what are you thoughts on bill gaede he has some interesting videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1UPkjRIKYo

My theory on black holes.. if a massive Planet collapses in on itself... the resulting dense matter begins to stretch.. or fall through the universe.. pulling the dark matter in with it as it goes... think of it like stretching a bedsheet out.. over a hole in the floor and then dropping a bowling ball on the sheet directly above the hole as the ball Falls it pulls the sheet down with it.. the bowling ball represents the dense matter and the sheet represents the universe dark matter..
How far and how long the Dense matter will fall I don't know..lol

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If the only things you can believe in are the things you can see then you can't believe in Black Holes. Then again, you can't believe in many things like sound, love and light (you don't actually see light you see the reflection of the spectrum of light).

If you understand physics related to light, mass and gravity then you can understand a Black Hole and how they can exist.

A Black Hole forms when a star with a certain mass and above collapses in on itself thru gravity. Supernova, super-massive supernovas and stellar collisions cause Black Holes. Planets are not massive enough to create a Black Hole.

A Black Hole is gravity that has gone to the extreme. To the point that not even the particles in photons can escape its influence. If light can't escape it cannot reflect, thus Black. Light goes in but cannot come back out because gravity keeps it there.

Black Holes are not sheets being drawn into a hole to a destination. Black holes are matter that has so much mass it compresses to a point in space. Black holes have at their centers what is called a singularity. A particle of matter so dense its gravity continuously draws in nearby masses, all nearby masses, including light.

Think of it as a ping pong ball hovering in space in front of you. It is a sphere of influence not a funnel. Gravity is like arrows pointing in on the ball from all directions at once. As the gravity/mass increases the ball gets smaller and smaller until you can no longer see it. You only know it is there because it is trying to pull you down onto its mass.

We detect Black Holes by looking at their influence over the matter near them. Energy does emit from Black Holes. High frequency energy waves have been detected in the High Gamma range.

Reality doesn't care if you believe in it or not, it just is...

are you sure have you ever stuck your head inside of a black hole and took a look..lol.wink. yes not a planet..lol

The only fact with black holes is that we know that there is something at the center of every galaxy with a huge gravitational presence... Everything else is just a guess other than that...

"Black hole" was coined in the thirties, when had virtually no knowledge, and the name stuck because there was nothing better to call them.. . Tom was mostly right, not planets, but collapsed stars, but they all started out as planets first...

... well I didn't want to rub it in his face.lol0..jk

Which all started out as gas/dust clouds.

~ wiki

Interesting video on Star Size Comparisons
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoW8Tf7hTGA

Interesting video on Black Hole Comparisons
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgNDao7m41M

Ok..but.. that's to say everything has a fixed point in space and the universe..
Our Sun's gravity Keeps Us in in its Orbit
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Something with the mass I would think that were talking about would defy gravity..I'm just throwing darts at the wall hear mind you

nothing has a fixed point in the universe... Everything is always moving...kind of a rule of thumb-the more mass, the bigger gravity

yes and no of course everything in the universe is moving giving over to expansion.. but I'm just saying with the type of mass you have with a black hole.. you would think it would create its own gravity.. the gravity well around it I suppose... some would have you believe it's just this tiny little speck of dense matter
. An example a circle with a dot in the center of it that's the dense matter everything outside of the circle is not within its gravitational Outreach... anything that comes within the circle gets pulled into its grasp.. but where does that light or anything else go..then... I believe the dense matter stretches space dark matter.. like my example in my earlier post dropping a bowling ball.. onto a stretched-out . Sheet that has a hole underneath it.. like a funnel.. and as a matter pulls on the fabric of dark matter.. it brings time and space close together... I don't know the dog just barked and I can keep my train of thought

your reply makes me wonder.... We, our sun, are about 27,000 light years away from the black hole in the milky way galaxy... Is our sun being held in orbit by the black hole, or by the 400 billion other stars in the galaxy?

Well that seems to be the underlying rule to the universe gravity and the pull it has on everything that's why all planets are circular they're always being pulled at an even Pace all around them.... now if you could find some way to keep an object stationary in space not have it move it all then whichever side it is pulled on the most from Gravity.. will give you the answer..
But the creators of the universe already thought of that.. that's why even galaxies are in constant motion so there's really no way to ever find out where the center of gravity originates from... figure that out and you figured out the meaning of everything

But that experiment doesn't work either because there's always other sources of gravity affecting.. your control....hmmmm.. but never last if the Siri is sound if you could just remove everything else from the universe

Well yes and no I don't think the mass is strong enough to hold.. or perhaps it is ,but if it's that strong that would mean it would fall in under its own weight collapsing Dark Matter around it.. which even makes me think that the funnel or the gravitational well... makes even more sense.. I think it's really! just falling through space like a car racing down a freeway.. as it passes by galaxies are different points in time it has an effect a gravitational effect.. but would something with that much mass stay stationary.. how much weight can Dark Matter support is a question before it collapses in on itself

that's why I think all motions in the universe has a fluidic base to its qualities

.hmmm.. how much weight can Dark Matter hold before it gives in..
And when it does do you simply break through it. And then where do you go

Or does it just become elastic.. like a piece of chewing gum that you pull from your mouth well still holding on to it.. with your teeth.. but instead of your fingers the dark matter is inside the end of the bubble gum stretching it

I don't really buy into the dark matter theory just yet... Everything they know about it is just mathematics, nothing else... Math tells them the stars are moving faster than they should, and came up with dark matter to explain it... Just a fantasy so far

Yes.. after all we are just cavemen banging at the dirt with are sticks..
Hoping that something sticks..lol
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A black hole does have something in its center. That something is tiny in size compared to the mass it has. It is a dot in the center of a sphere not a destination at the end of a tunnel.

Graphics depicted to show gravity show only one plane of the effects of gravity.



In reality it is the same effect on any approach to the source. Therefore it affects matter in any direction. Top, bottom, sides and any angle you can imagine.



The matter doesn't go into the black hole, it falls onto it. As the mass increases, gravity shrinks the mass to smaller and smaller sizes. When it reaches singularity it is believed to exit this dimension. No matter which dimension it is in, if it is still a black hole, it has mass and exerts gravitational influence on matter that enters it's event horizon. The event horizon is not a circle it is also a sphere. Graphics depict it as a circle because showing it in 3d is not needed.



When the graphics depict a funnel shape from event horizon to the singularity it is trying to show you that the gravitational pull is centering the incoming mass to the singularity.
The effect of this is called spaghettification. Coined by Stephen Hawkings. It means that a mass being pulled onto a black hole diminishes into an atom wide stream as it gets closer to the gravity source. That reduction in width resembles a funnel. Your bowling ball breaks apart to the size of a base ball, then a ping pong ball then a pebble and so on until it reduces to a single atom stream. As this happens it creates heat. So not only is your ball being pulled apart it is heating up.



Gravitational waves have now been proven to exist in the Universe. That means that all mass exerts gravitational effects on all other mass. Earth's orbit is in place as it is not only because of the Sun but because of all other matter as well. Including dust and gasses. It is the other matter and the speed of its orbit that reduces the orbital decay.



The entire Universe is moving. The Sun moves up and down as it circles the Milky Way and the Milky Way parabolic movement coincides with its neighboring dwarf galaxies. Andromeda Galaxy is larger than the Milky Way. They will collide eventually because both are moving towards one another.



The Milky Way has a super-massive Black Hole in its center. The singularity in its center is less than an atom in size but it's sphere of influence is what is massive because it has massive mass.



As mass comes together it starts to form a ball and it doesn't come together all at once. The ball starts to spin from the lopsided buildup of mass. That causes mass in its range of influence to circle it in an orbit. As the object collects more and more mass its gravity increases and orbits decay unless another speed, mass or group of masses influence the decaying orbit.

The reason the Moon is not decaying its orbit onto the Earth is because when it was formed the impact sent it into an orbit that has higher velocity than the mass of the Earth can influence. Its spinning around us too fast. If the Moon were slowed down, it would reach a point where the mass of the Earth would decay its orbit and it would eventually impact the Earth. It is why satellites fall back to Earth if the orbit is not maintained, its not the distance its the speed/mass ratio.

Dark Matter is a term coined to allow focus to the theory of another force influencing the movement of the Universe. When/If we ever figure out what that influence is, a different term will be used, its a placeholder. Like Dark Energy. A Black Hole is a placeholder as well. It is not a hole and is not black. It is empty and since there is no information to be seen we call it black. Science knows it is a singularity. It is called a singularity but the popular term that caught on with the public is Black Hole.

Black holes are super hot. If they are viewed in the Gamma, they appear white. They appear to be holes because matter disappears after it reaches the event horizon. That is because the light can't escape to travel back to the instrument being used to observe it. Black Holes can be observed using gamma detection.