. The cop was at fault. I have a CCP, and I carry. In New Mexico and Texas the procedure is you hand your paperwork to the cop and your permit. Hands on your steering wheel. They ask very calmly, do you have your weapon on you? You say yes. They say, no problem, step out and we will check you. You step out, tell them it's an appendix carry. They take it. Now, it's just a traffic stop. Once they are done running your info through the data bases. The will ask you to come to the back of your vehicle. The clip has been removed from your weapon and they say, thank you for being professional and cooperative. It puts them at ease when you follow the procedure to carry a concealed firearm.
Then again Texas and New Mexico is one of the last places of constitutional Americans and common sense. Anyway, I hope this helps to show you the proper police reaction.

RobXbox73,

Hey welcome back, I like the fact you brought facts about law enforcement. I have several guns & rifles. I am license hunter in the state of Pennsylvania. Thank god I never was frisked or pulled over with my guns on me. I try to bring political controversy, what that means is the topics I bring people will agree, disagree , and flat out hate and love it. please keep posting, I want to hear more.

EyeAmYourHost39,

Have A Cup Of My Hot Tea With A Slice Of Controversy Part 26!


My Weekly Rant.....Retrain Officers!

Okay, its been a while I ranted about a issue. I agree with a few of my " Vocal Avengers" when the mention of retrain can be an option. Let's face it America, most of those training tactics is far ancient. Cops have to be trained on not just how to handle legal gun owners but sensitivity training as well. I understand if those who have law enforcement in their families, friends, or even loved ones but the mess that's going on lately with cops is inexcusable. It shades a bad light on those officers who are truly doing there jobs the right way. Because you took a police oath, you as the good cop have to turn your head on the bad ones actions. Is about to be a war between civilians & law enforcement soon. Mark my words. People especially black people are getting tired of seeing our children, our young people, our men & women being victims to a country that will allow such actions. Suppose one day we fire back? Suppose one day the chickens will come home to roost and you get the same treatment you inflict on others. See I believe in this little thing called Karma. That **** will come back on you wicked officers. Now I'm turn the tables, America, you shouldn't be surprise, like it or not most cops are part of the KKK, or at least affiliated with them. Your judges are too. So knowing it or not its all by design. I'm tell you, I value all life but if you cops ever decide to make me or my girl and children a victim, so help me god I kill you dead with my firearms and my swords. I will not allow you bad officers to play this sick game of thrones with me & mines. I pray for those who were victims of harsh brutality but I'm from Germany, I'm naturally a guerilla warfare type of guy. don't get me wrong, if you a criminal and you want to play hero, then you have to deal with the punishment how ever it comes. But if you like me a law bidding citizen not at any threat then leave them alone and arrest some real criminals we all know who they are just to name one okay, the C.I.A!

BUT he did have a Gun!

So,if a Cop shoots an armed,possibly dangerous,not complying with orders,Suspect,he is automatically Rogue?
SHEESH!