For thousands of years men have poured out there hearts to women. Men would write poetry, sing to them, always polite to them, any jester to show ones affection. But in the last century that has all changed. With the rise of technology there has been the destruction of common decency. Sex is everywhere in our society which has become common to us numbing our minds. The effect of giving into ones carnal nature has cause the escalation or loss of chivalry and romance in general, because we live in a society that is focused on "ME". Here is an example, if a man took a female out opened doors for her, brought her flowers, was just generally very nice and polite, walks her home on the first date he would get the nice guy flag. No guy wants that flag ever. But if a man took her out for drinks and went back to her place to roll in the sack she would be more likely to keep him. Courting to win a woman's heart really doesn't exsist any more. There's no romance in that. Any thoughts?

No.
It's just been adapted.
Like everything else.


It's all just a mating ritual.
It never changes.
Men try to differentiate themselves to be seen as the greatest mating choice to the most desirable female that's perceived to be realistically available and willing.

I dunno...maybe. Of course women today are a LOT shallower and more superficial these days than they ever were in the last thousand or so years. I don't know...you'd think the "nice guy" would stand a better chance than a cantankerous a-hole who comes home drunker than a sailor every night and shows no gratitude for the beauty that Nature has given him. The women, the "pretty" ones anyway, pretty much ignore you if you are deficient in even one quality, and it does not have to be a major flaw either. Something like losing a job and not being able to find another one or not having the luxury of a college education. Twenty or thirty years ago these things didn't automatically doom a man from the outset in the dating scene. Now, if you don't have a job or degrees, you pretty much WILL NOT get a "pretty girl" to even think about looking at you, much less actually doing it. Some blame Feminism and the so-called "womens' rights" movement. I'm not totally sure if that's really all to blame or not. I'm not an expert on that. But, I concede that you could well be correct in your assessment.

I contend that some kind of way women today have gotten the idea that it's okay to judge a man's social and economic status before his character. I don't know how or where, but many women today are extremely judgmental of men and for all the wrong reasons. And that's wrong and it needs to be changed somehow or Homo Sapiens will be made extinct from failure to mate.

eh, who cares... they got equal rights, let them open my door for once...

You forget buying a night out would nice too . My x in 20yrs never once did that .

Chivalry and romance arent dead at all. It depends on the man. If he is willing to exert effort in courting a woman, he can do so.
Even if most people sleep together on the first date, it doesnt mean that all people do the same.
As a matter of fact, I have never received flowers from other men except my male students. Lol.
Anyways, I like yellow tulips and bloody red roses.
It will count if you will send me a bouquet or two. Hahahaha JK
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it's about the current daily life pressure it self causes to my view people having no time back to the life it self deserve as past so what happen? these fact always conserns me about the desert and the dust.......

I have not been fortunate to find a romantic man who is balanced in overall temperament.

The ones I have met so far, have been insanely moody , or overly possesive jealous and suspicious, or horrible at financial management or other practical things, or they are not contented with one woman alone. Ofcourse this does not apply to all romantic men... Just the ones I have met

By the way, I have a feeling that SOME romantic men complain about about being rejected by women because of their romantic nature, when they are actually being rejected for their inclinations toward disturbing extremes or lack of practicality.

I also suspect that SOME romantic men are inclined to pursue materialistic women who use them, and then they end up accusing the female population at large for being mercenary, when in fact , they often CHOOSE that kind of woman.

As humans, being the higher species, we have the ability to think forward.. when I was searching for a mate, in my late 20's, as my biological timeclock was ticking, it was indeed the thought of 'how is this guy going to provide for our children'? ; 'what vision of a future together does he see? (and how does it coincide with mine)?
There is nothing wrong with looking out for yourself so you have a safe and hopefully prosperous future with whomever is chosen... I don't know that it is 'judging', but a comparison of values and what we could live with.
I hope chivalry isn't dead. It is a special feeling to be 'wooed'... and it should work both ways ...

let me tell ya something punkin pie...survival of the fittest

especially young women

whether they know it or not

are often attracted to the males that
stand the best chance of procreating strong and vibrant young

and who can stick around and protect, provide for them


what do you bring to the table?


instead of making broad sweeping generalizations about an entire gender


I suggest you look in the mirror sporto
and up your game

Built for a different time. No these types are not dead. But the old boy is barely breathing. Maybe social media is the cause, imo. I notice a lot of the younger guys are no longer tempering or baptizing themselves by fire any more. I think because they are talking to women thru a device first, that might be why they aren't very romantic or even aware of the word chivalry. Us old farts had to work to get the attention of that special lady. Then we had to get advice from friends. They we had to try this out at the bars. Sometimes there was a crash and burn. But as time went on you took the good, left out the bad. Romance and Chivalry dead? nope.
Just have to put your phone down, be a man, and get some actual face time with a lady and work the science! My sons were taught open a car for a lady. Always pick up the check, seriously? Yes, dont be a *****. Wait till the lady speaks, before saying anything. NEVER hit a lady. Realize that that special lady is a gift, do not take her for granted. These are the basics. Now get out of here, and baptize yourself by fire. You could start by punching yourself in the face real hard, Especially you 20-30 year olds.

1) Women are now more capable of dictating their own future than they ever used to be.

2) Most women want the 'bad boy' for fun and the 'nice guy' for nesting. But it has been this way since the beginning of time, and it also has a lot to do with a woman's role in society.

3) There's a reason women are more likely to get pregnant from a lover rather than her significant other. In fact, men and women are both designed to favor the 'cheater's' sperm over the long-term partner's sperm. There's a very good reason for that.

Just about everything our bodies are designed to want/like/etc is to further our species, selecting the best genes with the best traits.

Being a 'nice guy' is similar to being submissive to women. While women would prefer a man who is willing to give in for the purposes of 'nesting', they also become more aroused by the guys that don't care about them, show confidence, and are capable of 'securing' a sexual partner.

The better the genes, the more likely they are to be spread.

All I can say is to stop being a nice guy, stop viewing women as mythical creatures, stop viewing women as fragile princesses, and you're more likely to find a mate.

It's weird, but women are technically designed to seek someone they believe will protect them and their offspring, and that typically means getting with the A-hole. It's all about furthering our species and mating with the best genes.

I can see where your coming from. But on the same note, it's seems the more of an a-hole I am the more the more women are attracted to me. Then as the relationship progresses they want you to be more romantic and complain about him not being romantic enough. At that point I have already been to the promised land and then it becomes like I am trying to hard. Shouldn't you just start that way, let a romantic relationship blossom instead of starting carnal and ending romantic?

My game it tight. I am the Alpha.I am generalizing not because of where I stand but am curious where people stand on the issue. I have become bored with dating because it always ends the same way. I take you out, we have a good time, roll in the sack, then I really don't want to talk to them anymore how boring dating had become.

It is because we want the best of both worlds..
does it matter if it starts out carnal or romantic? as long as over the long haul, you can bond..

You can bond with anyone. At least I do I guess for me I have become bored.

Ys as u say is correct all do as a first date like that but very few know the feelings of girl exactly what she wants she wants love more then sex...... sex is a part of love......

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its cultural,, American culture is everyone is 'equal' with no roles or expectations except the freedom of whatever we want to do


there are still cultures though where chivalry and male and female expectations have the slight differences that are now so unpopular to encourage or promote