Topic: President Bill Clinton ... Not Guilty !
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Sun 10/02/16 02:44 PM
subsequently declared not guilty (acquitted) of all the charges

Being acquitted doesn't mean they didn't do it.

Ask O.J. Simpson.

do you really believe if he was not cleared and clean of all charges ...Hilary would even run for President

I have no idea.
Pure speculation but I think a likely scenario would be if he wasn't acquitted she divorces him and convenience beard marries someone else that offers a road to power.

I think its absolutely ridiculous women are held accountable for their husbands choices anyway,,,,

What examples can you give?
I don't remember Michelle being held accountable for Obama's lies or choices (just her own). And that would be something easily promoted by the media.

I don't remember Laura or Barbara Bush being held accountable for the Iraq wars.

I don't remember Nancy Reagan being held accountable for Iran Contra.

I don't remember Rosalynn Carter being held accountable for Iran hostages.

I don't remember Pat Nixon being held accountable for leaving the gold standard.

never see this scrutiny with men about their wives choices,,,,its pretty preposterous

Maybe you are seeing part of the new double standard between men and women?
Like, men are irresponsible stupid lying dog players that only want sex.

Like the current zeitgeist is women don't need men.
Independent, powerful, can have it all, and do anything.
Behind every successful man is a good woman (and there are many examples of husbands giving credit to their wives/family for their own positive choices or success).
Behind every successful woman...is her own strength to get ahead, her struggles, and what she overcame in spite of evil men trying to keep her behind.

Scrutinizing men for a woman's choices would undermine the idea that men are garbage without women, and women are better off without men.
That men need women to be good, but women are inherently good by themselves.

So when a woman supports a man making bad choices, something's wrong with her, scrutinize her, he's being a guy, she's the anomaly.

When a man supports a woman making bad choices, he's just stupid and probably getting sex or something, no need to scrutinize, he doesn't influence her decisions, because women don't need men and are generally smart enough to overcome a mans influence, so her bad choices have nothing to do with him, only she should be scrutinized, her and her bad choices are the anomaly.

Maybe that's what you're seeing.

no, ANY Scrutiny should not be fair game , RELEVANT scrutiny should

No real difference.
Scrutiny is scrutiny.
You put someone under scrutiny you're looking at everything you can because you don't know how everything fits together...that's why something is scrutinized, to try and figure out what's going on because it doesn't seem right for some reason.

Any scrutiny is fair game.
Otherwise you'd have things like "Okay, Petraeus, we think there is a classified info leak. But we're only going to scrutinize your computer...we're not going to scrutinize your activities, or life, or sex life or any partners at all, any links we will ignore and not put under scrutiny, because your sex life and who you're banging isn't relevant. Only classified info leaking, and that info was on your computer, so your computer is the only thing deserving relevant scrutiny."

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Sun 10/02/16 03:06 PM
As I thoroughly demonstrate in my first post, Bill Clinton is indeed guilty of perjury despite the fact that the U.S. Senate didn't convict him of the impeachment charges.

Being that Bill Clinton later admitted to being guilty, it is nonsense to go around saying that he is not guilty.

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Sun 10/02/16 03:30 PM




President Bill Clinton ... Not Guilty !














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Sun 10/02/16 03:46 PM
As I said before . . .

Being that Bill Clinton later admitted to being guilty, it is nonsense to go around saying that he is not guilty.

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Sun 10/02/16 04:04 PM
Edited by mysticalview21 on Sun 10/02/16 04:05 PM
Was Bill Clinton Impeached ... Yes...
was he found guilty or innocent...
found innocent... not guilty on the impeachment charges ...
what came later ...where the other charges ...
was he thrown out of office by being impeached ...
I would say know... Impeach is a word given...
to throw some one out of office for their wrong doing ...
did that happen ... which I could have missed that part ...
or was his Presidency over in January anyway...
and stay till the nxt president came in...


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Sun 10/02/16 04:12 PM
mysticalview21, are you denying that Bill Clinton later admitted that he was guilty of lying under oath?

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Sun 10/02/16 04:23 PM
Edited by mysticalview21 on Sun 10/02/16 04:25 PM

mysticalview21, are you denying that Bill Clinton later admitted that he was guilty of lying under oath?



know but did those words Impeach him and was he thrown out of office...
becouse of ... being impeached...

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Sun 10/02/16 04:30 PM
mysticalview21, you started this thread by declaring Bill Clinton not guilty of perjury.

Did the U.S. Senate convict him? No.

Did he commit perjury? Yes.
He admitted that he did, and he paid a financial penalty after confessing.

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Sun 10/02/16 04:59 PM

mysticalview21, you started this thread by declaring Bill Clinton not guilty of perjury.

Did the U.S. Senate convict him? No.

Did he commit perjury? Yes.
He admitted that he did, and he paid a financial penalty after confessing.





I thought I started this post ... he was Impeached but found not guilty of that ... I am not arguing with you about what he really did ... but say a president was Impeached ... and found later not guilty ... that Impeachment might as well have been off the books ... being he was innocent of the Impeachment... is all I am trying to say ... but it was use to open the can of worms ... but he was never thrown out of office from that impeachment ...

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Sun 10/02/16 05:06 PM

As I said before . . .

Being that Bill Clinton later admitted to being guilty, it is nonsense to go around saying that he is not guilty.


and being that he is not running, its nonsense to go around trying to use it to somehow discredit hilary



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Sun 10/02/16 05:12 PM


As I said before . . .

Being that Bill Clinton later admitted to being guilty, it is nonsense to go around saying that he is not guilty.


and being that he is not running, its nonsense to go around trying to use it to somehow discredit hilary


That I agree with.

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Sun 10/02/16 05:15 PM
ciretom

adults make decisions regardless of who 'supports' them or not,,because two people are a couple doesnt mean they each have 'supported' all decisions the other made

geraldine ferraro was run through the same ridiculous ringer because her husband stayed on the same BLOCK as some mobster when he was a BOY (when he would have played no part in the choice)


and I am seeing double standards, and calling them out,, like I usually do
when I have asked why men are treated as monsters for even touching women and women are let slide when they spit on and full on beat up on a man or when I have asked why a human life, created by male and female, can be terminated i the womb with no say from the male,,,


double standards such as these suck,, this is no exception and is even more troubling because it is so obviously accepted in the PROFESSIONAL world as demonstrated in the debate

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Sun 10/02/16 05:29 PM
Let's cut to the chase shall we?


No, that's not the chase that I meant. :angel:

Bill Clinton confessed that he had lied under oath. So, he is guilty of that.
Thus, starting this thread was non sequitur.

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Sun 10/02/16 05:37 PM
Edited by mysticalview21 on Sun 10/02/16 06:01 PM
all points of view taken ... and very good also :>)

and looking forward to their challenges now... in political land ...
that was said which mine was hear say ...
& by just looking up the definition of impeachment ...
when I heard it ... to ck it out was he or
wasn't he guilty of just that...



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Tue 10/04/16 08:20 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Tue 10/04/16 08:27 AM

Bill Clinton’s airport run-in with Loretta Lynch was no accident

Bill Clinton’s private jet was cleared for takeoff and was taxiing toward the active runway at Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport when a Secret Service agent informed him that Attorney General Loretta Lynch’s plane was coming in for a landing.

“Don’t take off!” Bill barked.

As his plane skidded to a halt and then headed back to its parking space, Bill grabbed a phone and called an old friend — one of his most trusted legal advisers.

It was June 27, 2016 — one year into the FBI investigation of Hillary Clinton’s emails.

“Bill said, ‘I want to bushwhack Loretta,’ ” the adviser recalled. “ ‘I’m going to board her plane. What do you think?’ And I said, ‘There’s no downside for you, but she’s going to take a pounding if she’s crazy enough to let you on her plane.’

“He knew it would be a huge embarrassment to Loretta when people found out that she had talked to the husband of a woman — the presumptive nominee of the Democratic Party — who was under criminal investigation by the FBI,” the adviser continued. “But he didn’t give a damn. He wanted to intimidate Loretta and discredit [FBI Director James] Comey’s investigation of Hillary’s emails, which was giving Hillary’s campaign agita.”

Bill hung up the phone and turned to a Secret Service agent.

“As soon as her plane lands,” he said, “get the attorney general on the phone and say the president would like to have a word with her.”

Once inside Lynch’s plane, Bill turned on the Clinton charm. He gave Lynch’s shoulder an affectionate squeeze and shook hands with her husband, Stephen Hargove.

“Bill said he could tell that Loretta knew from the get-go that she’d made a huge mistake,” his adviser said. “She was literally trembling, shaking with nervousness. Her husband tried to comfort her; he kept patting her hand and rubbing her back.

“Bill made small talk about golf and grandchildren and [former Attorney General] Janet Reno, and he kept at it for nearly a half-hour. It didn’t make any difference what they talked about; all he wanted to do was send a message to everyone at Justice and the FBI that Hillary had the full weight of the Clinton machine, the Democratic Party, and the White House behind her.

“It was clearly tortuous for Loretta. Bill told me later that he noticed there were beads of sweat on her upper lip.”

One week later, Barack Obama invited Hillary to fly with him to North Carolina for a campaign rally. He wouldn’t have let her use two of the greatest symbols of presidential power — Air Force One and the podium with the Seal of the President of the United States — if he thought there was even the slightest chance she was going to be indicted. But Attorney General Lynch had privately assured him that she wouldn’t let that happen, and that the fix was in.

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Book details how Team Obama schemed to let Hillary skate

http://nypost.com/2016/10/03/book-details-how-team-obama-schemed-to-let-hillary-skate/

Book details how Team Obama schemed to let Hillary skate

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Tue 10/04/16 08:22 AM







I think its absolutely ridiculous women are held accountable for their husbands choices anyway,,,,

never see this scrutiny with men about their wives choices,,,,its pretty preposterous


why? he was a liar and a cheat, how is that different from hillary?



its preposterous because MEN dont get scrutinized or held accountable based on their wives past choices

the way that WOMEN are regarding their husbands choices





why is it ALWAYS about someone else with liberals? are the libs just not happy with anything?



ask Trump,, who answers so many questionsabout what he would do with 'why havent you?'

or who continues to ask questions about Bill Clinton
wth does Trump have to do with this post?



Trump is the one now spouting out about going into the presidency all clean and holy likelaugh Bill Clinton was cleared of the wrong doings ... just as Hilary has been clears of all of the charges with her emails and Benghazi... and believe me I understand politicians wrong doings ...but Trump may call himself a business man ... but he and his family are not very clean either ... and go to the republicans and ask them about voters fraud... they have lists they send to each other states with names to be use and copied for votes using names that are not legit... and use 3 or 4 times if not more to vote... and they just leaked out Trumps taxes that where not paid ... true or not have know clue yet ... but Clinton was cleared in the Impeachment charges ... whether he chose to pay & admit after his presidency or not... I just know how difficult having to vote this year is ... but Trump has so many things I do not like and few is raciest and does not want people from other country to be allowed in the untied states and build the wall ... come on ... he has taken $ from the leader of the KKK ... that to me is very raciest ... and the way he treats women ... know thank you ... he calls Hilary a puppet... he will have know legs to stand on if elected ...



again, what does trump have to do with this post? and, billy boy wasn't cleared, he was let off... dems help each other out

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Tue 10/04/16 08:47 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Tue 10/04/16 08:56 AM







I think its absolutely ridiculous women are held accountable for their husbands choices anyway,,,,

never see this scrutiny with men about their wives choices,,,,its pretty preposterous


why? he was a liar and a cheat, how is that different from hillary?



its preposterous because MEN dont get scrutinized or held accountable based on their wives past choices

the way that WOMEN are regarding their husbands choices





why is it ALWAYS about someone else with liberals? are the libs just not happy with anything?



ask Trump,, who answers so many questionsabout what he would do with 'why havent you?'

or who continues to ask questions about Bill Clinton
wth does Trump have to do with this post?



Trump is the one now spouting out about going into the presidency all clean and holy likelaugh Bill Clinton was cleared of the wrong doings ... just as Hilary has been clears of all of the charges with her emails and Benghazi... and believe me I understand politicians wrong doings ...but Trump may call himself a business man ... but he and his family are not very clean either ... and go to the republicans and ask them about voters fraud... they have lists they send to each other states with names to be use and copied for votes using names that are not legit... and use 3 or 4 times if not more to vote... and they just leaked out Trumps taxes that where not paid ... true or not have know clue yet ... but Clinton was cleared in the Impeachment charges ... whether he chose to pay & admit after his presidency or not... I just know how difficult having to vote this year is ... but Trump has so many things I do not like and few is raciest and does not want people from other country to be allowed in the untied states and build the wall ... come on ... he has taken $ from the leader of the KKK ... that to me is very raciest ... and the way he treats women ... know thank you ... he calls Hilary a puppet... he will have know legs to stand on if elected ...



OMG! noway slaphead You actually believe any of this swill you just barfed up? slaphead noway

Bill was impeached by the house with overwhelming evidence and a self admitted statement of guilt, but a democratic congress would not indict.

Hitlery sang the praises of senator Byrd, welcomed his support and guidance, called him her mentor and a great statesman..... while he was a grand wizard and recruiter for the KKK!

It was also Bill Clinton who declared black youth "super predetors" when implementing his crime bill that has caused so many problems in the justice system for blacks to date!

He is also the creator of NAFTA which has caused the decline and departure of jobs and whole businesses in America for so many yet today.... and Hitlery has said she would put him in charge or reviving the economy if elected. It was NOT Bill's policies that improved the economy during his time in office. His policies were "rewritten" before implementation by a congress that actually worked at the time. He had little to do with any actual success in that area.

Trump also took a HUGE hit on his taxes some years back which allowed him to claim exemptions for many years going forward. It's not that he didn't pay taxes, he had MILLIONS owed him which he claimed for exemption over following years.

Need I go on? It's best to know your facts before you accuse or condemn.... or praise and support! It would seem tho that facts don't matter so much when your gospel is preached from the mouth of a proven liar (Hitlery) and her campaign (proven crooked in their actions and bias against Bernie throughout the primaries.... which cost several, including Wasserman Shultz, their jobs. But no worries, Hitlery was quick to hire the deceiver and liar to her own staff!)


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Tue 10/04/16 12:54 PM
Byrd had left the KKK by the time Hilary was even born,, I Doubt she was calling him her mentor during that time


it is easy to respect someone who has EVOLVED over their years and became wiser


I am not Trumps accountant, so Im unsure where people get their FACTS about his financial losses and the reasons for them

but aside from all the negative guilt by association that the public loves,,,

,,,,,,,what else would people talk about?


what the candidates have actually done RIGHT in their lives? no

whether the candidates have even TRIED to be a service to their country and/or community? no






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Tue 10/04/16 02:17 PM
Edited by RebelArcher on Tue 10/04/16 02:20 PM
it is easy to respect someone who has EVOLVED over their years and became wiser
When has Hillary started 'evolving'? Evidently just a few months ago because she was sure lying her azz off then....

""During a back-and-forth between Rep. Trey Gowdy and James Comey on Thursday, the FBI director confirmed that Hillary Clinton lied multiple times about her email and server use.

During a hearing in front of the House Oversight Committee Gowdy questioned Comey saying, “Secretary Clinton said she never sent or received any classified information over her private email. Was that true?”
“Our investigation found that there was classified information” discovered,” Comey replied.
Secretary Clinton said, I did not email any classified material to anyone on my email. There is no classified material,” Gowdy said. “Was that was true?”

“There was classified material emailed,” Comey responded.

“Secretary Clinton said she used just one device,” Gowdy said. “Was that true?

According to Comey, Clinton “used multiple devices during the four years of her term as secretary of state.”

“Secretary Clinton said all work-related emails were returned to the State Department,” Gowdy said. “Was that true?”

“No. We found work-related emails, thousands that were not returned,” Comey said.

“Secretary Clinton said neither she nor anyone else deleted work-related emails from her personal account,” Gowdy said. “Was that true?”

“That’s a harder one to answer,” Comey answered. “We found traces of work-related emails on devices or in slack space. Whether they were deleted or a server was changed out something happened to them. There’s no doubt that the work-related emails that were removed electronically from the email system.”

“Secretary Clinton said her lawyers read every one of the emails and were overly inclusive,” Gowdy said. “Did her lawyers read the email content individually?”

“No,” Comey replied.""
http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/07/comey-confirms-hillary-clinton-lied-to-the-public-about-her-emails-video/





.....ohhhhhhh my bad, you meant she has EVOLVED into a more prolific liar.... gotcha, agreed drinker

and being that he is not running, its nonsense to go around trying to use it to somehow discredit hilary
What's nonsense is thinking a former president who admitted to lying under oath and gonna hopefully be a part of his spouses administration in ANY capacity, shouldnt be under scrutiny.
Even more nonsensical is thinking that the spouse shouldn't be scrutinized for wanting to put her admitted lying azz husband in her administration.
Hmm...husband lies, wife lies.....they should should bring back All In The Family with Bill as Archie and Hillary as Edith...and both could swap off playing Meathead.


Word of warning folks....head for your storm shelters....I forecast an EF-5 level of tornadic spin incoming....




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Tue 10/04/16 03:34 PM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Tue 10/04/16 03:35 PM

Byrd had left the KKK by the time Hilary was even born,, I Doubt she was calling him her mentor during that time


it is easy to respect someone who has EVOLVED over their years and became wiser


I am not Trumps accountant, so Im unsure where people get their FACTS about his financial losses and the reasons for them

but aside from all the negative guilt by association that the public loves,,,

,,,,,,,what else would people talk about?


what the candidates have actually done RIGHT in their lives? no

whether the candidates have even TRIED to be a service to their country and/or community? no



Hillary Clinton calls former KKK Leader, Robert Byrd, her 'mentor and friend'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdIT24e6dvY

Guess you should get your facts in order huh?